u guys didnt get my point !! i couldnt agree more with you guys on the Satyajit Ray and AR Rehman being deserving gems of India since long and Slumdog not exactly being the Oscar Material
BUT the fact remains that The movie has universal appeal, excellent editing & is a very INTERNATIONALLY acceptable package Personally i would ve wanted "A WEDNESDAY" to have won the oscar .. but International Acceptance is something Subjective to audience & beyond my control so i cant say a LAGAAN or Taare ZAMEEN PAR or any XYZ should have won
Anyways All things taken into consideration (yes ... even the fact that its a whiteman's movie) ... the Truth is it has now been Stamped with oscar & has done something other's didnt have the "Luck" to do (it was written as they say) and revived indian interest at Academy (for whatever ulterior motives it may be - TRP or watever)
so all that m saying now is that instead of criticising Y not look at the positive side of it all and be a part of the 'Cheer' the movie has brought to our industry and indeed those 6-7 slum kids
Lets not forget That speech by ARR "mere paas maa hai" totally blew me away with its simplicity and honesty. That speech itself wouldn't have been possible had it not been for this Slumdog phenonmena. so i insist we be thankful to Danny boyle, Learn What he did right(must ve done atleast Something right to win an Oscar), and progress in the right direction
Re: @ rocket and sanath
by sanath on Mar 04, 2009 06:30 PM
I agree with this post mr. ankit relan...totally.
At the end of the day, Kudos to ARR and SMD for winning Oscars; all that I wanted to say was India has produced far better films and music, which were not appreciated but ridiculed by the West...so, ARR is far lucky to have got away with what the West used to call a song-and-dance routine...positively looking at it, at least India can claim now to have got a couple of Oscars !!!
Re: Re: @ rocket and sanath
by sanath on Mar 04, 2009 06:31 PM
Let us pray for the day when a truly Indian film with a story to make us proud gets the Oscars !!!
exactly, I agree with rocker...no denying that there are slums and there is poverty, but is this the best film ever made on India or in India ? Is this the best music that ARR has given ever ? Why this special "honour" on India by giving it 8 Oscars ? Every year Indian films were ridiculed as movies with song and dance routines, and this year suddenly they see the song as an "anthem"...Past films like Do Beegha Zameen, Ardh Satya, Ankush also portrayed realties...regional films like Mathilukal (Malayalam) which were based on true stories and was excellently made by Adoor Gopalakrishnan did not even get a dekho in any Oscars...Satyajit Ray was given a lifetime award almost as a consolation considering that he created gems which were never considered as Oscar material...Lagaan which is also a story of the dreams of a village which are fulfilled and a well made film at that was not given any Oscar, and arguably, the songs were on par if not better than SDM
This seems to time more with the entry of Hollywood giants like Eros, Warner Bros, Universal, Paramount etc, into Hindi film industry....very similar to the sudden surge in Ms. World and Ms. Universe that we had in the late 1990s to mark the entry of cosmetic giants to the huge market called India (as if we did not have quality women earlier or later to that period)
Re: Oscars and SDM
by ankit Relan on Mar 04, 2009 03:37 PM
Nothing u said above could be wronged !! Ardh Satya was a masterpiece and so is A WEDNESDAY .. what with the last dialogue of movie being "USNE MUJHE APNA NAAM TO BATAYA PAR WOH NAAM MAIN NAHI BATASAKTA... LOG NAAM MAIN MAZHAB DHOOND LETE HAIN" ......shitttt...what powerful dialogues and sensible movie
anyways
Y BRING UP PAST WHEN YOU CAN ENJOY THE PRESENT AND SMILE FOR THE FUTURE ????? lets hope the slumdog phenonmena does more good to India (m specifically talking about the Film industry)
I do not our Indian Mentality. They are not open to any truth. Our reaction is always shows our low self esteem. It is the truth that India lot of people live in slums. So what? We react is as if some one has suddenly made disrobed us. We just keep running around to cover it up!!! Common guy chill out. End of the day I am happy couple of slum kids are out of it.
Re: What is wrong in showing the truth
by Raj on Mar 04, 2009 04:22 PM
The truth is also that Black people exists in Us , but what is the result if you utter the words "Black" there ?
Re: What is wrong in showing the truth
by sanath on Mar 04, 2009 02:41 PM
If there is a problem in my house, I would rather try to solve it than sell the whole situation to make a fast buck....there are many things that are true in life (including sex), so does that make it okay to come in the open and show ?
Re: Re: What is wrong in showing the truth
by Shabuddin Kamal on Mar 04, 2009 04:46 PM
Sanath Mr. Intelligentia , sorry to say but I am seriously doubt you are stable. What the hell is the comparison between slum and sex? Are you sane?
Re: Re: Re: What is wrong in showing the truth
by sanath on Mar 04, 2009 06:26 PM
You said slums and poverty are truths in life which Indians are not able to accept on screen...in the same scale there are lot of truths in life which are best kept covered. Now, if u did not get the point about my statement or comparison, then it is better left alone, coz u will never see the point if anyone explains...so chill with ur own observations !!!
I find it so strange that WE the ppl of india THE SO CALLED GUARDIANS OF SELF-DIGNITY are finding it so hard to digest the fact that a film which has brought out the slums of India in an aesthetically well shot and well scripted product has all the world swooning over it to the extent that it has even won the oscar
I think we all agree to the fact that The movie has more to do with a slum kid becoming an overnight star rather than showing slums in a bad light isnt it ???
Admit it or not ... The condition of slums, the Blinding of small kids for making them singing beggars, using of small kids for Flesh trade, the DADA of slums, the call centre reality etc etc .... ITS ALL TRUE ISNT IT ??? or are v all mindlessly blind aliens REFUSING To accept the reality thats very much there and which we encounter almost every other day of our lives ??
Instead of criticising the movie, Which in my opinion should ve been made by an indian director Long ago, we should praise the efforts of everybody who have worked their asses off day in and day out to make a movie like this and give India international Fame that it deserves
if nothing else atleast support the movie for what it has done to our musical genius Rehman's life and career...
I may be wrong ... but thats just my personal opinion .. i hope somebody agrees with me
Re: Y cant v accept the reality
by rocker on Mar 04, 2009 02:11 PM
where i beg to differ with u...
goin by previous records, slumdog wasnt oscar material... 8 oscars ?? kinda over rated....
ARR deserves a gazillion oscars... jus that it needs to be a hollywood flick to earn an oscar.... as quoted by a director, 2 oscars r not gonna make any diff to ARR's composition.. they are too good anyway...
and lastly condition of slums is like that... fine... but all at one go to one kid! kinda pushes the limit... its a white man's movie.. not much indian abt it though the director wants it to be...
to me its a carrier which gave arr what his deserved long back and otherwise simply overhyped and overrated..
Re: Re: Y cant v accept the reality
by sanath on Mar 04, 2009 02:38 PM
exactly, I agree with rocker...no denying that there are slums and there is poverty, but is this the best film ever made on India or in India ? Is this the best music that ARR has given ever ? Why this special "honour" on India by giving it 8 Oscars ? Every year Indian films were ridiculed as movies with song and dance routines, and this year suddenly they see the song as an "anthem"...Past films like Do Beegha Zameen, Ardh Satya, Ankush also portrayed realties...regional films like Mathilukal (Malayalam) which were based on true stories and was excellently made by Adoor Gopalakrishnan did not even get a dekho in any Oscars...Satyajit Ray was given a lifetime award almost as a consolation considering that he created gems which were never considered as Oscar material...Lagaan which is also a story of the dreams of a village which are fulfilled and a well made film at that was not given any Oscar, and arguably, the songs were on par if not better than SDM
This seems to time more with the entry of Hollywood giants like Eros, Warner Bros, Universal, Paramount etc, into Hindi film industry....very similar to the sudden surge in Ms. World and Ms. Universe that we had in the late 1990s to mark the entry of cosmetic giants to the huge market called India (as if we did not have quality women earlier or later to that period)
Re: Re: Y cant v accept the reality
by Harsh Shah on Mar 04, 2009 02:59 PM
Blinding people, showing child actors with human excreta all over the body, dirty slums and many bad things
Re: Re: Re: Y cant v accept the reality
by ankit Relan on Mar 04, 2009 03:32 PM
THERE's A THING CALLED CINEMATIC LIBERTY !!
it wasnt really human excreta (cumon man... even a 5 year old could figure that out)
dirty slums and many bad things are a REALITY in Mumbai ..brother ... Actually ... ITS WORSE THAN THAT
i guess u've only seen a slum so closely in movies and not in reality tabhi u dont understand the truth !!
and BLINDING ppl and dirty slum kids were even there in TRAFFIC SIGNAL movie ... no body criticised THAT .... ab Slumdog ne dobara usi scene ko dikhaya and Oscar leygayi ... to wats the problem ??
Re: Re: Y cant v accept the reality
by phani inder on Mar 04, 2009 02:38 PM
well said....also academy wants to make their market in India. simply put the TRP of oscars this year has doubled only bcos.....we indians.
fillum in the hole warld is now Nam Yejamanru showing to our Sahasa Simha as heru...it is broked all recard in Kannadaa fillum warld and all over warld..
its a proud acheivement that a film with indian themes is getting appreciated and connecting to the global audiance........... hope indian filmmakers leverage this opportunity and come up with even better films....
Re: brilliant
by am defacto on Mar 04, 2009 02:55 PM
thats what is strange - we get feeling of achievement when our worse side is appreciated by the world.Is our desperation to get west appreciation so bad???? I agree with sanath. THere have been many much better films on the TRUE side of India (Poverty etc) but they never got this kind of acclaim. 'Jai ho' is mediocre song and rahman has many more 1000 time better songs than this one to get an oscar. Seems the lobby wanted to give it so they picked and gave. Jaago India Jaago.
ya its true its worse india is like my family if any problem occured to my family i will not discussed to the world same to all of us how like this movie
