Can any Hindu give a single instance where Muslims have been prefered over Hindus in any walk of life anywhere in India since independence? You talk of Shah Bano case-It has nothing to do with Hindus. You talk of special status to Urdu- It has nothing to do with Muslims. You talk about Ayodhya- A mosque was razed to the ground & each & every criminal is still free, infact ruling the country. If you are so sure it is Ramjanmabhoomi, why don't you (1).Wait for the court order & (2).Demolish all the existing fake Ramjanmabhoomis spread all over Ayodhya? You talk about Kashi & Mathura- Can you prove anything with hard evidence? You threaten that you will claim the Muslim holy places in Saudi Arabia- By all means! Just let the Indian Muslims live in peace. The holy places in Saudi are Gods' property & he will take care of them. You talk about special status to Kashmir- But who humiliated the Kashmiris by withdrawing the Autonomy & suspending their human rights? You talk about Muslim support to Pakistan- It is only in cricket & 100% justified because of the great players & believe it or not more Hindus like the Pakistani cricketers than Muslims! If you have any answers, do post them.
I appreciate Arvind for expression of his views which is very much experienced and sensed all over.We must keep our identity of hindu civilisation for our existance.Friendship with Pakistan is very fatal for existance of India due to early educational emphasis in school to teach INDIA is hindus and are enenies however in our system our generation looks at PAK as neighbour.(Educational twist)Todays hostage crisis wouldnt have been faced if NDA would have been in power. UNDP report is biased.
The UNDP's indulgence on India is very unfortunate. A more regorous effort is required on the part of Hindus to counter such things. It is time that Hindus abroad realise that, and make the necessary legal and social efforts.
My heartfelt message of thanks to Shri Arvind Lavakare for bringing out the truth about Islam, the so-called faith of 'peace and tolerance', and all that crap after close to 1,400 years of incessant genocide of 'kafirs'. As Shri Lavakare has so succintly put it, unimpeachably supported by statistics and reports, receptive minds in the West and elsewhere have slowly, but surely begun to unravel this facade of Islam's 'peace and brotherhood', but alas, the Indian media is still in the sadistic grip of Dileep Padganokars, N. Rams, Rajdeep Sardesais, Praful Bidwais, Barkha Dutts, Shekhar Guptas, not to speak of the Islamic hagiographers like Romila Thapars and D.N. Jhas. This only to be expected, as India's English chattering classes do not have a single genuine home-grown intellectual, only posturing slaves and minions of their alien paymasters. Jaganniwas Iyer
Reply to Iqbal...
by Fareed on Aug 02, 2004 03:22 AM
Well,No Worries Mr Iqbal.People like you would make way for others from all corners of the globe, white or black or brown , intellectuals to illiterates, from any background rather. But still,if non-muslims are feeling happy bout iqbal,at your own peril. Because, Above all,islam is submission to your creator, and if one opposes his own creator,then i wonder how loyal would he be to his fellow creations. Apart from that , why would he want to stay in a religion, which DISALLOWS - alcohol, adultery, human abuse, materialism, wastage of energy,T e r r o r i s m and the list is almost endless.. OKAY,you might be jumping on your feet, to show me, how many muslims are indulging in the above.I know and its unfortunate,its a shame that its so.. :-( But See it this way, just becoz corruption has become common in govt institutions, Would you say that the Govt laws preach Corruption? No,right... Same thing with islamic laws too, just becoz some muslims are indulging in terrorism et al,doesnt mean that its something islam preaches. BACK to IQBAL: WHEN THE SHIP IS SINKING, THE RATS ARE THE FIRST TO JUMP OUT. but there is a catch Mr.. This Ship WILL NOT sink.
RE:UNDP's ignorance and insolence
by Mohd Iqubal on Aug 01, 2004 06:07 PM
Truth about Islam has started now coming out.The hard nut of Islam has started cracking from within. First greate man these days liberated from it is ANWAR SHIEKH who is now a days about 92 years. He is Pakistani, now setled in England.He has writen about ten books exposing Koran and Islam and its Psych. He has been given many fatwas by muslim community. Second greate man liberated from this jihadi ideology is Ibn Warrack.He has also written a number of books on Islam and Koran exposing its very evil face,ayat dar ayat and hadis dar hadis. He is also Pakistani muslim. Third greate man is Ali Sina,an Iranian scholar who is educating Islam-blinded muslims about the inherent danger of Islam.There are lot of educated muslims like me who are leaving Islam and coming out of it.Ther are many websites run by ex-muslims to bring out other muslims from the fold of Islam. www.faithfreedom.org and ww.secularislam.org and www.golshan.com are few of the websites run by ex-muslim groups of many countries to educate ignorant and innocent muslims. It is sad that media is not doing any thing in exposing the Islam to the people.Publishers,authers,editors and intelectuals are in fact afraid of the violence by muslims all over the world. And politions are afraid of offending muslims for thier vote bank. ..............Mohd Iqubal (ex-muslim)
Let us touch reality instead of dropping holy books. We are reading news of spritual leaders of all sect are behind bars for rape, acculamalation of wealth, connenction with international mafia's etc., Enough has come on our political leaders leaving behind a few on criminal cases. Great scholar like Mr Manmohan singh are made to sit with Ministers having criminal background includes rapists, murderers, looters etc., and moreover MR Manmohansingh is defending their positions. These people are leaders and the if u see the level of followers during poll. Getting money from the parties casting votes. Mr Intelligents who expresess their opinion in Website, High end newpapers will not cast their vote to eliminate the criminals. We do not have Mahatmas today to cleanse the society without vested interest both in the spiritual / political front or the public will not recognise them. Our Primeminister if elected (nominated) or Mr Vapayee if given a clear mandate they would serve the society. Who knows about MrMS Swaminathan, Mr Udayamurthy, if they float a party who will follow. (views continued)
An excellent article summing up the story of Hibdu-Muslim existence in India.Full of facts and without any bias.Of course the socalled secularists,Commies,communal muslims will call foul.But the facts are facts.Hindus have been at the mercy of these self-serving people.Congrats to Arvind for being fearless and bold to call a spade a spade. Bliss
RE:Arvind Lavakare-riots in India
by Khalid Hasan on Aug 03, 2004 01:23 AM
The main point raised in the various posts is that Muslims are responsible for all the ills in this world. One guy had asked why riots take place only in Muslim Majority areas? Let me answer this. In Hyderabad, during Ganesh festival, riots don't break out for 10 days when 10,000 idols are installed all over the city, which is the easiest & best time to cause trouble. But always only on immersion day, when security is the tightest. WHY? Because, Hindu fanatics insist on re-routing the procession through muslim majority areas (this is true across India, not just in Hyderabad), then stop in front of mosques for hours to disturb the prayers, throw stones inside & do everything to provoke muslims. When muslims come out, the communal police shoots at them, supports hindus & naturally there is a riot. Since independence, more than 25,000 major & minor Hindu-Muslim riots have occured in India (Home Ministry figures, not mine). 70% of those directly killed in the riots were muslims. 80% of those arrested by police were also muslims. 80% of those shot dead by police were also muslims. Can anyone explain this? How & why only muslims are the victims & still get blamed for all the trouble?
RE:Arvind Lavakare-riots in India
by Rajagopal on Aug 13, 2004 05:46 PM
[quote] Because, Hindu fanatics insist on re-routing the procession through muslim majority areas (this is true across India, not just in Hyderabad), then stop in front of mosques for hours to disturb the prayers, throw stones inside & do everything to provoke muslims.[unquote]
There is very little truth in this matter if you consider Mumbai where number of Ganpati celeberation is probably maximum (maybe>50,000)
Please rememeber that The first public celeberation was started by Tilak in Mumbai and Pune.
In over 30 years that I can remember, *never* have I seen things described above by our friend Khalid Hasan
Arvind Lavare's articles are biased and need to be treated with disdain. The riotings that have taken place from time immemorial, be it Hindu-Muslim riots in Gujarat, Hindu-Sikh riots in New Delhi, Hindu-Muslim riots in Maharashtra, genocides perpetrated by Nazi Germany or by the Pakistani Army on Bengalis in 1971 or other killings that have taken place anywhere in the world need to be strongly condemned by all peace loving people. It is the responsibility of the politicians to educate, assure, convince, unite people of all denominations into cultural mainstream, so that India remains a strong, united nation that can confront external threats. It is irresponsible politicians (irrespective of party affiliations) and journalists that harm India and they need to be compulsorily made to undergo military training and spend a year or two thereafter as Sepoys and serve 30 days training in Army Reserves, so that they become disciplined and responsible citizens. Arvind Lavare would have gladdened the heart of Josef Goebbels, Nazi Germany's Propaganda Minister, were he alive today.
