Here is a man who has picked up by westener to give a English song and he has given to best of his abilities.He does not to compare with anyone.What harm he has done to his country and a normal person just support his countrymen ,he was not competing with any Indian music director.He has been appreciated by US critics,media and public,he is not running a publicity camp,the world is falling on his feet and here people are abusing him just because of J factor
These days Oscars are like Miss World or Miss Beach beauty gone are the days these awards held some credibility.
Nominate an artiste from the third world with a very good atrocious consumer gypsy group like India...Millions of muppets would glue in to watch the show, pondering over movie names and directors, they had hardly heard and would hardly get released India and add TRP to the programme.
Award it once to the artist and then nominate his name every where so the TRP is always there are there are some billion idiots ready to bite the brick.
Slumdog was only okayish even for Rahman's high standards but neither couples retreat nor this movie 127 hours were hardly Oscar materials..Sheer common sense for any one who has watched this Oscar circus unfold every year.
As long as there are takers Indian public can be fooled by anything some dumb world cup formats and matches, a circus called IPL...they are ready for anything..With more money earned for less work exhausted its bound to happen. May be we must look back at farmers and jawans on what it means by working hard before laundering money.
Re: Age old tactic from Oscars
by parvaiz khan on Mar 02, 2011 10:54 PM
so many people and critics liked the movie and music except our own country people,people here are staying for than 30 years still they may not able to sing a song and Rahman coming from a govt school of India able to compose and perform at oscars.
Re: Age old tactic from Oscars
by arup dey on Mar 09, 2011 03:23 PM
Dont give a hypothetical comment which is based on assumptions. Rahman was critiques choice for the movie 127 hours( the main panel of judges). The decision however rests upon a number of variables related to music and there is o pool of 5000 voters who have atleast one oscar nomination in their lifetime(the min criterion to be a voter). It may be argued however that there are insignificant number of indian voters in that pool so the liking and preference can change. Please buck up and learn facts kiddo and then put your comments.
Re: Age old tactic from Oscars
by Manohar on Mar 01, 2011 11:14 PM
One thing u have to know is, this is not Indian awards and Indian public are noway fooled here ... This is American awards and they really liked it and enjoying... and nominating it .... Our music likening is deifferent and theirs is different .... whats wrong if ARR is nominated in such case ...
Re: Lungi performance
by goutham balakrishnan on Mar 02, 2011 12:39 AM
Are you paid by rediff to create a north-south fight on this topic also? Rahman is an Indian first and then a tamilian.
Please accept that there is no Best in this world as Best is a comparitive term/word, Ilayaraja belongs to a generation of lesser Technology dependance.His Symphony for Royal Pjilormonic Orchestra has been applauded by the connosiers of world music-His works-How to Name it and Nothing but Wind are part of Trnity college's syllabi.Note that this is the same person who has brought in folk music to main stream which can be compatred only to genuises like Rabindranath Tagore who introduced a new school-Rabindra sangeet.Guys,If you have listened How to Name it -It's script is Mozart,Beethoven,Bach and Thyagaraja meeting in Heaven and communicating through music-Nothing but Wind has only Wind instruments sans Percussion and String. Where in ARR is another genuis who at the age of 19 gave us the ever Green Music of Roja.Ilayaraja's melodies are copied by many composers in Hindi and other regional languages-The Music of Cheeni Kum and Paa has been composed by him around 2 decades back for Tamil movies.ARR is the new generation Ilayaraja. We guys listen to music from a sensual platform-There are others who listen from Critical platform and conosier's platform-They wont compare the 2 genuises-Who is better-Confucious or Plato or Socrates-Who is a better Actor-Dileep Kumar,Sivaji Ganesan or Uttam Kumar-Who is a better Director-Satyajit Ray,Mrinal senm,Adoor Gopalakrishnan, or Kran Johar or Mani ratnam-Guys let us not compare-Gettiong Nominated thrice to Oscar itself is a great ac
i do not understand why people have to compare musicians... for those who do not know it,its not that illayaraja has not tired to lure the west....he did compose a symphony but that wasnt accepted and also that very piece was accused of lifting 4 bars from a irish folk tune!!!!!! well theres no point comparing two greats..... like arr has himself said "a lion is a lion and a tiger is a tiger"
at this moment we shoudl all feel proud that an indian is getting nominated year after year and his work is being recognised.Further none can dispute the fact that he has brought more laurels to india in the field of contemporary mainstream music than all his predecessors put together!!!its time we recognise what the world has!!!
We indians seem to have made it a habbit of trying to prove to the west that we have much more of what you all like in abundance.well going by that we should have had all of them getting nominated or atleast composing music for hollywood movies!lets not kid ourselves,Arr is the best we have today.....and theres no point comparing any yesteryear composer to him.if i were to agree that Arr may not be able to have composed the hits of the 60's,70's and 80's would people accept that the yesteryear composers cannot compose hits of today by Arr?????
Re: no comparisons
by aravind gopalakrishnan on Feb 28, 2011 09:09 PM
This is a big news that Ilayaraja failed at Symphony..In that case,Bombat dreams failed miserably.Also,check out what the original story of 127 hours told about ARR.It is not about composing at global level.. Nowadays it is accessible while it was very tough those days.. So please understand.It is not about challenging compositions in 60s,70s against 2010 or 2011.. What Raja composed in 70s,80s and early 90s are still evergreen and can be heard n number of times..But is that the case with any modern day musician ? Ilayaraja was and is the best.
Re: no comparisons
by aravind gopalakrishnan on Feb 28, 2011 09:14 PM
Please read this first and stop writing such stories and ur presumptions on Ilayaraja's performance at Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
Re: Re: no comparisons
by M K on Feb 28, 2011 11:15 PM
Comparing ARR to Illayaraja is like comparing Tendulkar to Gavaskar. ARR is like Tendulkar and getting recognition all over the world; Illayaraja is like Gavaskar very good once upon a time and thats it.
Re: Re: Re: no comparisons
by aravind gopalakrishnan on Mar 01, 2011 06:17 AM
Correction Ilayaraja is like Viv Richards.. He was the best against toughest bowling attack.Though he did not have that many number if centuries as Sachin,he is invincible batsman.Same goes for Ilayaraja.Ilayaraja did not get the chance to compose for Danny Boyle or any Hollywood director.Without that,you cannot write off Ilayaraja.Even RD.Burman,Naushad are not recognized at world level.Does that mean they are inferior to Rehman ?Please grow up sir.
Re: Re: Re: Re: no comparisons
by rich on Mar 01, 2011 05:19 PM
well it is a fact that illayarajas symphony has 3 cases registered against it for plagiarism....google it before becoming the final authority on illayaraja.
well firstly i am not the one who started the comparison,i am only stating facts. there is no need to compare anybody to anybody.there is plenty of bread,butter and marmalade available for everyone!!!! this discussion board was about :"what people thought of rahmans performance" it should've been either positive or negative...however some morons come to this discussion forum and start comparing icons.People who dont like rahman have a choice....to ignore him.... and likewise people who dont liek illayaraja can choose to ignore him! India is a free land my friend!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: no comparisons
by aravind gopalakrishnan on Mar 01, 2011 08:33 PM
There is no point friend by saying merely that it is a fact. It does not become a fact.If that is the case,why should Stephen Schwartz appreciate Ilayaraja.Does not mean,every others are creative.. Coming to 127 hours music,it was not up to the mark.Check on the comments by the real life character of that movie which is very authentic and the latest. Even SDM did not deserve all those accolades.
i do not understand why people have to compare musicians... for those who do not know it,its not that illayaraja has not tired to lure the west....he did compose a symphony but that wasnt accepted and also that very piece was accused of lifting 4 bars from a irish folk tune!!!!!! well theres no point comparing two greats..... like arr has himself said "a lion is a lion and a tiger is a tiger"
at this moment we shoudl all feel proud that an indian is getting nominated year after year and his work is being recognised.Further none can dispute the fact that he has brought more laurels to india in the field of contemporary mainstream music than all his predecessors put together!!!its time we recognise what the world has!!!
We indians seem to have made it a habbit of trying to prove to the west that we have much more of what you all like in abundance.well going by that we should have had all of them getting nominated or atleast composing music for hollywood movies!lets not kid ourselves,Arr is the best we have today.....and theres no point comparing any yesteryear composer to him.if i were to agree that Arr may not be able to have composed the hits of the 60's,70's and 80's would people accept that the yesteryear composers cannot compose hits of today by Arr?????
i do not understand why people have to compare musicians... for those who do not know it,its not that illayaraja has not tired to lure the west....he did compose a symphony but that wasnt accepted and also that very piece was accused of lifting 4 bars from a irish folk tune!!!!!! well theres no point comparing two greats..... like arr has himself said "a lion is a lion and a tiger is a tiger"
at this moment we shoudl all feel proud that an indian is getting nominated year after year and his work is being recognised.Further none can dispute the fact that he has brought more laurels to india in the field of contemporary mainstream music than all his predecessors put together!!!its time we recognise what the world has!!!
We indians seem to have made it a habbit of trying to prove to the west that we have much more of what you all like in abundance.well going by that we should have had all of them getting nominated or atleast composing music for hollywood movies!lets not kid ourselves,Arr is the best we have today.....and theres no point comparing any yesteryear composer to him.if i were to agree that Arr may not be able to have composed the hits of the 60's,70's and 80's would people accept that the yesteryear composers cannot compose hits of today by Arr?????
i do not understand why people have to compare musicians... for those who do not know it,its not that illayaraja has not tired to lure the west....he did compose a symphony but that wasnt accepted and also that very piece was accused of lifting 4 bars from a irish folk tune!!!!!! well theres no point comparing two greats..... like arr has himself said "a lion is a lion and a tiger is a tiger"
at this moment we shoudl all feel proud that an indian is getting nominated year after year and his work is being recognised.Further none can dispute the fact that he has brought more laurels to india in the field of contemporary mainstream music than all his predecessors put together!!!its time we recognise what the world has!!!
We indians seem to have made it a habbit of trying to prove to the west that we have much more of what you all like in abundance.well going by that we should have had all of them getting nominated or atleast composing music for hollywood movies!lets not kid ourselves,Arr is the best we have today.....and theres no point comparing any yesteryear composer to him.if i were to agree that Arr may not be able to have composed the hits of the 60's,70's and 80's would people accept that the yesteryear composers cannot compose hits of today by Arr?????
