Kannada, Malayalam and Bengali film industries are good at making ART flicks. In fact Kannada and Malayalam film industries does both ART and MASALA flicks, but they could not succeed in MASALA category. Hence they are facing tough competition from "STRICTLY MASALA" movie makers like Tamil, Telugu and Hindi. So same with Tamil, Telugu and Hindi film industries... they are not capable of making ART flicks (But I guess Bollywood has improved a lot in making some sensible movies). So challenges and talents are there everywhere.
RE:MASALA vs ART movies
by Vasantgopal on Mar 06, 2008 11:08 PM
It may sound odd to an Indian viewer with not more than a cursory knowledge of tamil films, but it is true that the Tamil market has been mature enough to accomodate different tastes, and for a long time now there is a market for every kind of film. Tamil movies have their share of non-commercial movies for a long time now. I am sorry this page is too short to educate you on the list. Infact it is one of the strength's of Madras movies that diverse talents from across the country, are bred with each having his/ her own strengths. And in many cases like ManiRatnam, Rehman, Vikram, Kamal, Nagesh, Manorama, Sridevi, K. Balachander, Illayaraja (to name a few)both art and commercial aspects blend perfectly well. And success of many of Tamil commercial and art movies have been largely because apart from the usual hero-heroine-director list, it has the best technical talent of the 3 big ones and it is the only one to recognise importance of camera work, stunts, costumes (especially in period movies) and other technical aspects. While hindi has simply lost the early lead which Raj Kapoor gave (today Bombay film directors only trust south indian/ Chennai bred technicians). It is as straight forward as saying that Bangalore has the best IT talent in India today.
RE:MASALA vs ART movies
by Love on Mar 07, 2008 02:08 AM
lol!! Tamil movies show all the unrealistic crap ever seen!! People are pretty immature that is why that movies go hit!! It's the best way of investment, making an unrealistic crap movie in Tamil cauze itz bound to go hit!!
RE:MASALA vs ART movies
by Human Value on Mar 07, 2008 02:23 AM
I thought it was a Hindi movie which showed ShahRukh Monkey Khan and Aishwarya Rai as twins. How realistic!
RE:MASALA vs ART movies
by thribhuvan hk on Mar 07, 2008 11:30 AM
Mr. Vasantgopal!! Nowhere in my comment I said that Tamil industry dried out of talented people. Infact I do watch Tamil movies only because of guys like Maniratnam and K. Balachander and my all time favorite musician is Ilayaraja. Just read it properly before commenting on anything.
I have a question to you. How come talent is bound to any specific region? Talented people are there across the globe. They just need a stage to showcase their talent. I hate people in this blog who says Tamil industry is great and Rajanikanth is the greatest actor ever India has produced. What bullshit is this?? Everything and everyone in our country are great and we have to be proud of it.
RE:MASALA vs ART movies
by vijay v on Mar 07, 2008 09:30 AM
Me too.....hee heee. kannada films !! classy ???!!!! wen on earth did that happen. With guys like Upendra around...u cant even dream.
RE:RE:MASALA vs ART movies
by thribhuvan hk on Mar 07, 2008 11:42 AM
Mr Vijay!! No where in my comment I bad mouthed about other film industries. Why don't you read my comment properly and reply sensibly??
Have you ever watched a serial called Malgudi Days which used to come in DD those days?? It was directed by none other than the great director "Shankar Nag" (who is no more now) who happens to be Kannadiga. Meanwhile do you know the first movie that was directed by Maniratnam?? It was a Kannada movie "Pallavi Anu Pallavi" in which Ilayaraja gave rocking music. Do you know who is Prakash Raj (his real name is Prakash Rai). He is hardcode kannadiga. Tamil and Telugu film industries can't even think of a movie w/o Prakash Raj acting in it.
Every film industry has its postives and negatives. Learn to respect the other languages and local sentiments and then you can expect others to do the same. If I talk something bad about Tamil will you keep quiet??
RE:MASALA vs ART movies
by Konga on Mar 07, 2008 10:28 AM
vijay: when it comes to Art movies, kannada industry is class ahead of TN industry...in south it is only Malayalam industry which has won maximum National Awards [7 times] and then it is kannada[6 times]. tamil has won it only once...so you know who makes art movies...
agree- when it comes to masala movies...it is Tamil and Telugi who are ahead...
and for every Upendra...you have Vijay, dhanush...craps are there everywhere dude :)
Rajini's next film release is Kuchelan Robot is set to hit the screens in 2010 Rediff you are always giving news fist Ensure you give correct news, OK?
There are lot of writers in this forum does not know more about history . See the top achivers in any industry
Kanada Film history : Rajkumar - Original name - Muthukumar , A borne Tamilian Hindi Film history - Actress Origin Aiswarya Rai - Karnataka Sridevi - Tamilnadu Deepika PK - Karnataka AR Rahman - Tamilnadu
This list goes on for every industry .....Just imagine removing these names from your industry and there would be a vaccum in the entertainment . India is a diversified country . By such fights we are just going to create hateread amoung people which is not healthy for our country . Lets appreciate good job of Rajini , Mohanlal , Amithab , Chiru..... do not ever critisise. How does it matter if Rajini is acting with 25 years old actor , Shriya or Amithab with 20 yrs old - Jiah Khan or Chiru with 28 yrs Trisha . If you do not accept , swith off or FO .Dont pollute
RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by Lakshmi Rai on Mar 06, 2008 07:04 PM
Your ignorance is mindblowing. Rajkumar's real name is Muthukumar. But he's not a Tamilian, you dumbo. He's a 'eeDiga'. The caste who used to generate arrack from trees. That's from karnataka. Learn your history, in fact all the biggies in Tamil Nadu are Kannadigas...
RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by thiyagu aravind on Mar 07, 2008 12:35 AM
Correct your history..Jayalaitha is a tamilian but her grandfather migrated to mysore as a king's ayurvedic doctor.Same like Soundarya. her grand parents migrated to karnataka.Both the actress are tamil brahmins.Start appreciate their talent and stop divide them by regional languages
RE:RE:RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by Deva Pratap Saathivayal on Mar 06, 2008 07:23 PM
All Iyers & Iyengars are Tamilians. Some Iyengars migrated to Karnataka during 14th century and they could be called as Sankenthis. Most Sankenthis consider themself as Tamils and some do not. True Kannada brahmins are Madhavas and Srivaishnavas. Even Smartha originally had Tamil ancestry, thought they don't consider it now.
RE:RE:RE:RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by Vasantgopal on Mar 06, 2008 11:19 PM
Deva P. ..No argument, just correction. Sankethis are iyers/ saivaites who migrated from Tirunelveli and Hebbar Iyengars are Iyengars from Thanjavur, show migrated up the Cauvery. By the way taking the bigger picture everyone is a migrant in India today.
RE:RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by Deva Pratap Saathivayal on Mar 06, 2008 07:20 PM
Again trying to defend yourself... poor boy/girl. You can call Jaya & Rajni as Karnataka born people not kannadigas. Learn that they are not same. You can not call all Konkanis, kodagus and Tulu as Kannadigas.
RE:RE:RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by Abdul Salam on Mar 07, 2008 11:01 AM
Anybody who has chosen to live in Karnataka, can speak kannada & respect the local customs are kannidigas. Not only Tulu, Konkani, Kodava & Beary speaking are kannidigas. There are many Marathi & Tamil brahmins who have settled decades back are calling themselves pure kannidigas. Do not try to destablise the integrity of karnataka. It is a highly diversified state.
RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by Vasantgopal on Mar 06, 2008 11:15 PM
So Lakshmi your info is correct- also add Prabhu Deva, & yesteryears- SriPriya, Pantribhai, Sowcar Janaki, Vyjayantimala and in politics the much revered EVR/ Periyar the backbone of Dravidian movement). All the more reason why Rahul is justified. And by the not all the Tamil biggies are kannadigas, although we do have a soft corner for them it seems.
RE:RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by thiyagu aravind on Mar 07, 2008 12:38 AM
Rajni is not a kannadiga basically his grand parents are from Maharastra.Shivaji Rao!!
RE:RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by Vasantgopal on Mar 06, 2008 11:22 PM
Not that it is the world's important detail, but Sridevi's father was Ayyapan (Tamil) and mother a telugu speaking Iyengar, and they hailed from Sivakasi. Yes, her mothertongue is definitely telugu.
RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by Sridhar Krishnamurthy on Mar 07, 2008 06:23 AM
And oh! her mother being an Iyengar must definitely be a Tamilian although she may have known Telugu, no?
RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by Ajay Rao on Mar 07, 2008 01:02 AM
You idiot...dumbo...what u r saying is A K Advani is PAKISTANI & MUSHARAF is Indian as they born in Presnt Pakistan & India respectively... it's same with Rajkumar...he is born Kannadiga..and remained as Kannadiga until his last breath.
RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by PREM JITH on Mar 07, 2008 10:36 AM
hema malini rekha vidya balan priyadarshan sabu cyril These are south indians
RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by Love on Mar 07, 2008 02:10 AM
Just for the record, you know India was invaded by Mughals and stuff!! Look at Aish or Deepika, do you think they're Karnatiks by origin?? Mughalism is pretty evident in both!!! I agree that we need to stick together though!!
RE:RE:People from other state in Tamil ?
by Sridhar Krishnamurthy on Mar 07, 2008 06:27 AM
Are you saying all beautiful ladies from karnataka are the great great grand children of Muhammad-bin-Tuglaq
RE:Rajni saar the undisputed King
by Nepolean on Mar 06, 2008 05:39 PM
He is the greatest star. His "Sivaji" is still running to packed housed in Japan, Newzealand, Brazil, Iceland, Turkey, Canada and Zimbabwe.
RE:Rajni saar the undisputed King
by Ajay Rao on Mar 07, 2008 01:04 AM
Also is UGANDA, KENYA, ITHIOPIA, CHILE, SOMALIA, IRAN, IRAQ, SYRIA and some say even in ANTARTICA.
RE:Rajni saar the undisputed King
by Sridhar Krishnamurthy on Mar 07, 2008 06:30 AM
Poor poor... Dr. Ajay thinks he is being sarcastic with above statement. Ajay, please do tell us why you construe this to be sarcastic?
welcome sir...if you have the right taste then you know about Kannada movies..go and check National award winning movies...Tamil has won only once and kannada has won 6 times till date..malayalam is taken it 7 times....
talking about quality...have you seen movies like avva, nai neralu, cyanide, gali pata...atelast have you heard of them...??
i am not telling that all kannada movies are great...there craps..but craps are there everywhere...just check rediff movie review on Tamil movies for this year...you can see plent of B grade movies... if Tamil industry has produced great actors like Kamal, Rajini, Vikram...Kannada has given actors like Raj Kumar,Anant Nag, Shankar Nag, Ramesh... If Kannada industry has craps like Kashinath, puneet raj kumar...Tamil has craps like Dhanush, Vijay...there is a big list...
Dude...it is your taste... if your intention is only to abuse others, god bless you. learn appreciate good things in life.. if you can't, at least learn to keep MUM
RE:to Truth Teller
by thiyagu aravind on Mar 07, 2008 12:44 AM
Konga ..really amazing and first time I can see such a meaningful discussion.No wonder how british used divide and rule policy on Indians.For everything they will fight.Good and bad are everywhere.Common people always accepting it.Maniratnam and AR Rehman are accepted by Northis.Rajini & prakashraj are widely accepted in TN.It shows normal people are not bothering whether you are from kannada or anywhere else.Dont spread the hatred among Indians.Good and Bad are everywhere.
RE:to Truth Teller
by Shiv Kumar B on Mar 06, 2008 04:53 PM
Well said dude.. Iam not a kannadiga but i love kannada & karnataka. Such a peace loving people. After all we all r indians everybody r proud of their language. If we love our language we should keep it ourselves. JAI HIND. Please dont abuse kannadigas or kannada movies.
RE:to Truth Teller
by Konga on Mar 06, 2008 05:05 PM
me abusing others?? that must be a joke Truth teller... Have you heard a movie called C/O footpath...just read the TOI today...you will get all the info ...it has been showcased in many internaional festivals....also nai neralu...do a simple google search with a key word - kannada movies in international festivals...you get all needed info....
finally ..my friend...point me to any forum in rediff where you see me abusing others :) NONE
RE:to Truth Teller
by Vasantgopal on Mar 06, 2008 11:32 PM
Konga-"me abusing others??" When you say that Tamil has won only one national award (knowing fully well how the political system in north india works against tamil)e.g.the great Sivaji Ganesan never won a national award but world over he was considered a genius. And when you say that ManiRatnam is living on past glory, when you don't even mention some of the greats and equate Kamal with Anant or Shankar Nag (sure they were talented but you have to be extremely biased to put them on the same pedestal as Kamal) And Raj Kumar (bless his soul) was a great singer, great person (except he fanned anti-Tamil hatred instead of bridging the gap) and superb in mythological characters, but not better than NT Rama Rao. So accept you are biased and don't take the moral high ground that you are not abusing others!
RE:to Truth Teller
by Mitchell on Mar 07, 2008 12:57 AM
Vasantgopal.
Sivaji has won national awards in 1993 for the film "thevar magan" alongside kamal hassan. But it ws a special jury award for best actor.
These special jury awards are like second best optional actors, as these awards wer given to prakash raj, anuphen kher,aamir khan, mohanlal, nedumudi venu, nagarjuna, satyajit ray(bengali and international director).
So sivaji ganeshan did gt his recognition and tht ws the only recognition in national awards.
Coincidently, whn kamal hassan won the 1992 filmfare south for best actor for the same movie. Filmfare south could have easily given an award for sivaji ganeshan thru his career in tamil films.
So don't blame it on national awards, whn he nvr got an awrd in the filmfare south tamil awards.
Moreovr, sivaji ganeshan ws recognizd by the governmnt whn they gave him the padma shri, padma bushan,dadasab phalke saab award.
RE:to Truth Teller
by Cool Mister on Mar 06, 2008 04:18 PM
Mr Konga, your post is a very nice example of how to properly use a discussion forum. There are no abuses or petty regionalism in your post contrary to some bad examples.
RE:to Truth Teller
by TruthTeller on Mar 06, 2008 04:29 PM
Welcome Mr Konga, Whether indian govt started giving national awards for worst movies? In what category kannada movie won 6 awards. Tamil has won only won? You have listed some big heros list. But no one knws outside karnataka. Whether any kannada movie is screened and international film festivals or how many kannada movies send to oscar?
I am not saying tamil movies are better than any other state movies.
If ur guys stopping abuse others then i will stop. Otherwise i will do.. I mn't a gandhi to keep quiet.
RE:to Truth Teller
by Konga on Mar 06, 2008 04:37 PM
Truth Teller: There are many kannada movies have been screened in international festivals.. and national awards: it is given for best movies...please go and check the stats... Kannada has won 6 times till date and tamil has won once...this is for the best movies category...
if you think people don't know actors like raj kumar, anant nag....i am sorry...many know them outside karnatakas as well...
and oscars - no indian movies have won osacr yet!!!
talent is talent...talent doesn't have a region, religion, color or race man...it is all same...grow up dude...stop abusing others...
RE:to Truth Teller
by Binoy Aravindakshan on Mar 06, 2008 05:19 PM
I know Ananth Nag and Girish Karnad are good actors. But Raj Kumar was known outside K'taka for getting kidnapped and not for his acting talents. Anyways blame it on the Karnataka media who do not generate publicity for the Kannada movie stars like the way Malayalam, Tamil or Telegu media does.
RE:to Truth Teller
by Konga on Mar 06, 2008 07:49 PM
Binoy...not only Anant Nag or Girish Karnad...there are many...Shankar Nag was a gem..Ramesh..even Ganesh is a good actor... and about RaJ Kumar..he is a great actor...if Rajini is god in TN and MohanLal in Kerala and Chiru in Andra...sameway Raj Kumar is treated here...respect people sentiment...
Had he wished, Raj Kumar would have become Karnataka CM long back...he was a good human being as well..
RE:to Truth Teller
by TruthTeller on Mar 06, 2008 04:53 PM
Dude Konga, Just tell me those movie names which are screened in international film festivals?
Winning oscar second thing before that movie shd be selected for send to oscar..
I have seen u in many forum sections in rediff and u have abused many people. Now u r saying that stop abusing others. Whether it is hurting u when someone is abusing ur ppl? Grow up dude and don't play double game here just remove ur mask.
Here after i shouldn't see ur name in abusing others in rediff forum if u r good human being then i will take ur suggestion.
RE:to Truth Teller
by krishnawith facts on Mar 06, 2008 09:36 PM
First brush up your movie knowledge.Have you heard of a great director called Girish kasaravalli.Calling mani ratnam a great director is simple for having a highly skilled team and great budgets behind him.Now a days he is selling his movies creating hype based on his past best films.Shankar is a big crap shooting movie for 3 years with same story again and again.The biggest masala industry is tamil but blames other languages to cover it.
RE:to Truth Teller
by on Mar 06, 2008 09:58 PM
Hey guys, Lets not fight between ourselves when these actors and film makers are utilising this to make money... Cool Guys and gals...
RE:RE:to Truth Teller
by krishnawith facts on Mar 06, 2008 09:38 PM
Inbetween the best masala director currently in tamil is Selvaraghavan taking soft porn movies in the name of reality.