The problem is that the toilet paper gets you the job sans merit and thread gets you no where.Use gray cells and ask the children of toilet paper holders as well to use brains and work hard.Do not bring out the toilet paper ( safely stored in the godrej at home)at the time of job seeking and when chlidren score lowly in exams.Do not depend on the toliet paper and teach your children the self respect value of education, hard work and importance of merit any where.The teachings of N guru has not opened the brains of many of these poor souls because they do not have the gray cells to understand the meaning.
RS seems to favour narayan guru over ambedkar mainly because the former remained a hindu and did not support conversion as a tool to liberation. Actually ambedkar also waited for 30 long years after declaring that even he will convert if the castes hindus did not mend their ways, but nobody took him serioulsly and at last he did what best he could do. RS would be sad to know that their is a slow but steady conversion of ezhavas from hinduism to christianity. Whereas many of the dalits and adivasis all over india are embracing buddhism taking inspiration from ambedkar. Today the hindus need not listen to non-hindus for their negative views on hinduism they should simply talk to their educated OBC bretheren to find out what they have to say abt the hinduism (brahminism). The enlightment amongst the OBCs took place when the `uppercastes` protested against mandal commission, these protest revealed to them the true colors of hinduism. In maharashtra the OBCs belonging to KUNBI caste have already started preparation for conversion of 5 lacs OBCs from hinduism to a new religion called SHIV-AAEE dharma. It seems OBCs from other part of india will also follow shortly. God help brahminism.
Excellent... very informative. Indeed Sri Narayana Guru ranks among the great spiritual luminaries of Bharat. Lets see how the Muslim and Christian fanatics who regularly post vitriolic comments against your factual pieces react to this one...
RE:Narayana Guru
by Sredhar Nampoothiri on Jun 13, 2005 05:54 PM
Sudhakaran Namboodiri is right.Nairs are not sudras. many in the north think so.i also read a theory that they are related to newar caste of nepal.and if u know the varmas who wear sacred threads are only few.most dont.even brahmins namppothiris dont have a gotra.keralas caste system is apart from everywhere.also if nairs were sudras so u think brahmins will marry them??also if u find out u will see a great colour differece between most nairs and the kerala sudras.kerala sudras are like negros while some nairs are fair most brown olive skinned and some sudras elevated to nairs dark.i am a brahmin and our land is lesser than the neighbouring nairs.they have 342 acres of land. sudras u say! never. a sudra with nearly 350 acres .really some of the north indian theories!!besides if they were sudras then the government would list them.they are upper castes.its final and i love kerala and so i stand for its protector caste, the noble aristocracy the Nairs!!
When I started to read this article, I had some hopes that RS would show his maturity in writing atleast one with no hatred anywhere.
I was wrong!
>Interestingly, the most intolerant were not the >Nambudiri Brahmins, but 'high' Sudra castes just >barely above the 'lower castes'
For your info, RS, we Nairs (whom you are referring to as "high Sudras")are Kshatriyas. We ruled the land and gave our blood in defending it against attacks by the invading armies of Cholas, Vijayanagar, Mughilan Pada, Protugese, Dutch, Tipu and the British. Almost all of the brave patriots like Velu Thampi were Nairs. Kalaripayattu is our tradition. Apart from the Puthooran house and the involvement of some thiyas of North Malabar in the armies there and of some nadars in the army of Marthanda varma, I do not think that your people had anything to do with a martial tradition. Have you any proof?
We also kept alive almost all of the dances, temple rituals and customs and gaurded the Hindu Dhrama. Maybe you should first learn to read history first and talk about us with due respect before writing something stupid.
a response
by Anil Pillai on Sep 07, 2004 03:13 PM
Shri. Rajesh,
I cannot help getting the feeling that you have some animosity towards the Nair community. This is wrong, since the Nairs had defended the land against invasions and had not mistreated anyone. The word Nair comes from "nayakan" or leader. Don't get me wrong, I have good friends from all communities, but I am proud of my heritage.
You might consider that many of the princely states were ruled by Nairs till Marthanda Varma took them all. Do you think that a mere Sudra will be allowed to rule a state?
Many Nair nobles like played very important roles in Kerala history. Most were in the armies or were minsiters. Many Nairs married Brahmins or Varmas. For your information, a sudra is considered untouchable.
I know that many of the Southern Kalaris are owned by Ezahvas or Nadars. For your information, southern kalari is not considered as the "real" kalari, but is more Tamil. How many northern Kalaris ("real kalaris") are owned by Ezahvas (with the exception of puthooran house)? When Tipu invaded, he had punished the Nairs and some Christians for rebellion. I have not read about him punishing any Ezhavas or Thiyyas for rebellion.
RE:i was wrong.
by rajesh gopi on Sep 07, 2004 01:18 AM
pillai, sorry, nairs are sudras, not kshatriyas. this is on authority of ems nampoothiripad. he said that when buddhist kerala was conquered by nampoothiri-led forces, those who collaborated were rewarded with an elevated caste, still sudras, but superior ones. this is the origin of nairs.
nairs are not dwija, and do not wear the sacred thread. kshatriyas do. the only kshatriyas in kerala are the handful of varmas.
nothing wrong with being a sudra, but get your facts straight, please. the maharaja of travancore, a nair and hence a sudra, had to be elevated to 'twice-born' by the ceremony of hiranyagarbham, physically passing through a golden antelope statue.
most of the kalaris in malabar belonged to thiyyas. the chekavars were all thiyyas. the vadakkan pattukal are the oral tradition celebrating them. your 'proof' for nairs fighting ancient cholas etc is also folklore.
the nampoothiris maintained hindu culture and also owned the land. once the nairs managed to become caretakers to the nambudiris, they became richer, and had the money to support temples, arts etc. so they also had the money to fight battles, like feudal chieftain veluthampi dalava did.
RE:i was wrong.
by Sudhakaran Naboodiri on Jun 07, 2005 09:37 PM
Hi Anil Pillai is right . Nairs cannot be classified into the regular caste system of india. here nairs like pillai,and menon were infact ministers , then variars and nairs(meaning nair surname) were managers of big brahmin households and palaces . then the panickers and kurups and all were the land lords and astrologers . karthas were also landlords . poduvals were brahmins assistants and worked in temples. it was the nair caste that built temples and sponsered them . if u have the time visit one of the old nair households in kerala , u will find they are big mansions . thogh these daysb they are few , u will see that the existing ones have their own temple snake shrine and acres and acres of land .u think sudras will have mansions , own temple in every house ,wealth, and sponser temples ?? and the ritual of kshtriyas wearing a sacred thread is maybe in the north. here onle 1 or 2 ruler varmas wear the thread bcoz they r brahmin rulers.also for ur imformation varmas are ruling nairs and every nair is however distantly related to a royal family . by the way in kerala when a king dues his nephew becomes the new king(varma)while his own son is called pillai it stands fr pullar(son)
The movement of E V Ramaswamy Naicker (Periyar) in Tamil Nadu resulted in atheism and anti-Hinduism to some extent. The classic example is TR Balu (Union minister and DMK leader), who said recently that, he is ashamed to be a Hindu in a Christian function. Other example is it generated a good business for Christian missionaries, to convert, to make money. They say they are atheists but in reality they are just anti-Hindu bigoted Christian missionaries (like reader POO in rediff message board).
RE:movement of E V Ramaswamy Naicker (Periyar)
by poo on Sep 03, 2004 06:32 PM
hi i will be more happy if the world is eradicated of the cancersof hinduism,islam,christianity,communism etc and i just subscribe that just because i was born in a part of the world i will consider adishankara greater than socrates or vinobabhave better than martin lutherking or rk narayan better than maupassant.i want no history neither proud nor shameful.i will be happy if allopathy helps me and the same for ayurveda.i will be not dogmatic that i will just eat herbs and not take paracetamol.THE MORE A PERSON IS ASHAMED OF THE MORE RESPECTABLE HE IS.dear friends take good whereevr it is from and neglect bad even if its ur own caste/religion/region/language etc etc
E V Ramaswamy Naicker (Periyar) in Tamil Nadu preached an atheistic, anti-theistic which meant anti-Hindu, anti-Brahmin teachings. Periyar succeeded in it and he has left behind a bitter legacy of hatred, as Brahmins and others in Tamil Nadu now feel. He has replaced one set of tyrannies with another and not a recipe for social harmony. That is in TOTAL contrast with the great Sri Narayana Guru 's goal to reform Hinduism by purifying it and by improving it. Both succeeded in their movements, but Sri Narayana Guru created love for all.
Thanks for allowing such educative and enlightening articles to appear on your site. They are a great learning experience. My thanks to Rajeev for writing a well researched article.
RE:article on Sree Narayan Guru
by rajesh gopi on Sep 07, 2004 01:46 AM
dear rajiv, all that you say below is wonderful, and ambedkar was a great man. this is true.
but it is a sad fact that nobody outside india has heard of ambedkar. in india, he is misused as an icon by unscrupulous people to gain advantage.
if you really want to do ambedkar's memory some good, you should understand his message and try to propagate it. if you read ambedkar, he was very much opposed to islamic fundamentalism, which may surprise you. read his works in the original, and understand his message. it is not useful to have a beauty contest with sree narayana guru. the guru accomplished something unique, and so did ambedkar. but dont try to do what tamil fundamentalists do. they make their heroes gods, and make many myths around them, like they do with evramaswamy naicker. dont make ambedkar a god. that is the worst thing you can do to him, poor man.
RE:article on Sree Narayan Guru
by Rajiv on Sep 04, 2004 02:42 AM
Dear Rajesh, Please read the complete sentence, I wrote: "What great thing Guru has told which Buddha failed to tell? Does anybody knows him outside India?"
The context was in reference with The Buddha, whose dhamma spread across the world because of its merit and not by sword or any kind of allurement. The entire world knows Buddha for the precious dhamma he preached.
Now when you have asked "Who knows Ambedkar outside India? let me tell you how the world knows him?
1) He was the first Indian who passed M.A. and Ph. D. in Economics from Columbia University, new York. 2) See the list of degrees he had:- MA, PH.D., D.SC., BAR-AT-LAW Has any Indian after him managed to get these degrees?
He is known outside India for: 1) Single person to frame the constitution of India based on equality, fraternity and justice. 2) Uprooting the evil caste system to give equal opportunity and justice to depressed class. 3) Empowering women with equal right in property share, . 4) Author of world famous book: "The Buddha and his Dhamma".
The author should write about The Buddha and Ambedkar, but the statements must be supported by sufficient proof which isn't there
Periyar's effort to remove faith from the Tamil Nadu people has left SOME OF them bereft and created the vacuum. it is impossible to remove faith from the minds of the people. some now literally worship not the old gods, but the likes of M G Ramachandran, Karunanidhi and Jayalalitha Jayram, and, irony of ironies, Periyar himself. SOME TAMILIANS dont know the meaning of temple, Guru Dwara, church or Masjid and their sacredness. They can not differentiate the temple built for gods and temple built for Khushbu (Khushbu was a cine actress and SOME TAMILIANS built temple for her). Hats off Periyar, for your meaningless movement.
