You cannot always use Chritianity/Islam as a pretext.
The current status is:
Kerala - Gulf? Tamilnadu - No Comments Andhra Pradesh - Telangana movement Karnataka - Ask Tamilnadu Orissa - I don't know. Bihar,UP - Do you know they have sophisticated weapons than Indian Army Bengal - No comments. Chinese will listen. Seven sister states - Instant death if you are non-assamese. Punjab - Khalistan. First round was a draw. Kashmir - Kidding right? Rajasthan - You are "paradesi" from them. Maharastra - Ask Bihar. Madhya Pradesh - I don't know.
RE:Sooner or later Hinduism will disintegrate India again.
by Razzaq ahmed on Apr 09, 2007 08:21 PM
Moorakh prani, there are always some disputes in the country. In which country they are not. Think of your Pakistan, vahaan pe nahin hai kya. Now listen the status of World Pak-everyone knows Afghan-everyone knows Palestine-everyone knows US-everyone knows Britain-everyone knows Iran-everyone knows Iraq-everyone knows and so on..... Now tell, who is evil in the world???? If you dont wanna believe and understand, then its ur wish but truth is truth and everyone knows.
RE:Sooner or later Hinduism will disintegrate India again.
by Aravind on Apr 10, 2007 02:21 PM
Mr M, Who are you? Are you the moderator? You must be a typical vatican chamcha to disable the "report Abuse" button and always proclaim that Hinduism is the root cause of all evil in India. Listen M. Be open and let the "Report Abuse" be open for all. 95% of India will "Report Abbuse" your comments.
RE:RE:Sooner or later Hinduism will disintegrate India again.
by Mars on Apr 10, 2007 03:49 AM
Wah kya baat hai, razzaq bhai...fitting reply...wah wah....
bindravale never asked forcalled khalistan. he use to tell if goverment is giving them khalistan he is ready to take it. he was asking about promise which ghandi and nehru had given to sikh during fight with britishs.73%people from punjab had given for freedom nehru told in his promise that whole north will be given to punjab
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by linux linux on Apr 09, 2007 08:27 PM
The notion that only 73% sacrificed is ridculous. India did not win freedom because of Sikhs. And even if they did why should it be an excuse to indulge in ethnic cleansing.
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by V S on Apr 10, 2007 10:47 AM
I do not know if sikhs ever killed hindus but in 1984 I do know who killed whom ..so ehtnic cleansing..hmmm I wonder who is guilty here.
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by gurmeet sandhu on Apr 09, 2007 08:47 PM
Sikhs are proud to be india and we donot need to prove it on stats whole india knows it. But yes bhindranwaleje was a true hero who fought for justice and truth. he stood by what was true.
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by Harinder Singh on Apr 11, 2007 10:56 PM
You are wrong Sonia ?
Bhindrenwala Sikhs are the pride of Canada , USA , UK , Australia and New Zeland and are marching at the frontiers of Mankind hand in hand with visionaries of world.
It is the Juvenile Indian and it Overdrive and narrow method of defining India ( hinduvata ) in a funny way by some Moron from Maharashtra in 19 century.
India has unknowingly transplanted it Gems of sons who have guarded it and spiritually nourished it since the inception of Hinduism. To distant land which is always on the look out of genome.
1984 was nothing but the transplantation of this Genome from the Indian Nursery to the Global Garden.
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by yadav on Apr 12, 2007 01:09 AM
I dont know about UK,AUS, NZ but sikhs in USA are afraid of going out in some areas in US. There were lot of racial attacks on sikhs in US after 9/11 as people are confused with their look similar to taliban. So keep ur pride in ur ass Harinder. what the heck Bindrenwala sikh..? If any body tries to raise khalistan in India they will be sent to khabaristan. U for got how the blody khalistanis were crushed in 80s.
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by Harinder Singh on Apr 13, 2007 12:18 AM
If any body tries to raise khalistan in India they will be sent to khabaristan ( quote )
Dear brother yadav
Which India are u talking of
Maoist India Islamic India Evangelist India
You seem to be in aggresive mood ( but no one is scared )
Sikhs are not terrorist and rather the words are opposite of each other.
We are the only religion in world who prays for the welfare of all mankind daily in our prayers.
" NANAK NAM CHADI KALA TERE BANA SARVAT THA BHALLA "
Especially the interest of Hindus is the closest to our heart inspite the quarrels of 80 's.
Osamas men are not shining they are rather being hunted .
Sikhs in contrast are getting warm welcome around the globe by all community .
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by Golu Gayani on Apr 10, 2007 12:05 AM
Soniaji, I agree with you cent percent. Normally I never thought you are so intelligent, but definitely your view makes sense. A hero can never opt for killing and murder. So we as Humans must know the difference between the Human and brute. A beast can never be a human.
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by Vishnu Sharma on Apr 09, 2007 09:48 PM
Arrey Bhai. If Punjabis in India start behaving like Punjabis in Pakistan then where will we all go ? Please ! Certainly, Sikhs fought valiantly for India's freedom from 1900 to 1947. So Sikhs have got the state of Punjab in India which is prosperous. Please remember that Punjabis are Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims. (The 1857 mutiny was crushed partly because Sikhs threw their weight with the British East India Company) It is true Sikhs suffered the most during Partition. But we can re-address that if Pakistani Punjab becomes part of India. Also, why would any one want to shut himself into a corner when whole of India is like a canvas where he can project his ideas. Good Ideas = fame honest money. And Sikhs have plenty of good ideas. Let us all want to be part of the big-Apple that is India instead of going of on our own and sitting and sulking in a corner. This is what Pakistanis,Bangladeshis,Nepalis and Sri-Lankans have done.
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by Harinder Singh on Apr 09, 2007 10:57 PM
(The 1857 mutiny was crushed partly because Sikhs threw their weight with the British East India Company)( quote )
HALF TRUTH VISHNUJI
Do you know the reason why PUNJABIS DID IT
(SIKHS THEN WERE PART AND PARCEL OF HINDU COMMUNITY )
It was a sweet TIT for TAT by Punjabis against non Punjabis for attacking there kingdom as lot of forces from the plains and Benagal joined the britishers in ther attack.
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by No Returns on Apr 09, 2007 08:44 PM
World is uniting and you want this? Shame on you. Tusi Sikhon ko barbaad karne par tule ho?
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by blue wrox on Apr 09, 2007 07:58 PM
Yeah.The whole of india is ruled by a punjabi.What more do you want? 73% of punjabis wanted freedom,so did assamese,kashmiris,nagas,bengalis,meithies,travancore,etc etc.It was all kingdoms and they unified it by force and sometime by coercion.What do you want to do now? a national referendum???
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by Soumodeep Biswas on Apr 09, 2007 08:17 PM
eh shut up. What prove do you have. Patel went all over India and asked them to join India and they joined willingly. That's why all these people fought for India's freedom and not only for their states. I am Bengali and I always wanted to be a part of India and same case with others.
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by blue wrox on Apr 09, 2007 08:02 PM
nehru told that in secret to alamjits forefathers.I have not heard anything rediculous like this.Everybody wants a seperate country.Whether punjabi or tamilian or naga.I dont know how they would survive with states that are the sizes of peanuts.
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by realpresident on Apr 09, 2007 07:43 PM
Nehru promised to whom? u hav any docs r official declaration mentioning that? I've never heard Saheed Bhagat Singh was ever wiling for seperate SIKH State ?
RE:plz read histoy carefully dear...........................it hurts
by Avtar Khalsa on Apr 10, 2007 12:20 PM
nehru not promised so thts why jinna at the end took a 50% of punjab and created Pakistan and abt official docs and declaration....u sounds bozo ..do u think tht so called docs..must have changed the histiory of country and geo of asia..? "no" rite ....
This article is just bullshit. Ppl who know nothing about Sikhs, Bhindrawale and what happened in whole of Punjab during Operation Blue Star should avoid write on the subject.
RE:Dont write bullshit!!
by No Nonsense on Apr 09, 2007 06:45 PM
Operation Blue Star took place when perhaps you were not even born. Just by reading newspaper and internet blogs you halfwits think you know everything about the world, right?
RE:Dont write bullshit!!
by alamjit on Apr 09, 2007 06:58 PM
bro u dont known the truth v were not born but aur grand parents and parenys r there to tell truth to us
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by Harinder Singh on Apr 09, 2007 08:13 PM
kashmiri Hindus are the lost race of Indian subcontinent. They could not protect there state what will they look after India.
It is for Indian people to define how we define our self as a nation in 2007 to look for a bright future for our future generations.
In any case Pawns ( Indiara gandhi and Bhinder wala ) dont have choices they have to follow the Dikats of the occult forces.
RE:Dont write bullshit!!
by Guru on Apr 09, 2007 07:14 PM
yes , Alamjit , My grand parents told me that there was no other way for Ms Gandhi other than killing those ruthless terrorists.
RE:Dont write bullshit!!
by jeetu on Apr 10, 2007 04:13 AM
guru sahab, live in which state. because people punjab and mostly amritsar only know wat happened that week... as indian government removed all the communications and media from the state before the operation. this was the most under reported and controversial event in indian history. so check with people who went through it not ur own relatives living miles away from punjab. appriciated
RE:Dont write bullshit!!
by casper on Apr 10, 2007 04:30 AM
alamjit.. to your statment- "bro u dont known the truth v were not born but aur grand parents and parenys r there to tell truth to us" - too much faith even in your parents is not a good idea. they were also human beings and prone to biased opinions. in many cases words or "truth" passed by my parents might be different from your parents. if we both ardently believe what has been told to each of us, we are no different from fanatics. that's what madarassas do- start indoctrinating the future terrorists right from childhood. when it comes to them, you say, don't they have a brain of their own to see what they're being taught is wrong. well, if you believe your parents so strongly, you don't seem to have a brain of your own either.
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by H S on Apr 09, 2007 08:53 PM
will you plz let us know how closely do you know the situation. i will be very thankful to you sir. i am here not supporting Mr. Bhindranwala. just for your knowledge i was in my full concious and i had not read newspapers and blogs as i had personaly witnessed all in 84, 85-86 and 87.
RE:Dont write bullshit!!
by H S on Apr 09, 2007 08:51 PM
will you plz let us know how closely to know the situation. i will be very thankful to you sir. i am here not supporting Mr. Bhindranwala. just for your knowledge i was in my full concious and i had not read newspapers and blogs as i had personaly witnessed all in 84, 85-86 and 87.
RE:Dont write bullshit!!
by Rajiv Sundar on Apr 09, 2007 08:11 PM
B. Raman has the credentials and access to the most accurate information from those times. Can you say the same about yourself?
"B Raman served as additional secretary at the Research and Analysis Wing, India's external espionage agency, and headed the counter-terrorism division at RAW for more than a decade till his retirement in 1994."
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by jeetu on Apr 10, 2007 04:30 AM
mr sundar, mr b raman is a biased person towards the government. i have no doubts in his credentials and do respect it. but this doesn't mean that he will giving the right information and right attitude in his views and articles. hitler was also a highly credential person and so is osama bin laden. mr b raman needs to understand that he cant give just few government biased lines to explained a whole lot of era.
Please dont compare we indians with pakistanis. Indira gandhi was several times best leader than musharraf. Therefore, please rectify this article and please put rectified article on rediff. we as good rediff readers dont want to see such nuissancical articles. such articles comparing leaders and their situations are not worth reading. thankyou.
RE:please dont compare
by jeetu on Apr 09, 2007 06:13 PM
thanx for ur support man... but frankly speaking i dont mind comparisons but until and unless the facts are put right.. this article is based on wrong facts thats why it should be rectified or deleted with immidiate effect.
RE:please dont compare
by Gururaj S on Apr 09, 2007 07:35 PM
I feel sorry to read such dimwitted comments from the "readers" of rediff. Wonder whether they use the grey matter to any effect before writing the comments!
The article clearly talks of the situation in Pak and compares with what we Indians had to face in Punjab when Indira Gandhi was in power. It is no way any comparison of Indira vis a vis Musharraf.
RE:please dont compare
by jeetu on Apr 10, 2007 02:39 AM
the point of view put in front by this article to bring the situation of punjab in 1984 forward is one sided and biased. there is so much to behind these few lines mr b raman has written. so if one thing is wrong then u cant compare other thing with it. as it will make no sense.
i know u want to attract readers by dashing headings and all... but this article has no point... so please ... as a long and faithfull rediff reader i request you to remove this article immidiately... ur concerns will be obliged.... thanks in advnace
RE:hi rediff !!!! this is a humble request .... please remove this article
by Narayanan Sangameswaran on Apr 09, 2007 07:27 PM
Hi Jeetu: Can you tell me why you wanted this article removed? We would like to hear your side of the Punjab Issue that we never heard about. Could you pl. spend some time to refute Mr. Raman's theory?
This man know nothing about history and making senseless comments.Not clear in his mind waht to say with which to relate,without any knowledge of facts and figures.Hia articles can do nothing except one thing of maaking angry sikh commuinity again.
RE:B Raman
by linux linux on Apr 09, 2007 08:30 PM
What is it inhere that should make sikhs angry again?. It is the rest of the country which should be angry because the sikhs have not apologised for the ethnic cleansing they attempted. The terrorism was only stopped (unfortunately) when the sikhs found out, other people can retaliate too
I guess our benefit lies in a stable Pakistan or a totally disintegrated Pakistan. If an Islamic (Mullah and Moulvi run) Pakistan gets created then we would be in more trouble...
RE:A Stable Pakistan is better...
by yadav on Apr 09, 2007 08:36 PM
what will happen if a mulla takes over pakistan, that will be good for India, If that mulla dares to attack india, the whole world will be behind us. we can annex pok and solve all the problems with pakistan. Remember when ever india had war with pakistan some countries like US supported pakistan and forced India not to take strong action. If pakistan become like a taliban govt and attacks India, no body will oppose us in destroying it.
This is the resultant product of mixing religion and politics/ govt. It will be no surprise that every ruler in an islamic country will face a similar situtaion when there is a rift between him and the islamic cleric. These countries unfortunately have not learnt a lesson (paying only a lip service to a democratic institution)and asking for islamization of more and more countries in the world. We pity their instability & sectarian violence which is their own making...
RE:Resultant product...
by jeetu on Apr 09, 2007 05:26 PM
grow up please.... think about godhra and india before pointing on others... if u hav forgotten... watch the lattest movie parzania.. i watched it last night.. so.... jinke khud ke ghar sheeshe ke hon.. woh doosroon par pather nahi phenkte
RE:Resultant product...
by jeetu on Apr 09, 2007 05:36 PM
according to me wat do mean...... everybody knws wat happened their... nobody knws differently..
so ur question is wrong.. then also i will tell u wat happened.. innocent fathers losts their sons (hindu or muslims) brothers saw their inoocent sisters being raped (hindus or muslims) people lost their sources of living and it will take years for them to get to that financial status again.... as government help was limited... this list can go long ... if u still want more... go to godhra and see by ur own eyes and talk to people (hindus or muslims)
RE:Resultant product...
by jeetu on Apr 09, 2007 06:01 PM
so u want me to think as a hindu not a human..... pseudo secularist????? u are a joke man... u dont know the mean of pseudo secularist... neways... u need to analyse the pre-godhra incidents which were responsible for it... think as a neutral first.. and then go into religious view... wat was the role of hindu leaders?? wat was the role of modi government??? and wat were the incidents which resulted godhra???
RE:Resultant product...
by jeetu on Apr 09, 2007 06:34 PM
thanks i wanted to hear these things from you.. you have shown yourself very clearly..... i never said karsewaks did a crime.. u made it up urself.... and this is wat is in back of ur mind and things like these result in incidents like godhara and many more... please for god sake dont assume anything... by lookin at one side of the coin.. i am happy u have shown urself.. and please dont call me pseudo secularist as i m not. u have assumed this urself...not my problem neways. and btw u dont knw the meaning of pseudo secularist neways....
RE:Resultant product...
by Vasantgopal on Apr 10, 2007 02:55 AM
There are more hindus who have condemned GJ violence. So we do accept mistakes and are open enough to repent for it, just like 1984 too. But compare how the secularists flog only the hindus and are even willing to forgive Musshu for his role in kargil, Mumbai & Delhi blasts! It is not fair to repeatedly ask the hindus to prove their secularism. It is the responsibility of every community.
RE:RE:Resultant product...
by jeetu on Apr 10, 2007 04:07 AM
nobody is asking to prove hindus secularism, all i said in this post was to prove urself as a human being first and respect other as a human being
RE:Resultant product...
by jeetu on Apr 09, 2007 06:49 PM
mr katua chod... m off to work now.. so please look in dictionary.. the point is same and clear .. no diversions that u are not clear on godhara incident and are just following ur religious emotions and want others to be like u. thats why moderator has deleted all ur messages as my messages dont make any sense now alone....... anyways best of luck.
RE:Resultant product...
by H S on Apr 09, 2007 08:43 PM
Jettu i am in full suport of you. we should always think on nuteral grounds than make our mind. what happened in Godhara can not be justified. neither the roits nor the burning of train. we common people should understand the point that by doing such things no one will be benificiary. what happened in Punjab is a clear example of this. congress tried to contain SAD's political power by raising Mr. Bhindranwala outsiders (ISI) took advantage and armed bhindranwala. he gets out of control and results is not a hidden story. who did mistake for what purpose and the whole thing took such an ugly turn which i am sure congress should not have thought of (after all indians will not like to compromise national interests). who paid the price most.
Remember every religion teaches us to give and here what we are doing? does we are following instructions of religion? why not religion disown us? answers lie with yourself only as at the end of the day you have to answer yourself.
