Bio-deisel can be created in colleage level lab. We had done this as part of our engineering project. Govt. is not spending enough to build or promote sutiable engines b'coz all of them get good foreign motivation for not doing so. Petrol-Economy key holders around the world bribe corrupted Govt. of differnt country and obviously we are ahead of all.
Perhaps you are not aware. Last 2-3 years, there has been a greatly reduced production & availability of Industrial grade alcohol, so there is none available to blend in petrol
Re: Ethanol in petrol
by Parichay on Jul 27, 2010 02:32 PM
just asking for knowledge ... what is the reason of this scacity ... is it natual or created vaccum?
Re: Re: Ethanol in petrol
by dhananjay kritu on Jul 27, 2010 04:12 PM
Due to poor monsoon & lower sugar prices -- this year it is expected to be more - as prices have risen, so also interest of sugar farmers & sugar mills. So you can see it is not consistent
I Guess We R The Biggest Slave, Dnt Hv Sense Of Our Own.. Now Western Countries Started barking On Green Issues We Also Strted Debating On Tht, Otherwise we Needed To Follow Tht Out Very Earlier.. Mark My Words, When Western Will Experiment & Invent More Better Options On Our Ayurveda Then We wl Also Start Screaming On It.. Y The Hell Our Bloody Govt Dnt Support Inventors Like kanak Gogoi, Y The Hell Our Talent Go Abroad..?? The Whole fact Is Tht We Dnt Hav anything To Do On our own basis.. World's Very First & Old Indian Civilised People Adopted The Bio Technique Fr Everthing Ryt Frm The Cultivation, Manufacturing Iron To Clothes.. After Leaning Frm Us These English Men Created Evrthing Artificial & Full Of Chemical Components.. Nw whn They Bloody Barking On Global Warming, We Dumb new Generation follower of Western Culture Strted Debating On It... Arnt we Have capable talent To provide better Option On Ethanol Or In evrything..??, We Do Have But We Realise Only when Our own talent Go Abroad & Discover The product.. Big shame..
ethanol is the end product of sugar production... so it aint going to affect the amount of sugar we produce. ofcourse it will affect the cheap liquor industry from which govt. draws a lot of revenue.... ethanol comes from molasses... read properly u fools
Re: to all blind fellas
by achtung baby on Jul 27, 2010 11:52 AM
because of hysterical fellows like u guys sharad pawar sees an opportunity in everything... even after reading the article u cannot figure out what EBP is all about he will say sugar prices have to be hiked to supply cheap fuel ... some gimmick to fool the fools...
Re: Re: to all blind fellas
by Argumentative Indian on Jul 27, 2010 12:00 PM
Won't more acerage come under sugarcane cultivation, to produce more 'End Product' Ethanol?
What has been the experience of Brazil in this regard? Has the acreage under corn cultivation degrown, remained steady or grown exponentially?
In India, it is against our culture to bring more land under cultivation, so by necessity we will displace other crops to grow more sugarcane.
We have among the largest stocks of Coal on earth. Coal burning thermal power plants are the cheapest source of energy on earth at present. I don't give a rat's butt about the environment, till the Americans & Western Europeans continue to live like kings.
India is an overpopulated & continuously overpopulating country. We need to get more acreage under food cultivation.
We also need to focus on Green Technology, like solar power & wind power, my diatribe against rich nations, notwithstanding, because sooner or later we will be forced to get into these areas.
So lets try to get leadership in solar & wind power and till then, happily burn as much coal as we can.
Re: For INDIA is Ethanol Cheaper or Electric Cars?
by Atanu Chatterjee on Jul 27, 2010 12:07 PM
you are taking it to another level which probably is not necessary in the current context. We should rather look at ourselves and evaluate the situation. As you mentioned, we are over populated state, and we are prospering. More and more people can now afford car. And if it goes on like this more another 10 years, there would be no place to drive, let alone the price of fuel and the pollution it would create which would impact everybody. This wouldn't be the case in western countries as their population is either decreasing or almost constant.
There's no harm in having a personal car and using it little diligently like weekend shopping, long-driving, short tour etc and having a great public transport system(in terms of AC buses, metros, car-pool etc) to be used on daily basis.
Re: Re: For INDIA is Ethanol Cheaper or Electric Cars?
by Argumentative Indian on Jul 27, 2010 04:54 PM
I have no problems, Sir, in using great transport system, AC Buses, metros etc., however, I really don't think I'll biologically survive the approximately 1500 years that it would require our government to achieve this.
I tried car pooling with some colleagues. It was really good fun, we all almost got ourselves new wives. It happened like this, most of us report to the same department head, who is a Hard Working Person, staying in offish for at least 12 hours. He needs some or the other of us to stay, or else how he will work hard? So earlier when we used to drive our own vehicles, my colleagues their responsible matchboxes, and me my irresponsible, oversized, gas guzzling, 100 HP Sedan, we used to go home late, around twice or thrice a week. Now when we all returned together, waiting for the Hard Worker to finish, we all have the pleajure of returning home at around 10 pm, daily. Our wives gently suggested we look up the remarry website, but seeing as how we don't get American salaries, we just decided to stop car pooling.
Re: Re: Re: For INDIA is Ethanol Cheaper or Electric Cars?
by BR on Jul 28, 2010 02:20 AM
Hahahah! This is a good post. Satire, pun....GReat Indian Laughter Challenge worthy.
Re: For INDIA is Ethanol Cheaper or Electric Cars?
by BR on Jul 28, 2010 02:22 AM
I support food cultivation to vehicle owning. Trains were my favourite mode, but since the lalus and yadavs took over, it is my least favourite. SO, mass transit should be focussed upon with green technology.
There are several research institutes in INDIA, who has invented car and motor bikes which can run on water, Instead of working with all nonsense strategy,economy,politics, One should be able to get clearance to run such vehicles on the roads and be free from all hiccups.
Obviously the authors do nt know the fact that the Oil PSUs are already blending ethanol into gasolene. However we cannot blend beyond a certain limit, because of the fact that the engines are not designed for high level of ethanol. Too much of ethanol corrodes the engine and makes it unusable. There are chemicals that can prevent the corrosion due to ethanol, but that will add the price of gasolene and will be unviable. Secondly there are other issues like using too much of ethanol in fuel will put pressure on Sugarcane price, followed by sugas price followed by food price inflation. I expect rediff to use only experts view for such articles, not some reports prepared by Babus.
Re: This is a laymans view
by achtung baby on Jul 27, 2010 11:45 AM
i think u didnt read the article properly... the guy was discussing just the same doubts u expressed. read properly next time
Re: next article would say...
by Krishna on Jul 27, 2010 05:05 PM
Fuel would be saved, but the vehicles will get destroyed. We can dump 6% in arabian sea, 4% in Indain ocean and 7% in Bay of bengal.
Re: next article would say...
by Rajesh Modi on Jul 27, 2010 11:34 AM
it is how India must reduce prices of sugar, rice, dal etc that should be priority of New Delhi.
hi, from the day one nitish govt in bihar is trying for ethanol production but sharad pawar is not giving permission.MMs is silent as ever. first you have a same policy for all the country then decide what to do.
It seems that the author does'nt have any work to do and is using his free time to write NONSENSE. Even before propaganding about ETHANOL based fuel, he should have factored in all the other aspects. Already the COMMON MAN is suffering the blunt of INFLATION and this STUPID is favoring ETHANOL (AGRO) based FUEL. If he is so concerned then why not promote a CAMPAIGN to BAN or atleast CURB a rise of PRIVATE VEHICLES and promote PUBLIC TRANSPORT which will not only save fuel, but also MONEY and our EARTH'S OZONE and help curb INFLATION and POLLUTION. Rediff Guys, C'mon wake up and atleast u guys put in your effort by publishing articles to HELP OUR "GREEN PLANET" instead of this NONSENSE
Re: What Nonsense
by Argumentative Indian on Jul 27, 2010 11:38 AM
I love my car and am unwilling to trade it in for a rattly bus, with a 3rd grade, rude conductor and a driver who will stopp in the middle of the road, at least 20' away from the bus stop, forcing old people, pregnant women to RUN 20' to get into that crap box.
First make the Americans and Europeans, including the Brits, who built their wealth by looting my forefathers from mid 1600s to early 1900s give up their personal cars and then come and BS me about public transport.
Re: What Nonsense
by Atanu Chatterjee on Jul 27, 2010 11:58 AM
I agree...enhancing the public transsport facilities would kill this problem at the root
Re: What Nonsense
by Argumentative Indian on Jul 27, 2010 11:39 AM
Apart from public transport, I agree with the other part of your post, I think agri fuel in an overpopulated 3rd world country is stupid, we need more food, not more ethanol.
