its become almost synonymous to say "masterpiece" to any offbeat movie...critics are left with no choice but to appreciate all art movies and criticise all entertainers..cmon be fair...call a spade a spade even if it is not a commercial movie. good cinema is above being offbeat or commercial.
Re: Even if SRK works with Shyam benegal or Rituparno, he will be able to act well
by Iron Man on Sep 12, 2008 02:21 PM
True that!!!! I am not SRK fan either but I agree with what you ve said. All offbeat movies are hailed as good. Big Deal... And y are ppl mentioning SRK in Amitabh's film's review? Probably because Amitabh is now judged against the benchmark set by SRK. Amitabh made some v good films in 70's but his stuff in 80's was mostly B Grade and cheap. Same for 90's. Help only came first through Govinda, then SRK and AK. Whats the big deal???
Re: Even if SRK works with Shyam benegal or Rituparno, he will be able to act well
by LeaveSRKandSachinAlone on Sep 12, 2008 02:26 PM
treue true man. Coolie, Mard, Naseeb, Shahenshah, Khuddar was all crap movies. at the same stage of his career, SRK is doing much better movies like Chak De or Swades. Even SRK's Don was good and stylised and much better than the original.
Re: Even if SRK works with Shyam benegal or Rituparno, he will be able to act well
by mahesh kumar on Sep 12, 2008 02:30 PM
Dear Sir, the movies you have listed were real big hits and an intelligent person will understand that, that was the sty;e of filmmaking then, just wait 10 years, and u ursself will feel that mank movies becoming hits today will be defined as crap then.
Re: Even if SRK works with Shyam benegal or Rituparno, he will be able to act well
by LeaveSRKandSachinAlone on Sep 12, 2008 02:29 PM
anyway KKHH, DTPH, KANK, MHN etc are better made movies and more clean entertainers than the crap like Coolie or Mard or Mahaan or Parvarish or Laawaris or Sharabi.
The only good hit commercial movies of AB in his superstar days were Zanjeer, Deewar, Sholay and Muquadar Ka Sikander.
Re: Even if SRK works with Shyam benegal or Rituparno, he will be able to act well
by ashish sharma on Sep 12, 2008 02:37 PM
I dont know what criteria you keep for describing a movie as "crap". But I for sure know that KANK had a godd plot, in which SRK overacted. MHN was movie which i would like call a mindless entertainer and SRK overacted in that (this goes without saying).
And while we are talking about acting capabilites of two of the biggest superstars this country may ever see, I think the emphasis should be on challanging roles and ones ability to ptray the same.
SRK can do something if the director is able to make him perform that ways. While AB himself gets somuch in the character, that you no longer see AB on the screen, but feel as if you are watching the character be himself.
Re: Even if SRK works with Shyam benegal or Rituparno, he will be able to act well
by LeaveSRKandSachinAlone on Sep 12, 2008 02:40 PM
hahaha i saw AB completely in movies like Sarkar and Baghban...he never looked like Bal Thackeray in Sarkar...even in promos of Last lear i can see his Hindi belt accent when he talks to Arjun rampal about his drinking habits..its so funny...SRK did greatly in Swades where he enacted the ambivalence of a foreign returned very well..same as coach of hockey team in Chak De...open ur mind please.
Re: Even if SRK works with Shyam benegal or Rituparno, he will be able to act well
by Iron Man on Sep 12, 2008 02:45 PM
LeaveSRK... movies you ve mentioned are all from 70's. Exactly my point. He made great stuff in 70's. But in 80's he did films that were based on him entirely and he was bad in them. Same goes for 90's till first Govinda, then SRK and then Akshay played important roles in his films to get him going.
Re: Even if SRK works with Shyam benegal or Rituparno, he will be able to act well
by varun on Sep 12, 2008 03:28 PM
the only actor in recent times to have bridged that gap between meaningfull cinema and comercial cinema is aamir khan. His movies are not run of the mill kind but they are succesfull at the box office. SRK has tried to do that with paheli and swades but they failed miserably at the box-office.
Re: Even if SRK works with Shyam benegal or Rituparno, he will be able to act well
by sanjib jha on Sep 12, 2008 02:28 PM
i dont know hakla know acting.when i see him in darr i thought he will become good actor, but film after film he repeated himself now days what happens producers realaese as many print as possible and if it runs for half empty 2 full days films collect its earning.
Re: Re: Even if SRK works with Shyam benegal or Rituparno, he will be able to act well
by LeaveSRKandSachinAlone on Sep 12, 2008 02:31 PM
dude did u watch Amitabh in 70s and 80s...the guy repeated his hamming in all movies like Coolie, Mard, ShahenShah, Khuddar, Namak Halaal, Trishul etc..same angry young man dialogue hamming...so don't blame SRk..it happens to Superstars who have to cater to their audience in the roles they like them in...
Re: Re: Even if SRK works with Shyam benegal or Rituparno, he will be able to act well
by ajay patel on Sep 12, 2008 02:49 PM
Hakla wants to prove himself as next Amitabh Bachchan which will never going to happen, he tried DON which was forcefully declared hit.
No one in the past have tried to become like someone ( Dilip Kumar, Rajesh Khanna, Amitabh Bachchan etc). He wanted to prove him a versatile actor , anybody think what he is ? will he prove it ? No way, his days are gone now, The Singh has proved he is the realy KING. Hakla has projected him as KING Khan. The way in which he is working, he sohould contact Dr. Pandey - father of Chunkey Pandey.
Re: Re: Even if SRK works with Shyam benegal or Rituparno, he will be able to act well
by Iron Man on Sep 12, 2008 02:49 PM
Nasseer is the greatest actor ever. Sanjeev was brilliant but also did repeat his style again and again. Anyway both were amazing and we should be proud of them.
Re: Even if SRK works with Shyam benegal or Rituparno, he will be able to act well
by LeaveSRKandSachinAlone on Sep 12, 2008 02:32 PM
ur asking a bihari to work on his english lol
Re: Another Amitabh flop
by mahesh kumar on Sep 12, 2008 02:18 PM
AB IS ABOVE HITS AND FLOPS, PEOPLE LIKE SRK GET AFFECTED BY THESE LITTLE THINGS. AB IS GODDDDD
Re: Another Amitabh flop
by LeaveSRKandSachinAlone on Sep 12, 2008 02:19 PM
hahahaha nice excuse for giving flops. i will remember this technique when u criticize once SRK starts giving flops.
In his heydays no Shahrukh nor Akshay coming closer .Now see after reaching sixty it BAGHBAN, BLACK,SARKAR now THE LAST LEAR.Every film is the subject and inspire to youngers to worship this Millenium star.
Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by LeaveSRKandSachinAlone on Sep 12, 2008 02:09 PM
dude when amitabh was in his hey days, he used to do shit roles too....in fact srk is doing much better films than AB during his hey days...let SRK become 45 plus even he will start to do experimentation...nothing great in this
Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by sanjib jha on Sep 12, 2008 02:33 PM
sharukh khan wants to project himself as bigger then big B, But this poor guy srk did a bad remake of DON.there is class diffrence between srk and A.B. A.B was much superrior in DON his khai ke paan dace is still a hall of fame and what a acting a diologue delivery
Re: Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by LeaveSRKandSachinAlone on Sep 12, 2008 02:35 PM
yes there is a class difference between AB and SRk. AB happens to appeal to all dehati crowd with his boring ganga kinare dialogues...while SRK appeals to the much more sophisticated urban and NRI crowd
Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by ashish sharma on Sep 12, 2008 02:19 PM
I think you need to see Anand, Deewar, Amar Akbar Anthony, Sholay. Then u'd be able to judge on your own.
And if you think SRK is doing ok (leave alone great) in conventional roles, then tell me why the hell does he always overact in every comic scene????? If you have any doubts, i reccomend that you watch Duplicate, OSO and Don(the one with SRK obviously).
Just compare AB's scene in Amar akbar anthony with any of SRK's comic scenes. I dont think you will find even a comparison, let alone competetion
Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by LeaveSRKandSachinAlone on Sep 12, 2008 02:23 PM
for every Anand, Deewar there is a Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa and Baazigar. AAA was a total masala film nothing great in Ab's role. Sholay was a good movie overall, not Amitabh's acting alone in that movie. For every Sholay, there is DDLJ which is much bigger hit than Sholay was.
You seem to be another one whos obsessed with AB coz he happens to come from the Hindi belt.
Have u watched SRk's yes boss or oh darling yeh hai india? it is superb comedy with great timing. For every badly made Duplicate, there is also badly made Mahaan with AB in triple role.
Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by ashish sharma on Sep 12, 2008 02:51 PM
For your info, I am not form "HINDI BELT", as if that would have made a dif. to my opinion. I am from closer to SRK's Delhi.
And as far as me being "obsessed" with AB, I can say that you seem to be obsessed with SRK.
It is a matter of personal liking. What you like, may and most probably be not like by someone else. And when you are in a healthy debate about something, the fact that you manage to bring in the "Hindi Belt" thing, this shows that you yourself cant take criticism just like SRK.
So henceforth, I will abstain from respondung to your messages on this topic.
(p.s.- mention your real name if you are that confident on something)
Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by Iron Man on Sep 12, 2008 02:37 PM
I am not a big fan of either of them, SRK or Amitabh! But I think with Amitabh people tend to get nostalgic about a past that was never there. He was not a bigger star than Dharmendra or Rajesh Khanna. He was definitely not an actor of the calibr of Naseer or Sanjeev. But he had political backing from Congress and that made him big. How did he respond? Boffers scandal. SRK movies tend to be camp and he does nt know anything beyond 2 expressions. But he is successful, more than Amitabh and still has not got any political patronage( Even though he is trying hard and will probably get Congress on his side). Also whoever mentioned Anand should realize, it was a complete Rajesh Khana show. AAA was multi cast with Rishi Kapoor in a great comic form and Sholay Amitabh was 3rd lead. He would ve been 4th if not for the death scene
Re: Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by ashish sharma on Sep 12, 2008 03:03 PM
nice answer mate.
But some points i would like to mention:
1. We are not comparing Amitabh with either Naseer or Sanjeev or Dharmendra or Rajesh Khanna.
2. The debate is not on whos the bigger superstar. (I having put my comments mostly against SRK, still mentioned that he is one of the biggest superstars that this industry will ever see)
3. Yes, Anand was a complete Rajesh Khanna Show, but you cant point out a flaw in Amitabh's acting. He did justice to his role.
4. AAA was mentioned to show his comic side. His scene in front of the mirror is still considered by many as one of the best comedy scenes (i think THE BEST will go to Jaane bhi do yaaro)
5. Sholay was a movie where I think everyone involved deserves credit. Because noone left any room to bring the movie down. And Amitabh, though not in the lead, should be commeded for carrying his role brillently. (And this role was not of an angry young man. the point i wanted to make from this)
Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by LeaveSRKandSachinAlone on Sep 12, 2008 02:45 PM
yes i agree AB was completely overshadowed by "Babu Moshai" rajesh khanna in Anand...also in Shakti he was completely overshadowed by Dilip Kumar...
SRK can act well given a good script like in Chak De or Swades or KHKN...he is right now in the stage of his career where 2 expressions are enough to bring his fans to the theatre...let him come to the stage of being a senior actor after 3-4 years and even he will star doing good roles where we will get to see much more of his acting ability.
Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by Nihar on Sep 12, 2008 02:34 PM
Please SRK cannot act to save his life. Aamir Kahn is an actor. Amitabh is an actor but not SRK.
Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by Tarush Gupta on Sep 12, 2008 02:32 PM
if you say that DDLJ is a bigger hit that Sholay. Get the medical examination done for your brain. Sholay is and will always be the biggest hit in Indian cinema history. SRK is a star because of NRI audience who are only interested in latest Indian fashion fashion shown in Karan Johar's movies. AB got the award of star of the millenium. SRK has BUY that award anytime of course.
Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by Boss Classic on Sep 12, 2008 02:47 PM
Get your facts moron. DDLJ is the biggest money spinner in the history of Indian cinema.
Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by LeaveSRKandSachinAlone on Sep 12, 2008 02:34 PM
u idiot do u know DDLJ is still running in a theatre in Mumbai for 12 years continuously? it has beaten sholay's record for longest running movie...go and get urself updated moron.
Re: Brilliance,superb that is Big B Big Daddy of Bollywood
by debanjan choudhury on Sep 12, 2008 02:52 PM
To all great SRK fans, if u are comparing SRK with AB till now, u r simply magnifying AB's presence in Bolloywwod. At this age also, if he can challenge the no. 1 position of SRK, it means that how great & powerful actor he is. Insipte of giving many flops recently, real cine goers still await for new release of AB. AB is still a craze for many people and it is impossible for actor like SRK to dethrone him from the heart of millions of people. It is better to appreciate all good movies irrespective of whoever is the actor. If AB has done a good role in Last Lear, he deserves appreciation and not a silly comparison with SRK. Be mature and appreciate all good things.
Hi Sukanya. I quite liked your analysis of the film, it gives a fair idea to the reader what the film would be like and whether to watch it or not (in my case the decision was not to watch). However, after reading your full review i was expecting to see one or at most two stars for the movie (going by the way you have described it). Simply could not understand the relation between the review and the 3-star rating. Could you please explain?
Re: BIG B
by ajay patel on Sep 12, 2008 02:53 PM
He is alway great and will become all time great actor whether at his young age or after 60 .
All other actors except ...Dilip Kumar, Rajkumar Amitabh is the only actor for him the scripts are being written by the producers with him as a center point. Dev Anand still thinking that he is young but he should realise the same like Amitabh has done and doing matured movies to his age and performing Far better then movei which he did in past.
bollywood is still banking on AB to give a hit which is distant possibility. This is the fate of Bollywood. Even a Ass can actin bollywood & get a sponsored award but not national award if not bought by influence or money.
