We have to face the reality. Private company won't go to Rural areas untill you give them cheaper infrastructure, SEZs and they hope to make some profit. Otherwise why would they risk invest their money. Would you ? Once developed like Mumbai then they are ready to buy offices at market rate because they know the return or profit is guranteed. We have no choice since prmotoing SEZs is only way pvt company can go there and create jobs and income for people. Also they create wealth for society. Its high time we give up old stupid socialist/communist ideology. we have wasted enough time on that.
MsAruna Roy is worried about entry into SEZ,elections,labor law etc.She has totally over lookeda basic point..the Government is forcibly snatching the land from the poor farmers( who have been depending on their land for generations) in the name of development..it is like snatching food from the sparrow and feeding the Eagles.The compensation paid by the Govt. is just peanuts when compared to the income generated by the farmer .There are instances where the compensation is swallowed by the corrupt officials driving the farmers to suicide.If the Govt. thinks setting up industries alone is development and starts converting all agricultural land into SEZs we may have to go with a begging bowl for food grains...reminding us of PL 480 under which India got food grains and Milk powder from USA till early 1960s.God save my country from these senseless officials who brought out the concept of SEZ.
Re: SEZs...poor farmers.and rich Industrialists
by acharya buddhimaan on Oct 19, 2009 01:49 AM
Hello Vijaya vittal,
Why do you want to see farmers in poverty for generations, why are so unkind to farmers? You guys join companies and earn lakhs per annum, while poor farmers want to earn only thousands per annum that too if water is there.
Why do not farmers sell their land and get suitable compensation and join a job like you and me?
People like you have made India to remain backward for centuries and you are aiming again for future also!
Re: Re: SEZs...poor farmers.and rich Industrialists
by Atanu Chatterjee on Oct 19, 2009 03:47 AM
It can be explained in such a way that, these so called activists do not exist without poverty & poor people. And these people understand that.It seems they have vested interest in shaping up their political career and in the process they are just using the farmers and poor people.
Re: Re: Re: SEZs...poor farmers.and rich Industrialists
by vijaya vittal on Oct 19, 2009 08:29 AM
Dear Budhiman,Kaul,Chatterjee and DS, it is ridiculous the way you think..I want my country to prosper not by doling out hundreds of acres to the industrialists making farmers virtual beggars.Do you mean to say that these farmers are taken care of fully by snatching their land..I know many instances where the compensation does not reach these poor farmers.Perhaps .you have not seen the instances of farmers commiting suicides..Go to Mahbubnagar District in A.P. that will give you a full picture of what is happening in the name of development and SEZs.I am not against SEZs but let the Govt allot excess/surplus land by providing infrastructure but not by snatching the land under cultivation.My friends I hope would agree with me after this clarification.
Re: Re: Re: Re: SEZs...poor farmers.and rich Industrialists
by acharya buddhimaan on Oct 25, 2009 07:22 PM
Vijaya Vittal,
How double standard you are? How much immoral and a hypocrite you are? You are writing on a computer with a power source and still talking against industries as if you are a very pious supporter of farmers. You are using computer, power generation industries, equipments, your vehicle all are part of industries which requires acres of land. Farmers too need electricity and equipments to carry out their farming which again depends on setting out industries. The western countries are superdeveloped not because of farmers or farmland but because of industries and services. Come on look at communist China - a ideology which boasts of protecting the interests of farmers and peasants. The concept of SEZ is from China and if China can get acres of land and become an economic superpower why not India? And how do you think India become prosperpous without industries and land for setting the same? Are ou visualizing an India prosperpous without industries!!!
Now back to the comment on farmers as beggars. Which part of India have farmers turned beggars because of not giving suitable compensation. Come to Gurgaon and Delhi where the same farmers have sold their small land holdings to industries and real estate and today they are 100 times richer than you. COME AND SEE FIRST AND THEN COMMENT!
Dear friend, before typing against setting up of industries be sure that you are not using the equipments like computer hardware, kitchen ware, bathroom fittings, pen etc...
It is easy for anyone to highlight the problems of any approach? Why can’t these people talk about the solution? India needs investment that has potential to employ people in mass numbers. Opposing the SEZ just on the basis of fundamental rights of free movement is not a solution. It does more harm than good. SEZ is kind of a private property of owners who buy the stake in it. Can anyone enter into anyone’s property or a factory without getting the necessary approval? Off course not, then why so much fuss about entry into the SEZ?
Re: What is the solution?
by Kamlesh Shah on Oct 19, 2009 01:52 AM
Mr. Singh, No one is against the development but not at the risk of depriving farmers fertile land on the name of development. The solution is let the developers to pay market price of land & atlest ensure gaurantee for the one or more family members employment from the sez owner (depends upon the present surviver persons positions on that land )for atlest ten years or minimum years untill it gets tax free benefits from the government.Also cost benefit ratio for the sez to be calculated considering life of survival farmer's family. Other way is to set up sez on the ungrowing / aren government land with minimum employement gaurantee for that region people.
Re: Re: What is the solution?
by Atanu Chatterjee on Oct 19, 2009 04:43 AM
thats right, Lets take up the issue of those who would provide land, make sure they get proper price etc and also as a longer term measure, parallelly there should a comprehensive plan to educate or provide vocational training to the rural uneducated mass to make them employable. This has a cascading effect and we can grow as a nation. However we shouldnt oppose the very idea of industrialization & SEZ as being done by so called activists with vested interests.
As they help people like Premji, Murthy to name a few at the cost of millions of poor farmers. I do not understand why would a software company need thousands of acres of land. Are they going to set up a factory or what?? India is a small country compared to population , and these cronies are determined to grab land at any cost so that they can make profits at future dates. disgusting..
Re: SEZ should be scrapped
by Atanu Chatterjee on Oct 19, 2009 04:50 AM
You might have a point, even i would disagree an orgn grabbimg land for future value increase. But the basic idea of industrialization & therefore having SEZ shouldnt be defeated for the sole reason that it creates job, both direct & indirect. With the current labor law, which couldnt be amended, nobody ould like to invest in india, unless we create SEZ and apply special law there.
Re: SEZ should be scrapped
by virat on Oct 19, 2009 01:36 AM
Morons like you make the internet a joke. For the freedom that it provides. No. None of these companies ever grabbed lands like your netas did with impunity. Ruffle your local MLS and he will shed 100 acres. What Infosys wanted was about 9 acres of land (mind you thats not cultivated for the last five years). What Infosys wanted was about 3 acres land (which again was not cultivated for 5 years). They are not encroaching on your paddy. They are employing your sons and daughters who go PHOREN and earn dollars where by you buy your first air conditioner.
Not knowing subject is one thing. Ranting like an idiot and believing what you rant is another.
There are swarms of low life creatures 10 out of 10 in politics who like vultures, grab lands and regularize illegal constructions when in power. Infy and Wipro have nothing to them. You neither have the power not the courage to challenge these termites who dominate your life.
What you illeterate desperados need is your 15 minutes. You would do pretty much every thing.
As these farmers what they were growing before they got 10 lacs an acrer which otherwise would cost 25 thousand ? Weed ?
India is sorry figure because of person like her. Whole world is giving space to private company, developing infrastructure so that they can creat jobs for locals. How else can we promote economic growth without SEZ. They are modern temple. that brings better life standard for people. we should respect it. not bring stupid socialist ideology that has fooled us for 50 years.
Re: SEZ are modern temple for india's new future.
by Kamlesh Shah on Oct 19, 2009 01:59 AM
Manojkumar, When you going to loose all & only souce of income by these developers than you will hate such temples. The pain only observed who gone thro not by the people talking only so called ideal matters on paper.
Re: Re: SEZ are modern temple for india's new future.
by Atanu Chatterjee on Oct 19, 2009 05:00 AM
But we see the opposites. it provides job to the educated & skilled people like you & me. If we can plan & execute properly to educate & provide vocational training to poor uneducated people and make them employabl, we can change the fate of india as a nation. The industrialists are much bigger social worker than these so called activists. These activists are actually holding india's progress by misguiding people, for their vested interests to be served.
I am a conservative. I too feel SEZ's are undemocratic. They are the outcome of crony capitalism. In most cases SEZ's take away freedom of opportunity from the poor.
Re: SEZ fraud
by Atanu Chatterjee on Oct 19, 2009 05:02 AM
SEZ shows the way to prosperity. You can imrpove upon the process of grabbing land, but please dont oppose the idea of industrialization.
Re: SEZ fraud
by acharya buddhimaan on Oct 19, 2009 01:29 AM
Shut up Bireshwar Bannerjee. You require capitalism to travel to West. You need capitalism to send your children to West. You need industries for jobs for u r children. But not for others and SEZ has to be closed.
China being a communist country has created vast SEZ and you are pretending as if India is undemocratic. Had India been communist by this time you would have been jailed and SEZ would have taken off faster than what it is today!
Re: sen and bedi >Re: SEZ
by Happy Indian on Oct 19, 2009 12:34 AM
You people are no saints. You people will kill all those animals in the forest, destroy all the plants and wildlife, and sell them to foreigners. Then you will whine that you are backward because Indian govt is discriminating you blah blah blah........
Re: sen and bedi >Re: SEZ
by D S on Oct 18, 2009 09:23 PM
last thing we need are these Angrez _colonialist trained wrong sorts of elite that control and hound media
Please do not oppose development. Yes, try and ensure a better deal for the farmers and the workers - but please do not oppose the project starightaway. Because, if we lose the project, the farmers or workers will not have any deal at all!
Some of these people opposed Nano Project at Singur, which resulted in untold miseries in the lives of those who looked forward to livelihoods centring this project. So, do these people really care for India or the Indians?
These people fail to understand the basic character of our economy. Our economy is still heavily loaded with agrarian features and a thrust ie required to move over to the industrail mode for rapid and effective development. How can that be achieved except with a set of new laws and new approaches - for instance, the SEZs?
Let us not forget that in the present unipolar world, it is necessary - at least for the time being - to allow the investors to create more jobs in the market, because in the changed eco-politico scenario, it is not possible for the government to create more jobs. So, how to create those jobs, if we go on quarreling with the basic principle of an investor-friendly policy? Do the people like Aruna Roy not feel that the function of a government is to create suitable conditions for employability?
Re: The True Facts
by vinay kapur on Oct 18, 2009 07:47 PM
Why not start off by handing over your land and property to government for development? Then talk.
Re: Re: The True Facts
by Haramohan Roy on Oct 18, 2009 09:05 PM
Let's hope that you understand the difference between handing over and requisition for a project!
Moreover, how do you think that all the projects were carried out in the past - from the railways to airports to metro rail or industrial plants or even hotels or malls? My dear friend, all these things took place on LAND acquired!
Try inventing a formula for setting up these things without acquiring land!!
Re: Re: The True Facts
by acharya buddhimaan on Oct 19, 2009 01:35 AM
Abe Vinay, bewkoof,
Even my land come in the way of SEZ, I will ask for suitable compensation and give up the land for the sake of country...!!
I do not think selfish like you. Remember the land value in Delhi is so much that poor farmers who used to depend on meagre Rs 50000 per annum now have become crorepati after they gave up land in Gurgaon/Delhi and you are no where near to them..!!
Re: Re: The True Facts
by Haramohan Roy on Oct 18, 2009 09:46 PM
DS, surely you can, at the risk of showing the true nature of your culture and education.
There is no denying that the investors make profit, sometimes even by questionable means. But, let us for a second pause and try to imagine a world from where investors are banished and not allowed to make profits.
Don't you think that - with that - jobs will vanish too?
For this simple understanding, we may not require people with your level of culture, people with my level of idiocy will suffice!!
Re: Re: The True Facts
by Premson Baby on Oct 19, 2009 12:57 AM
Yes good thinking!! True business is for profit.. and from that profit each month you and me getting salery, if they dont have profit you and me dont have food... lets think in that way, and work hard for the company in which you are working... and please stop talking all the rubish things, its enough.
Recently I have visited the sites near by delhi where in Faridabad HSIDC has captures the firtile lands from the farmers and sold them off to industries...at the 7 time higher rates...and near Yamuna Express highway whre the UP Govermnent has captured the land of 800 Vilages.... Boss my question of what we will eat... y the moron govt has no policy of baning the capturing of the fertile land for SEZs... whats wrong with the land in Rajasthan and infertile land of eastern UP and MPs.....
Re: SEZ are need of the Hour but not at the cost of....
by acharya buddhimaan on Oct 18, 2009 03:42 PM
Arvind,
The moron Government did not come to power by itself like in China, it has been elected by morons like you. So be careful before you say Government is moron in a democracy!
India has 329million hectares of land out of which only 140 million hectares is potentially irrigable. That means you are remaining with 190 million hectares of land for future agriculture with new technology ..do not worry of eating now! And stop being a hypocrite!
Re: Re: SEZ are need of the Hour but not at the cost of....
by Great Indian on Oct 18, 2009 04:21 PM
Again - this is the problem with being so macro ... without getting into details..! Do you know how much of the "non - irrigable land" is actually being allocated for SEZ..? There are any number of examles where a fertile and perfectly "irrgable" land is being pulled from farmers to make it a part of SEZ and that make a quick buck from the Industrialists. SEZ is a good concept - but like any other case, we want to kill the Golden goose ... and that should be stopped. But I agree with your point of view that we, the electorate, don't have a right to criticise the Government... we elected them.... After all - A citigen gets the Government that he deserves - to quote Rajaji.
Re: Re: Re: SEZ are need of the Hour but not at the cost of....
by Haramohan Roy on Oct 18, 2009 04:54 PM
Mr Great Indian, the question is - do we or do we not agree that in the prevailing circumstances we have no option but to create an investor-friendly policy? If the answer is yes, let us allow the SEZs; if the answer is no, let us say that we do not require the service of the investors.
The problem is - people like Aruna Roy is not straightforward to opine for either of these!
Re: Re: Re: Re: SEZ are need of the Hour but not at the cost of..
by Great Indian on Oct 18, 2009 09:04 PM
Investor friendly policy does NOT mean that you sell yourself to the Companies.
Every policy MUST have a process associated to it AND more importantly, controls and checks in place to see if the process is yielding "right" results..! SEZ don't really have ANY such controls in place.
How many times we see perfectly fertile lands are "grabbed" to make an SEZ which in turn allocates the land to Companies - some of which don't even set up the unit..!!!
Can't we see the nexus there?
As I have been saying in some posts here - SEZ is certainly the need and necessity for a growing economy - but LET US NOT KILL THE GOLDEN GOOSE, by forgetting controls.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SEZ are need of the Hour but not at the cost
by Haramohan Roy on Oct 18, 2009 09:26 PM
As I said, try and ensure a etter deal for the farmers and workers by all means, but do NOT oppose the project.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SEZ are need of the Hour but not at the cost
by Atanu Chatterjee on Oct 19, 2009 02:53 AM
Agreed with great indian & harmahon, lets improve upon the processes to allocate lands for SEZ. Lets make sure we cover the interests of retail land providers, but in the process lets not get carried away to oppose the idea of industrialization.
Re: Re: SEZ are need of the Hour but not at the cost of....
by Arvind SINGH on Oct 18, 2009 03:47 PM
What a Pitty that... you born without mind and named yourself a buddhiman.... go and develop the techonology for the loand balance with us... m hopeful u can do it wintin this century... got it Buddhiman (Moron)
Ms.Roy left an elite Service to work for the poor. This is comendable. She talked about kashmir but conviniently for got the restictions to Indian citizens e.g. to own property, to nurse Hindu shrines etc. I fail to understand this attitude of these social workers whoes sincerety and patrotriosm can not be doubted have selective approach.No one of her likes asked M.F.Hussain why he donot employ his freedom of expression to paint nude pictures of the religious symbols of other religions.Freedom of expression, civil rights becomes important to these itelectuals only when it suits them or when they want to indulge in bashing Majority Comunity. It will be very sad if sincere and dedicated person like Ms.Roy lost their credibility and respect. Daulat Singh Lodha
