Are our Economic Experts MMS,Chindu,FM Mookerjee and Devra sleeping ?They are interested in increasing Petrol Price. When action will be taken ? Is it like hanging Afzal ? Is there pressure from Porki Saudi ?
This suggestion to use ethanol is very short sighted suits best to our short sighted goveraments.producing ethonal causes too much polution, does not bring down cost much and only 10 to 15% of patrol can be saved with it. Put that money on natual/renewable energy resources like Solar/wind etc. and pramote genune research on these kind of technologies. Contain curruption and improve roads/train network and public transportation. Improve road/train safty.Improve security for people. This will resolve our problems. These are very much possible if we, people of INDIA should take lead and make this possible instead of doing chamchagiri and standing in Q for free bees ...
Re: This suggestion to use ethanol is very short sighted not good
by sanjeev singh on Jul 28, 2010 11:44 AM
ur sugestions are good but for ur information govt already is investing huge mony in solar and wind but they are inefficent technologies as of now. Producing ethnaol does not pollute is done effecintly and with good feedstock. even saving 10-15 % petrol is very good as the will now go to farmers rather than oil sheikhs sitting in middle east. hope you know which is better. Brazil has lamost replaced 50% crude oil with ethanol sucessfully. and having a doemstic energy source is always better for country's energy security
Re: Re: This suggestion to use ethanol is very short sighted not
by thoughtfulindian on Aug 01, 2010 02:51 AM
Be careful before u support ethanol..The net energy is very low i.e. the energy it takes to produce one gallon of ethanol and the energy u get by burning it..secondly, it is very clearly evident by the experience in west that it leads to higher food inflation because farmers would tend to produce more of fuel crops than food grains...it becomes even more important for India because we have limited land, loads of poeple and that leaves little for producing fuel crops...It surely is unsustainable in long term..In usa it is the farmers lobby that supports it because they get subsidies and more revenue ..they dont care about inlfation..had it not been for severe recession, the price rise in agro commodities would have continued unabated..
Re: This suggestion to use ethanol is very short sighted not good
by Nimish on Jul 28, 2010 07:40 AM
I agree. I see Rediff these days have been casting a lot of opinion. Wont be surprised if some big giant who is in need to set its foot print in the Indian petroleum industry is behind this article.
If public transportable is made effecient and cities more commutable, we can save on Oil Imports, Pollution and its ill-effects. Instead of this media, corporates and policy makers say use this instead of that. Next they will make us to use bio-fuel which affects availability of food to the people. Even people should be responsible to think wisely instead of getting into herd mentality. We are far most educated, informative and effecient than the before generations. Please think and spread the word around.
please do not use sugarcane for ethanol. It will cause the price of sugar to rise further. Sugar is not cheap. Jaggery is used by middle and poor classes and it is expensive presently.
It is better instead to discourage cars and tax them heavily to limit their use and at the same time improve public transport like in China, Japan, Europe.
Re: this is a bad idea
by BR on Jul 28, 2010 02:28 AM
Look, there are only few lands which can make sugarcane - UP , Punjab , Maharashtra . And granary crops are planted on the same soil after the sugarcane harvest . These lands grow 3 crops every year - sugfacane, wheat/rice , soyabean/lentils. The soyabean and alfaalfa crop is used in many cases as fertiliser to the soil for the next crop. Even if sugarcane becomes lucrative, regions such as North-east, or hilly areas and watery areas will not grow quality sugarcane.
Re: this is a bad idea
by Ekalavyan Acharyan on Jul 27, 2010 08:54 PM
I'm not an expert on ethanol.. but surely eating less sugar is healthy! Less diabetics, less money for doctors and pharamceutical companies.. So, I'm alright with high prices for sugar.. :)
Re: Re: this is a bad idea
by kieran dsouza on Jul 27, 2010 09:40 PM
In that case, use the agricultural area for rice, wheat, jowar instead of sugarcane if it is unhealthy. But do not use agricultural land for ethanol and compromise our food security.
This has a lot of opposition in US also where corn, which can feed millions is proposed to be converted to ethanol.
Imagine a fat cat running his car with fuel that could feed millions. It is just a bad idea
Re: Re: this is a bad idea
by Raj Reddy on Jul 28, 2010 02:12 AM
Dude... Sugar does not cause Diabetis. It's the fat and carbohydrates. And they are in abundance in all our Indian foods.
Re: Re: Re: this is a bad idea
by BR on Jul 28, 2010 02:23 AM
Once you are in high sugar consuming range, the body gradually loses its potential to digest carbs, and then carbs with higher sugar content cause diabetes.
Re: Re: this is a bad idea
by Pushpesh Joshi on Aug 01, 2010 07:01 PM
Absurd statement, diabeties is not due to eating more sugar / sweets, it is becuase of a genetic disorder in body that reduces the production of insulin that helps digest / convert sugar in body to glucose / energy. Not eating sugar or reducing intake is a post diabetes symptom.
Re: Re: this is a bad idea
by BR on Jul 28, 2010 02:22 AM
I am alright too with higher sugar price. Sugar has been the curse for all indian health problems , after water issues.
Re: this is a bad idea
by Ramasubramaniam Iyer on Jul 28, 2010 02:43 AM
Dude who are you to tell people not to drive cars. Instead Solar cars and fuel efficient cars should be encouraged.If everyone uses a public transport then those public transport also need fuel they are not fuel efficient
Re: Re: Re: this is a bad idea
by Ramasubramaniam Iyer on Jul 28, 2010 06:25 AM
Not necessary if there is mechanism to recycle energy. Even Electric hybrids need Electric charging stations which in turn cannot only be provided by hydro electricity. May be the charging stations can be solar powered.
Friends, remember, the electricity grid, which is underpowered during the day, is power surplus, at least in urban areas, during the night, when a lot of heavy industrial machinery, commercial air conditioning and most critically, lighting load is very less. However, power cannot be stored, we cannot afford such large battery banks at a central point.
BUT, large battery banks can be afforded individually, these are called car batteries and can be charged individually.
Ethanol has problems . 1)It needs huge area of cultivated Sugar canes 2)It will push up food price inflation. 3)Prices need to be subsidised by goverment intervention 4)An Equal amount of fossil fuels needed for production and transportation of these fuels
Re: new product
by Phani Mohan Krishna on Jul 29, 2010 10:16 AM
Have been vociferously propagating Bio ethanol for almost 7 years GOI has been successful in denting Ramnaiks Policy, kindly see my various presentations on several Global forums. No Policy maker is serious to accept longterm benfits.
