What did TATA do for the poor of the country ? He bought big business outside India and what is in store for the poor of the country....nothin. Ratan Tata has reared pets like Niira Radia to get what he wants like 2G....spread corruption. He is a sore loser accusing people like AMBANI and others. Tata gifted a farm house outskirts of delhi to niira radia.......Tata brought stay on the niira radia and his tapes in supreme court........why ?
Re: TATA the loser !
by AJIT ANAND on May 28, 2011 05:33 PM
who gives more jobs to the citizens, more taxes to the govt., (that is what we receive from these sun of a guns)is greater.
Re: Re: TATA the loser !
by RokhPunThok on May 25, 2011 12:51 PM
It is Ratans choice not to increase his stake..... what can Mukesh or Ambani do..... It is Ambanis choice to spend their money....
Re: Re: Re: TATA the loser !
by krishnan menon on May 25, 2011 04:47 PM
whose money? theirs or their shareholders? howmuch is their contribution to reliance [i am not talking about the shares they own] what is their fiscal contribution to the group?
Re: Re: TATA the loser !
by vngpls on May 25, 2011 02:58 PM
You can also add introduction of civil aviation in India by Tatas (Naval Tata first pilot to bring air postal in India). Both Air India and Indian Airlines originally belonged to them.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Antilla - Its a hope
by RokhPunThok on May 25, 2011 12:47 PM
Good I appreciate your act.... Keep it up....
The other thing... no one can dictate anyones choice..... neither Warrens, Ambanis, your, mine etc...... It is the individuals choice how he treats his money..... and it is a perception..... Ex: Robin Hood: He looted and distributed the wealth maybe coz his conscience must not be permitting....
May be its true with Warren... He must be feeling he is looting people and hence he should donate.... Perception my friend... and choice
Re: Re: Re: Re: Antilla - Its a hope
by RokhPunThok on May 25, 2011 12:47 PM
Good I appreciate your act.... Keep it up....
The other thing... no one can dictate anyones choice..... neither Warrens, Ambanis, your, mine etc...... It is the individuals choice how he treats his money..... and it is a perception..... Ex: Robin Hood: He looted and distributed the wealth maybe coz his conscience must not be permitting....
May be its true with Warren... He must be feeling he is looting people and hence he should donate.... Perception my friend... and choice
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Antilla - Its a hope
by Pradip on May 25, 2011 01:01 PM
Rokh - pls understand. It is not me or you winning an argument. Neither of us become great by that.
The point is that if you have immense wealth, let us all try to live a somewhat i repeat somewhat frugal life. If a rich man does not care for the poor, let him/her not. Let the poor not feel that they are living in abject poverty while the rich live in such exotic luxury.
Re: Re: Antilla - Its a hope
by whatswrongpeople on May 25, 2011 12:40 PM
First of all the SAGE is richer than AMBANI ......Let Ambani make himself richer than the SAGE then he also might become SAGE .....why worry now lets all pray that AMBANI should become richer than SAGE himself ! hehehehehe
Re: Re: Re: Antilla - Its a hope
by Pradip on May 25, 2011 12:43 PM
FYI - When RIL shares reached 3000 Rs. in 2008 at a time when sensex was 21000, Mukesh Ambani was the richest man for a very short period of time in the world with a net worth of 63 billion dollars.
Does that satisfy you...
Ambani was richer than the SAGE at that time...is it not?
Re: Antilla - Its a hope
by Ramesh G on May 25, 2011 12:42 PM
Rokh....... Do u really think that Ambani will let other competitors grow? They will kill the competetion to ensure that they remain on the top. they are dictating terms to a lot of industries and particularly the plastic industry. If they are really astute businessmen with ethics and morals then they will let the competetion to survive.
why do we target ambani.. do'nt we all aspire for a bigger house, car, etc.. no one tells us what should be our spending limit.. we d'nt buy a smaller house or car or practice austerity just because millions live in slums by this logic so many rich people living in fancy south mumbai should downgrade their lifestyle just because of poverty in mumbai.. ambani's choice of home and lifestyle is pretty much the same as ours ..where we spend as much as we can afford to..and aspire for better things in life.. be it a phone, travel, house, car..etc
IF THE EDITOR F THIS ARTICLE EARNS 100000 PER MONTH HE CAN AFFORD A 50 LAC HOUSE AND A MARUTI SWIFT SO DOES MUKESH AMBANI WHO EARNS 100000 PER 30 SECONDS SO HE CAN AFFORD A 400 CRORE HOUSE AND A MAYBACK WHTS WRONG IN THAT HE DOES WHT HE EARNS PEOPLE SHUD RISE QUESTION ON THE GROWING INDIAN MIDLE CLASS WHO VERY OFTEN SPEND MORE THAN THEY EARN IN MARRIAGES ETC ETC
Re: Re: THIS DEBATE IS RIDICULOUS
by Zero Degree on May 25, 2011 03:16 PM
Mr Pradip, good arguments. I feel few thing r missing in whole: 1- Can Ambani's wealth be considered a personal? 2- He earned it because of tremendous support from social, national & 1000s of employees. 3- He made it by using national resources, which belongs to all Indians. 4- Many times govt. appears favored Reliance in policy making. 5- Reliance has many subsidiaries which might have created for tax evasion purpose only
And finally, show me one who did worked with full of honesty and earned in billions. Definitely, no one will find a single person.
So poor Indians definitely deserves a small pie of Ambani's wealth.
Re: Re: Re: THIS DEBATE IS RIDICULOUS
by Rythm on May 26, 2011 10:22 AM
These natural resources and social and national resources are available to everyone. How come there's only one Dirubhai Ambani
It is ironical that slums running parallel to electric train route has virtually sealed any future scope for clean Mumbai.The immigrants who came to Mumbai in millions were made to build shanties with support from politicians & mafia are now legal occupants of what was railway land.The way city has been crushed with illegal constructions & unbearable population pressure will certainly cause in near future a disaster of unbelievable magnitude
Re: Re: Slums in mumbai are illegal structures occupying govt lan
by madan menon on May 25, 2011 12:38 PM
to some extent you are right, but NOT all the slum dwellers are not poor..once get an alternate accommodation they will quietly give the place on rent and will OCCUPY some other 'vacant' place. they are also more greedy..for freebies..
Re: Re: Re: Slums in mumbai are illegal structures occupying govt
by pradeep agarwal on May 25, 2011 12:45 PM
Mennon, The policy of allowing illegal encroachment to be legalised has caused huge tracts of slums.The mafia first make people occupy the place & than use its political connections to get it regularized.The only way forward is not to let this happen through strict action against officials & politicians.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Slums in mumbai are illegal structures occupying
by Abhi Bhat on May 25, 2011 01:06 PM
I agree now. But this is not what you had said earlier so i got irritated.
Re: Re: Slums in mumbai are illegal structures occupying govt lan
by Baingan Bharta on May 25, 2011 05:27 PM
How many children does each of this slum dweller have? Considering the fact that they don't have a roof over their heads, cannot afford 2 square meals a day, they still breed !! They could be equated with animals or may be worse than them ? Animals don't have brains slum dwellers do.
Re: Re: Slums in mumbai are illegal structures occupying govt lan
by pradeep agarwal on May 25, 2011 12:42 PM
U seems to be mentally sick.Go & get treated in an asylum before being caught by BMC.
No doubt , all our industrialists are corrupt TATA is one of them , mukesh is not intelligent enough to hide his riches, If TATA.s wealth spread across the world is unearthed it would be several times that of Ambanis
Re: tata
by pradeep agarwal on May 25, 2011 12:03 PM
U seems to be a person with very limited knowledge on how industrial houses operate?Tata r the last honest business house in India & comparing their dealings with Ambanis who laid the foundation of a corrupt Indian bureaucracy can be described at best as insane.
Re: Re: tata
by atul on May 25, 2011 12:23 PM
Mr Pradeep, u seem to have limited knowledge. There are enough proof with the investigation agencies of how corrupt our Corporates are including TATA, only problem her is most of the bureucrats and almsost all politicans are the same. So its difficult for the investigation team to disclose the same(as even them most are corrupt or under too much pressure). Dont get sentimental about TATAs every buisness man is involved in some form of corruption and malpratices. If we understand it better for us.
Re: Re: Re: tata
by pradeep agarwal on May 25, 2011 12:47 PM
Atul, Can u say for sure that u have never sinned/this kind of assumption on a clean industrial house is ridiculous way of thinking.
Re: Re: Re: Re: tata
by atul on May 25, 2011 05:58 PM
Well seem to change u r stance every now and then earlier in ur comment u said "Tata r the last honest business house in India" and now u say "this kind of assumption on a clean industrial house is ridiculous" first take one stance and then speak. I am only saying dont get sentimental for these guys. Better support people like Anna Hazare and Medha Patkar who knows of the pain a poor mans goes thru.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tata
by pradeep agarwal on May 25, 2011 08:05 PM
There is no change in my stand which remains that Tata are the most honest industrial house in India.Let us not bring Medha in discussion who is on payroll of those who want India to suffer.She has caused immense problems for country by her agitations that delayed projects causing loss in billions.Tata have provided dignified employment to lacs in country & deserve great respect
