The uniqueness of our country is each state has their language and their own culture. I don't know why everybody is comparing india to china pr U.S. I agree we need to develop and don't compare it to other countries..each state needs to appreciate their other state peoples sentiments and vice versa. Most of the times these film industry people (I think indian film industry is the worst in world) either targets the people sentiments in nationality or their culture.
Before making noise please get to know about the history of Tamils in SriLanka and the relations b/w tamil nadu and them. Just shouting like I am indian, I am indian won't help much
Re: People of Tamilnadu supports LTTE
by Kathir Krishnamurthi on Aug 21, 2013 01:18 AM
No. People of Tamil Nadu looked at the misdeeds of Rajiv Gandhi and how his Army killed Tamils... They helplessly looked at the policies of Indian Government led by Italian Sonia who continued the policies leading to wiping out 200,000 Tamils.
Let the people see and decide. Anything said good about ipkf , Indias initiative to end violance in the island termed as bad for the tamils. When Rajiv Gandhi was assasinated all knew who killed our PM and every citizen of this country wanted the ltte along with the leadership and that finally happened. And if this is the story John wants to convey , let him.
Re: Madras Cafe
by abc_xyz abc_xyz on Aug 20, 2013 01:31 PM
everybody knows hwo masterminded 1993 blasts ...Can we make a movie projecting all Ms as bad and supporting that legend and get away with brickbats ?
Re: Madras Cafe
by Kathir Krishnamurthi on Aug 21, 2013 01:26 AM
What truely happened is "200,000 Tamils were killed and their land taken over and permanently colonized". Why can you show the truth... that exists now....
Cant understand why Malayalees are being dragged into this. John Abraham is half Malayali and does not know to speak Malayalam. He plays the character of a Army officer who is of North Indian origin. I doubt if the interviewee has even seen the movie before protesting against it. Or for that matter all the Tamilians writing here. First watch the movie, see if there is anything offensive and then comment / protest in the right fashion. The director Shoojit Sirkar has delivered credible movies in the past and so has John acted in some. Give them a chance. If it is a good movie it will be accepted, else rejected.
Re: ??
by Yatin Shirali on Aug 20, 2013 02:19 PM
u r right bro. people tend to just jump the gun relying on rumours. one should comment on the content only after seeing it, not before that.
Re: ??
by John Abraham on Aug 20, 2013 03:14 PM
You want to know why malayalis are being dragged? CETTA,I am a malayali. To satisfy rajapakshe, I have shown tamils are villains and to show my mallu fervour, our mallu community as noble soul. Jai rajapakshe , Jai Sivasankar menon
Re: ??
by John Abraham on Aug 20, 2013 03:18 PM
Jai K.R.Narayanan, Jai Siva Shankar Menon, Jai Nirupama Rao, Jai Vijay Nambiar, Jai Satish Nambiar, Jai Antony, Jai John Abraham (me).
Re: ??
by Kathir Krishnamurthi on Aug 21, 2013 01:29 AM
Inaidn Army killed 8000 Tamils in Srilanka. They stole, raped and plundered... Would they show that... and show Why Tamils asked them to leave..
Re: Re: Why?
by k k on Aug 20, 2013 01:29 PM
If there is a movie that states the fact and if there is a Malayali character or story that is not needlessly overexagerrated to shame the community as a whole, then I am sure Malayalis wont mind. I feel they are the most mature movie audiences in the country along with Bengalis and Marathis. BTW, I am not a Malayali.
Re: Re: Why?
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 20, 2013 11:45 AM
I am not defending Hindi films in this case, but havent they done this to many states? Punjabis/Biharis/Maharastrians are also shown as illiterates/hooligans/self-centered and all such stuff.
But I agree with what your CM did some decades ago when she found Padosan as demeaning tamils, she banned it in TN. Why cant the CM ban Chennai Express and Madras Cafe?
Re: Why?
by Kathir Krishnamurthi on Aug 21, 2013 01:21 AM
Bollywood represents the scum of India. They will make milk out of somebody's misery. What do we expect from scums. How many movies have they made that portray unity and greatness of our Nation..
A north Indian can make a movie(Madras Cafe),a Malayali can make a movie(on Periyar dam) distorting history and facts and showing Tamils in bad light but a Tamil can produce a movie that shows his plight. This is Indian democracy for you.
500 Tamil fishermen were killed by Sinhalese army so, the Indian govt didn't do anything but two Keralite fishermen killed, the Indian govt went to the extent of breaking its relationship with Italy. This is Indian democracy for you.
Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens by India
by John Abraham on Aug 20, 2013 03:34 PM
As long as Italy mafia don sonia fonia and mindless manmohan singh are in the power,we mallus will do anything and make any movie financed by his Highness Sri Sri Sri Rajapakshe.
Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens by India
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 20, 2013 08:59 AM
This parochial attitude of some chaotic states like Bihar, JK & TN has cost our nation a lot..... JK wants its people to be given special status, Bihar wants preferential treatment, you guys are more bothered about your brothers in sri lanka than our country, etc..... Shameless, really shameless.....
Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens by India
by Dave Law on Aug 20, 2013 09:56 AM
TN is chaotic.. good joke, only the governance of the country is chaotic. Non Tamils(especially north Indians) hate and discriminate Tamils so much then what do you expect back....love? We don't need your approval. We love our language and our race, you don't need to respect it but don't insult it. We are Tamilians first, Indians next. If you can't accept this fact then you are deceiving yourselves.
All we want is equal rights and protection as an Indian. If you can't protect us and can't uphold our rights then you have no rights to expect loyality. India and so called Indians is making TN as another Kashmir ie. alienting Tamils.
Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens by India
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 20, 2013 10:22 AM
Dont contradict yourself to such an extent that you appear like a crazybufoon. Why do you want equal rights & protection if you are a tamilian first & indian next? Cant your tamil people provide it to you? Parochial fools....! You discriminate all non-tamils which invites you problems. Why dont the so called north indians have no problems with south indian states other than TN? It is because you guys are more interested in the tamils of other countries but least interested towards India, and insensitive to the problems of fellow Indians. If you say that you are not an Indian first, throw yourfucking passports into the bay of bengal and get passports issued by the govt of TN.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens by In
by abc_xyz abc_xyz on Aug 20, 2013 01:25 PM
"Why dont the so called north indians have no problems with south indian states other than TN?"
You seriously made me laugh !! good joke !!! There is a saying in tamil ' Vandaarai Vazha vaikum ooru ' ..google it to know its meaning.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 20, 2013 01:50 PM
Please enlighten me with the meaning Sir. Google, in the country I am, shows some songs and a post called "Simbu's Anthem" :)
But also please take the trouble of knocking some sense into your friend, Mr. Dave's head. You dont mean to say whatever he says is correct, or do you?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by abc_xyz abc_xyz on Aug 20, 2013 02:16 PM
Since when did Dave become my friend and not yours. I see you both discussing vigorously more than anyone here ???
Anyways, for the question you asked, it roughly translates to 'We make people from all race,creed etc to lead a healthy living without discrimination'.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 20, 2013 02:24 PM
I thought you were defending Dave, but I am sorry if you were not. I was referring to a fanatic comment by Dave, thats it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by abc_xyz abc_xyz on Aug 20, 2013 03:35 PM
I dont support anyone just becuause he belongs to my region and dont oppose anyone becuase he is from another region. But I just couldn't stand your line on the NIs having trouble with TN. May be you aren't fully aware of the facts and just go by hear-say.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 20, 2013 09:12 PM
It is the experience of most of my friends who have been to your state. Also, the TN people whom I have met havent seemed sensible like you either.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by abc_xyz abc_xyz on Aug 22, 2013 06:22 PM
Mr Shikari Shambu- I do not know which state you belong to, but let me tell you, I have worked in 5 countries and in 5 different states in India barring TN (may me my fate is that I would never get to work in my homestate). But what I have experienced in each of these places is that, there are both good things and bad things. If you can enjoy the good things and give "constructive criticism" to improve bad things and if you have the open heart and mind to accept the local culture, you will be good. If you enter a place with a complaining mode- even god cant save you.
And please do not talk about sense and dignity to Tamilians. We have been one of the most progessive races in the world over years and TN has always been an important hub for the country's growth.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 22, 2013 10:33 PM
My friend abcxyz, you say there is something good and bad in every place (i agree with that). You say Tamilians are an important hub for the country's growth. Did I say no? Did I speak anything about you guys not being useful in any way? All I was telling Dave is that people should do their bit for the country. Tell me in 1 word, do you agree with his sentence "we are tamils first and indians next"....? If so, I have nothing to say.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens by In
by chandra sekaran on Aug 20, 2013 01:31 PM
Wow.. Mr. Shikari Shambu Im rather surprised by this as well "Non-tolerance of Debate & voicing of opinion causes hatredness & separatism? I am surprised Sir." come on sir if in family with 4 Sons and 3 Daughters and if father gives preferential treatment to one son alone all the time and do not even talk to rest do you expect the rest of the kids to be loyal to the family? Remember sir this has caused lots of conflicts in the past and sorry sir its happening all over again in a different way. Look at US sir Look at the way it reacts even if one citizen is harmed we expect the same thing here sir and sir dont expect employees to be loyal to the company until the Managers do something back in return! and please do not quote me Jhon Kennedy's statement because that country is definitely doing something back in return!.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 20, 2013 02:21 PM
I agree with you that US "managers" are doing well as against our netas. But tell me Sir, dont WE elect the guys who manage us? If 1.2 billion of us start expressing our opinions, who is going to work for the benefit of the country? With reference to the example I provided, was it the managers who caused the problem, or WE (the citizens) who rioted? Again, look at yesterday's incident in Bihar. It is the same citizens who destroyed public property in the name of voicing the opinion on the train driver when the fault was with the people sitting on the railway track.
With reference to your comment, I would still say that the rest of the kids SHOULD be loyal and prove to thefather that he is wrong instead of vandalism.
Dont you think that "we get the leaders we deserve".....? One hand, we want American level of security, other hand people like Dave Law say that they are first from a region, and secondly they are Indians.....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by chandra sekaran on Aug 21, 2013 10:23 AM
Sir, For a moment I thought you are trying to build a strong building but then you disappointed me by relying on not so strong foundation! A strong foundation to country relies on stronger states and stronger states will result in strongest nation! Sir, Telling that the driver did not horn is an opinion but rioting is wrong. Sir you tell all bad about those people but dint you read that the nearest ambulance was 5KM away? I feel more pity to them rather than getting angry with driver or rather upset with the Mob Justice!. In a democratic country Everyone opinion must be heard and respected (need not necessarily be followed immedatly) not mere criticism just because there is no oneness feeling!.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 21, 2013 11:42 AM
I am not preventing anybody to voice their opinion Sir, but damging public property is not the way to progress. Thats my only concern.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens by In
by satheesh on Aug 20, 2013 07:40 PM
I am not a tamilian, but I don't think north indians are a highly cultured lot. They are despised in many other indian states too.They are having problems with kashmir in north, punjab in west,assam in east, and naxalites in the middle.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 20, 2013 09:14 PM
Thats the problem here. People dont see India as a whole..... It is totally fragmented.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by abc_xyz abc_xyz on Aug 22, 2013 06:27 PM
When you or your "friends" dont see TN as a part of India and go into complaing mode, who are you to criticize others?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 22, 2013 10:34 PM
When you dont drum knowledge into your friends like Dave, who are you to lecture others?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens by In
by chandra sekaran on Aug 20, 2013 10:54 AM
Well Mr. True Indian... some questions how did the whole country react when Mr. Mahendra Chowdhry was taken hostage in Fiji? Was it not Fiji's internal matter? Why is the country making lots of noises when a temple is demolished in Pakistan/Afghanistan and absolutely silent when Malaysia demolishes temples? And the fishermen episode when Italian guards kill 2 fisher men see how the govt reacts yet go and listen to the cries on the eastern shore nothing happened! and we take all muscle to defend kashmir yet we gifted a small but significant island to a chinese friendly neighbor! Its not the country that people have problem with but the people like you holding offices who nurture these kind of separatism!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 20, 2013 11:30 AM
"Why is the country making noises blah blah"..... So you dont belong to this country?
Some idiots make a hue & cry over insignificant issues like Fiji, so does it mean that you guys (who call yourselves sensible) also do the same?
With a logic of Dave Law, all MNCs should be thrown out of TN. For security, rights, etc your friend Mr. Dave Law is an Indian. But for everything else, he is a tamilian first and Indian next..... First correct your guys before lecturing others.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by chandra sekaran on Aug 20, 2013 12:22 PM
@Shikari Shambu "Some idiots make hue and cry..." well buddy its this non tolerance of debate and opinion that is causing all sorts of hatredness and fueling separatism... be brave to face an opinion and consider view points as well instead of just dismissing it as insignificant (to vote bank) if the "Mangers" had done this then this wouldn't be the most commented topic in rediff!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 20, 2013 12:33 PM
Non-tolerance of Debate & voicing of opinion causes hatredness & separatism? I am surprised Sir.
Let us take an instance, Saddam Hussain was hanged a few years ago. What was the necessity of people who were debating & voicing their opinion to make it grow into a curfew in some parts of India? Same case with Laden's death. This is not a problem of a region my friend, it is not TN or Delhi or Maharashtra or Bihar or Kolkata causing a problem. It is the mentality of people like Dave Law who want all benefits of the country, but consider priority to a language or region over a country. When Kargil war happened, people went to the borders not as Tamilians or North Indians or Gujaratis. They went as Indians. This sense of think is lacking in our people.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens by In
by Dave Law on Aug 21, 2013 07:45 AM
Shikari Shambu, ...gosh, you are so pathetic man, I pity you. Calling us fools is really helping in winning us back man. For you immature mind, read and update yourselves on reality, if you can't just lay low.
Tamils are as patriotic to their country(India) as any other Indian. For any race Mallu, Bengali, Marathi, Punjabi etc their language and region is first. They are demonstarting it whenever there is a need. It is a reality, you have to
accept it, you can't just blindly blabber about unity. You keep them content and together by treating them fair and equal. You'll know this once you have the right experience.
The so called 'Indian unity' is a fine line, you can't keep people together by alienting and prosecuting time and again. It is the reponsibility of a nation to protect and uphold the rights of all its citizens, India failed miserably as
a nation here.
I have never seen a country(other than India) taking sides with another country who kills its own citizen. You won't give water or electricity to us but will dump nuclear power plant. This is India for Tamils.
It is not us, it is India and other Indians who time and again making us feel that that we don't belong to this country. We are aliented and forced to defend us Tamils.
No point in getting angry and abusing me. You can't win us by force or abuse or lecturing on unity but by doing your duty as a nation will do, protecting and addressing the concerns of its people.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens b
by Shikari Shambu on Aug 21, 2013 10:42 AM
Who wants to win you loser? You were the one who said you were a tamilian first, and then an Indian. You are the insecure guys who feel alienated even when you are not. Nobody can help you :). Jai Hind....!
Also Dave, when you say "India failed as a nation", are you not a part of India? You are also equally responsible for such downfall.
Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens by India
by Mak Kumar on Aug 20, 2013 10:38 AM
That is the problem with the Indians- i am tamil, bengali,bihari,marathi etc etc first and then Indian. That is the reason why invader after invader could come and rule India inspite of them being in minority and rule over this vast country. It is because of people like you that India cannot become another China whom the world respects and is in awe of. It is because the people here do not respect each other and their country. Nobody can help us- we will continue to be treated with disdain by the world due to people like you
Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens by In
by saravana pandi on Aug 20, 2013 02:51 PM
Mak kumar, that the uniqueness of our country. Each state has their language and their own culture. I don't know why everybody is comparing india to china pr U.S. I agree we need to develop and don't compare it to other countries..each state needs to appreciate their other state peoples sentiments and vice versa. Most of the times these film industry people (I think indian film industry is the worst in world) either targets the people sentiments in nationality or their culture.
Before making noise please get to know about the history of Tamils in SriLanka and the relations b/w tamil nadu and them. Just shouting I am indian won't help much
Re: Re: Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens by In
by Dave Law on Aug 20, 2013 10:58 AM
Meaning of illiterate
1. unable to read(understand) and write. 2. having or demonstrating very little or no education. 3. showing lack of culture, especially in language and literature. 4. displaying a marked lack of knowledge.
Re: Re: Tamils are treated as second class citizens by India
by Kathir Krishnamurthi on Aug 21, 2013 01:31 AM
Chaotic: The words fits Hindwallahs who go about killing their Muslims neighbors, destroy their mosques, and their leaders deliver hate speeches, and their Capital has slowly become a territory of rapists...
