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Apologise, start flights and then talk: Govt to pilots


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Besoora Gaayak
Unions shouldnt toe the line of politician-leaders ...
by Besoora Gaayak on May 14, 2012 03:51 PM

Politician led unions resort to agitations craftily schemed to further the leaders' own plans. So may be the case too with AI.
Here, however, it needs a carefull scrutiny to decipher who is actually (mis-)leading the pilots. Maybe Harvinder Singh is needed to be called out of imprisonment for one more cheeky slap!

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Rajesh Ojha
Forcing AI to shut the shop - only few senior pilots will gain
by Rajesh Ojha on May 13, 2012 11:29 PM

AI was already in miserable state of affair, few pilot-politicians have fanned this strike to totally stop.. probably these pilot-politicians would change the party and go there from where they are getting funded to do this... but what about the new & younger pilots.. and those crew members, ground handling guys .. they all will get screwed in the process...As History shows it everytime that all Govt owned PSUs/firms have gone sick and then out-of-business only because of these sponsored & orchestrated strikes by these so called self-centered guilds & unions.. the smaller ones in system realize only when their family starts suffering but by then it becomes too late... Hope better sense prevails and they find better ways to get their demand met...

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balaji
NATIONAL DISGRACE
by balaji on May 13, 2012 11:13 AM

This is a great opportunity to shut down this NATIONAL DISGRACE permanently. Those who ask " What about the thousands of employees who will be out of work " , the answer is with another question " What about the millions of helpless passengers ( Indians and others ) who have been held ransom, abused, misused and treated like dirt by this Airline , the past 40 years ? ". as for those staff who will lose their jobs, they can be paid some compensation and told to go home and the Airline can be given a permanent burial once and for all.

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RAKESH DIKSHIT
Air India - Govt Vs Pilots
by RAKESH DIKSHIT on May 12, 2012 06:56 PM

The battle of last year-same time, has begun once again-the pilots asking for more after the Taxpayers give doles 4 AI's bailout.

It is high time the Govt relinquishes its hold of this sector and allows it to be managed by its Board as any other PSU. The signs are very clear when the Minister sacks employees of a PSU directly and negotiates their issues not realising it is the role of PSU Board and its functional Directors. Interference is more severe.

Again as in the past - the MP's are very fond of interfering in such similar PSU's - remember Telecom 2G & 3G, Military procurement etc have been fraught with Scams and what not when ever the Govt is involved thru the Ministry.
Once the Pilots know they have to deal with professionals in the management they will understand their worth in terms of their salary and benefits vis a vis their roles and responsibilites within the specified rules they are be required to sign up on appointment.
Like in any PSU, the Executives are barred & they refrain from stiking work - these pilots have now got into their heads that they can also hold a Nation to ransom without following the norms of negotiations.
The Govt will do well to subdivide the entire Air India into functional organisations viz:
A. Air India for International Operations based out of Mumbai
B. Indian Airlines for domestic operations based out of Delhi
C. Maintenance and Technical & Ground Services organisation based from Nagpur
D. Aircraft Purchasing &

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kay
AI strike??
by kay on May 12, 2012 06:36 PM  | Hide replies

Pilots are reporting sick.They never said they were on strike.

Many condemn empl for the strike.Are empl always wrong?Look MUMBAI univ teachers are demanding a promised pay rise,Medical teachers are refusing to function during exams, etc.
Pilots feel that their careers would be affected...none wants careers to be shortened or stagnated.

Pilots course is costly (Rs 40-50 lakhs) and a new entrant with great difficulty(no jobs at present) gets abt 1 lac.

pl dont send yr children as pilots/flight pursers.

And how can AI cancel their licences? Can the HC lawyers degrees and licences be cancelled because they struck work?Can MU cancel degrees of teachers and doctors because they refuse to work at paltry wages/salary.Why does govt or univ or firms not pay accg to agreed formulae? Can RTO cancel licences of auto drivers because they refuse to run accg to passenger,or charge double the fare?

Are pilots truck drivers?They are graduates,with lot of hard work they get licences and run from pillar to post to get the licences in proper order despite many difficulties.They are the most responsible empl an airline can ever have.

Did Qantas staff not strike?Delta is in loss. Airline is in trouble but pilots or staff are not the cause.If BMC goes on strike then do we not suffer filth for days.Yes a strike brings difficulties in its wake.

The Mgmt shd be ever responsive not trying to bully the poor empl.

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SekharaM
Re: AI strike??
by SekharaM on May 13, 2012 07:59 PM
It is true that quite a few of airlines around the world are at a loss - but unlike Air India they take steps to correct the action within a short time.
Are the Pilots responsible for the AI losses - no, but they are an important segment of the operating staff of the employees. And they cannot shirk the responsibility for the poor image of the AI now. How many Indians living abroad like to fly by AI?
What actions have you suggested to reduce the losses incurred by AI? Instead you resist any attempt to revise the pay and incentives for pilots.
Pilots are not truck drivers - but they are not dropped from Heaven either. They cannot take the 'high road' to superior pay and perks when AI is running continuous losses.
What does a Management Graduate do if he finds the company is making losses? He will move to another company that offers better pay. If he cannot find another opening, he puts up with the policies of the company. He/she does not go on strike causing immense loss to the company.
Help AI clean up their stables and do not resort to strikes, if you claim that you are 'special' characters within the company.
If you feel that your careers would be affected, please leave AI and go somewhere else. Period. Many of you are making 3-5 lakhs a month and that is not a 'sacrifice' on your part? There are hundreds of airlines around the world and please start sending out your resume.
Public will not have sympathy when well-healed 'truck drivers' strike and create trouble.

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kay
AI strike??
by kay on May 12, 2012 06:08 PM

Pilots are reporting sick.They never said they were on strike.

Many condemn empl for the strike.Are empl always wrong?Look MUMBAI univ teachers are demanding a promised pay rise,Medical teachers are refusing to function during exams, etc.
Pilots feel that their careers would be affected...none wants careers to be shortened or stagnated.

Pilots course is costly (Rs 40-50 lakhs) and a new entrant with great difficulty(no jobs at present) gets abt 1 lac.

pl dont send yr children as pilots/flight pursers.

And how can AI cancel their licences? Can the HC lawyers degrees and licences be cancelled because they struck work?Can MU cancel degrees of teachers and doctors because they refuse to work at paltry wages/salary.Why does govt or univ or firms not pay accg to agreed formulae? Can RTO cancel licences of auto drivers because they refuse to run accg to passenger,or charge double the fare?

Are pilots truck drivers?They are graduates,with lot of hard work they get licences and run from pillar to post to get the licences in proper order despite many difficulties.They are the most responsible empl an airline can ever have.

Did Qantas staff not strike?Delta is in loss. Airline is in trouble but pilots or staff are not the cause.If BMC goes on strike then do we not suffer filth for days.Yes a strike brings difficulties in its wake.

The Mgmt shd be ever responsive not trying to bully the poor empl.

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kay
AI Strike
by kay on May 12, 2012 06:06 PM

Many condemn empl for the strike.Are empl always wrong?Look MUMBAI univ teachers are demanding a promised pay rise,Medical teachers are refusing to function during exams, etc.
Pilots feel that their careers would be affected...none wants careers to be shortened or stagnated.

Pilots course is costly (Rs 40-50 lakhs) and a new entrant with great difficulty(no jobs at present) gets abt 1 lac.

pl dont send yr children as pilots/flight pursers.

And how can AI cancel their licences? Can the HC lawyers degrees and licences be cancelled because they struck work?Can MU cancel degrees of teachers and doctors because they refuse to work at paltry wages/salary.Why does govt or univ or firms not pay accg to agreed formulae? Can RTO cancel licences of auto drivers because they refuse to run accg to passenger,or charge double the fare?

Are pilots truck drivers?They are graduates,with lot of hard work they get licences and run from pillar to post to get the licences in proper order despite many difficulties.They are the most responsible empl an airline can ever have.

Did Qantas staff not strike?Delta is in loss. Airline is in trouble but pilots or staff are not the cause.If BMC goes on strike then do we not suffer filth for days.Yes a strike brings difficulties in its wake.

The Mgmt shd be ever responsive not trying to bully the poor empl.

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piri
The average speed of long distance
by piri on May 12, 2012 05:18 PM  | Hide replies

express trains in India has remained an abysmal 45 to 50 km per hour for the last thirty years !

This is despite the fact that there has been so much ado over 'modernisation', 'rail track upgradation', 'safety enhancement', etc. and tremendous amounts of money has been invested from the national budget under different railway ministers of the UPA/NDA - each swearing everytime to bring in a 'fresh breath of air' to the carrier.

A journey by express train from say, Trivandrum to Lucknow took 56 hours then; and it takes 56 hours or more now !

Meanwhile the average speed of Chinese long distance trains more than doubled from an already high 65 km per hour in 1984 to roughly 140 kmph now ! As a result, common Chinese have been increasingly turning to the efficiently run railways for long distance travel.

Coupled with this fact, the Chinese govt. moved with very good foresight and acquired strategically vital control over very large petroleum reserves in different areas of the globe such as the former Soviet republics of Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgistan besides a number of oil-rich African countries such as Angola, Nigeria, Congo, etc. and in the South American oil giant Venezuela. This far reaching move has fetched them handsome returns in the form of assured and plentiful supply of crude oil for decades at stable and competitive prices (the Chinese crude import basket today costs only about 78 USD per barrel whereas the Indian one costs 115 USD!).

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piri
Re: The average speed of long distance
by piri on May 12, 2012 05:26 PM
These two factors together have led to a situation where the Chinese airline operators do not face the kind of situation Indian ones are doing now. The Chinese airlines are able to expand their operations in a gradual sustainable way and without the need to hike fares steeply and Chinese air travellers are not faced with the combination of limited seats and high fares that Indian travellers do.

All in all, it is yet another example of how the vain frog killed itself trying to become as big as the bull !

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piri
The average speed of long distance
by piri on May 12, 2012 05:18 PM

express trains in India has remained an abysmal 45 to 50 km per hour for the last thirty years !

This is despite the fact that there has been so much ado over 'modernisation', 'rail track upgradation', 'safety enhancement', etc. and tremendous amounts of money has been invested from the national budget under different railway ministers of the UPA/NDA - each swearing everytime to bring in a 'fresh breath of air' to the carrier.

A journey by express train from say, Trivandrum to Lucknow took 56 hours then; and it takes 56 hours or more now !

Meanwhile the average speed of Chinese long distance trains more than doubled from an already high 65 km per hour in 1984 to roughly 140 kmph now ! As a result, common Chinese have been increasingly turning to the efficiently run railways for long distance travel.

Coupled with this fact, the Chinese govt. moved with very good foresight and acquired strategically vital control over very large petroleum reserves in different areas of the globe such as the former Soviet republics of Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgistan besides a number of oil-rich African countries such as Angola, Nigeria, Congo, etc. and in the South American oil giant Venezuela. This far reaching move has fetched them handsome returns in the form of assured and plentiful supply of crude oil for decades at stable and competitive prices (the Chinese crude import basket today costs only about 78 USD per barrel whereas the Indian one costs 115 USD!).

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