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Haramohan Roy
Given an opportunity ...
by Haramohan Roy on Oct 15, 2009 10:16 PM  | Hide replies

Given an opportunity, these self-styled defenders of democracy will first turn out to be autocrats.

They simply choose to forget that our society needs development and our young educated people need employment. Where on earth will that happen unless there are industries? And where will industries take place unless on land? On the moon? Or in the air?
Moreover, the investors must be given some freedom of choice in the matter of location and other considerations. Otherwise, why will they be feel tempted to set up the business? Do these champions of liberty think that the world will dance to their tunes?

These people have done enough damage to the industrial prospects of India. In Bengal, they have taken care to drive out Ratan Tata (who, by the way, has been recognised as one of the leading thinkers in today's corporate world)! They have also put paid to the prospects of Nandigram, in the name of liberty.

Given their way, India will have only liberty, and no employment!

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Varun Shekhar
Re: Given an opportunity ...
by Varun Shekhar on Oct 16, 2009 05:18 AM
"They simply choose to forget that our society needs development and our young educated people need employment. Where on earth will that happen unless there are industries? And where will industries take place unless on land? On the moon? Or in the air?"

Well said, Haramohan, and very timely too, with the Aruna's and Arundhati's badmouthing India( the latter being the worst!)

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rakesh singh
Re: Given an opportunity ...
by rakesh singh on Oct 17, 2009 11:46 AM
Haramohan Roy,you are right for a change.Good job,Sir.

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Atanu Chatterjee
Re: Given an opportunity ...
by Atanu Chatterjee on Oct 16, 2009 01:11 PM
well said, sir

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Haramohan Roy
Re: Re: Given an opportunity ...
by Haramohan Roy on Oct 17, 2009 11:50 AM
Thnx to all.

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Guest
Messaihs - dime a dozen
by Guest on Oct 15, 2009 10:10 PM  | Hide replies

In India there seem no dearth of champions of the oppressed. You find them at every street corner holding a placard or a mouth piece.

What these folk do is , pick any issue - ranging from coal mining through SEZ and rally unsuspecting people around them and begin sloganeering against every thing that is not - agriculture, not- freebies and not- rustic.

As some one said in this message board, robinhoodism is a fashion now a days - from starlests of bollywood, fashion models and pretty much every one who does not have any thing to do during the 12 hour day.

Fact of the matter is these guys are real enemies to the oppressed for the repeatedly assert that 'hey you guys are oppressed and cheated . so fight' and then all hell breaks lose. They never tell the so called 'oppressed' to work hard.

Villagers are innocent, Farmers are guillible, illeterate are easy to con- all these notions belong to a bygone era. They are smart and cunning and know how to sell themselves. Now that these messaishs are with them - from medha patkar through mamta nennerji, they are more in advantage than the hard working urban Indian. Infact these so called villagers have best ofo the both worlds.

What people like the protagonist of this movement doing is building their own base , may be for political reasons or as said, there is nothing more to do.

Why not she go to some village and develop that village instead of making worthless arguments and showering cliches ?

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Atanu Chatterjee
Re: Messaihs - dime a dozen
by Atanu Chatterjee on Oct 16, 2009 01:10 PM
couldnt agree more

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Bodh Ramdeo
SEZ she
by Bodh Ramdeo on Oct 15, 2009 09:06 PM

How to become instanly famous- become a champion of the poor and down-trodden, the victims of the evil Capitalism and its money-grubbing capitalist class. Industry- Evil, Unemployed- Heavenly; Having money- Bad, Starvation- Good.
With hundreds of millions poor, illiterate and unemployed, India desperately need many millions more like her to bedevil the heartless business-wallahs, who not only want to fleece the poor aam aadmi, but steal their lands for SEZs and make them perpetually hungry paupers.

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raj
In democracy, leaders are face of society....Don't blame leaders
by raj on Oct 15, 2009 08:19 PM

In democracy, leaders are face of society....Don't blame leaders, blame our society, our culture and traditions

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D S
EVERYone_is_fed_development_PILL
by D S on Oct 15, 2009 05:53 PM  | Hide replies

EVERYone_is_fed_development_PILL,

Angrez_and_industrialist_sells_you_stories_about_development,

Indians_rush_to _buy_it,

the_low_hangining_fruits,

BUT_ALL_INDIANS_DONT_KNOW_THE_PLANS,

Mncs are not here for export,

that is just temporary,

they_are_eying_for_Asian_markers_and_especially_india,

Same_old_formule,
Use_indians_to_win_over_india,

marginalize_legal_companies_THAT_operate_outside_SEZ_that_pay_taxes_and_follow_loca l_laws,

have_something_like_prison_labour,

they_might_get_little_more_but_it_is_still_prison_labour,

LEE CH_NATURAL_RESOURCES_TO_THE_FULLESH,

destroy_the_fragile_local_economy_and_customs

DO_THis_HELL_in_name_of_deve lopment_TO_ONE_AND_ALL_those_advancced_states,

just_leave_tribals


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raj
Re: EVERYone_is_fed_development_PILL
by raj on Oct 15, 2009 08:16 PM
Thanks to CPIM Karat Communist wrong polices because of which Dr MMS re elected again and celebrating his 77 birthday as PM.

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D S
Re: Re: EVERYone_is_fed_development_PILL
by D S on Oct 15, 2009 11:36 PM
wrong,

Karat_idiot_damaged_third_front_by_support_Congress_puppet_MMS_during_first_term_instead_of_being_firm,

he_should_have_avoided_any_support_to_congress_lest_there_be_third_front_PM_on_yearly_basis,
end_dynasty_and_congress_BJP_ monopoly,

he_choose_path_of_HaTE_to_join_HATE_Club_and_thus_exposed_the_fake_leftism,

he_uprooted_his_party_and _almost_killed_himself_also,

hope_he_amends_and_corrects_himself.

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D S
Re: EVERYone_is_fed_development_PILL
by D S on Oct 15, 2009 05:58 PM
media_is_fed_donkey_criticize_genuine_concerns_about_SEZ,

Dont_convert_tribals_to_civilize_us_just_restore_our_old_lif estyle,

dont_give_no_lures_and_development_sermons,

it_is_the_old_jungle_lifestyle_by_which_the_tribals_survive d_for_millions_of_years,

_Government_wants_to_attack_easy_ target_naxalss_moaist,

Government_dont_want_to_solve_the_underlying_crisis,

instead_of_building_safe_forest_zon es_for_tribal,

they_want_popular_headline_catching_action,

safe_tribal_zones_will_make_the_tribals_will_giving_ up_arms,

if_you_restore_their_natural_habitat_of_tribals_that_the_politicians_beaurocrates_idustrialist_ nexus_have_spoilt.

the_tribals_can_live_safely_in_reservation_zones,

tribals_dont_need_bjp_congress_rigged_elec tions,
And_exploitation_of_indians_and_using_indians_against_INDIANS,
like_the_angrez_did,
i_mean_the_Cartel_gives_t icket_to_greedy_indian_MP_MLAs_who_work_against_their_own_people,
to_fill_their_pockets_and_support_party_cartel,

k eep_tribals_out_of_this_monopolistic_hell_that_is_called_fake_democracy


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D S
Re: EVERYone_is_fed_development_PILL
by D S on Oct 15, 2009 06:03 PM
the_vulture_not_only_destroy_the_fragile_local_economy_and_customs_by_big_money,

do_you_guys_like_call_center_culture_ NO_WAY,

software_outsource_coolies_to_be_hired_and_dropped,

but_they_also_rape_the_fragile_enviroment_fully,
Look_at_the_Union_carbide,
it_is_another_EXAMPLE_OF_sez,
some_INDUSTRIES_they_cannot_do_in_advance_nations,
those_a re_junk_indusries_that_are_dumped_on_india

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D S
Re: Re: EVERYone_is_fed_development_PILL
by D S on Oct 15, 2009 06:04 PM
far_worse_than_outsource_is_to_work_for_ghoras_who_always_plan_for_being_an_upperhand

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Zeppel
Why compare with China
by Zeppel on Oct 15, 2009 03:47 PM

Why do these guys always compare with China ?

China and India are two extrems of a spctrum. In China it is legal to put behind bar any one who questions the government policy - indefinitely. China has the largest number of human rights abuse cases (known). China is a communist country and there is no stage for political pluralism - so there is no ideological pluralism.

Secondly why SEZ ?

Because it is in vogue to fight against SEZs ?
fighting for the imaginary causes is fashionable?.

Yes, there are people who have no access to the basic needs of the society. But then, people like Ms ROy, if she is a true civil servant and concerned about their development has to find out the root cause. Corruption is a known cause, illeteracy is a known cause why not take them up ? Why SEZ ? Because SEZs are soft targets and they are visible. SEZs are operated by people who are educated and more vulnerable to nuisance than the corrupt officials and politicians ?

Guess people like her are only creating nuisance and obstacles rather than being champions of the poor (now whatever that means beacsuee everyone these days claim they are - even the guy caught on tape taking bribe before elections). So, we have no faith in your championship.

Show us some substance instead of jingoistic circus feats.

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Zeppel
Quality of our civil servants
by Zeppel on Oct 15, 2009 03:36 PM  | Hide replies

Freedom of movement ? Tomorrow she will go to some defense establishment like DRDO or ISRO or Nuclear facility and cry fowl for not allowing her into it ? What kind of a meaningless argument she is hanging on to ?

The way she is arguing begs one to contemplate if she has rudimentary commonsense and aptitude for unbiased judgement.

Like defence establishments which are in existence for a specific purpose - that of protecting the soverienity of India, the SEZs are there for a purpose - that of economic wellbeing of the nation. Under the existing law, the export unit of a SEZ will get tax benefits and infrastructure facilities from the government. In return, government fixes export target for that unit ( we call standard design factories). In essence they earn for the country what peple like Ms Roy have luxury to abuse daily called - FOREX and thats what makes india economically strong.

Now, there are lapses in SEZ act. But people like her should instead fight for fixing these lapses Or she can fight for the fruits of these SEZs reach peasants she is so vociferously vanguarding for they gave away the ploughable land. Instead she chose to resort to jingoistic jargon - fundamental rights, oppression and so on. It creates more nuisance than serving real purpose.

Mamta bennerji, Arudhati Roy, And now Aruna Roy..is there a pattern here ? Why do we entertain these people in the first place ?

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deep dar
Re: Quality of our civil servants
by deep dar on Oct 15, 2009 03:39 PM
these bongs have only dragged the country backward.

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Prashant Sharma
Re: Re: Quality of our civil servants
by Prashant Sharma on Oct 15, 2009 04:02 PM
its the people like you who talk regionalism have dragged the country backward....

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Amit kumar
Re: Re: Re: Quality of our civil servants
by Amit kumar on Oct 15, 2009 05:16 PM
@Prashant Sharma
Very true.It pains me to see some comments on rediff on a daily basis that attack some community or the other.

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DL Narayan
Re: Re: Re: Quality of our civil servants
by DL Narayan on Oct 15, 2009 04:31 PM
Mamata Bannerjee is a Bengali, Arundhati Roy is a Malayali and Aruna Roy is a Tamilian, they are all Indians of the same gender but not from the same state.

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India
No recognition for such a champions by society!!!!!!
by India on Oct 15, 2009 02:20 PM  | Hide replies



No recognition for such a champions by Indian society!!!!

She has chuked a plum IAS job!!! to serve common man...what a great sacrifice for people..hardly anu recognition for such champions...

She is true Indian hero......

India is going to suffer another humilation like 26/11 ,until we learn to respect true people who are honest,and committed.

Our soceity should banish and ostrasize who are corrupt & dishonest..social bycott....

until such time Indians would suffer another
subjugation for long....

Business lobby is utter corrupt in India....

In the name of development corrupt Politician is collecting illegal money from equally corrupt Businesss lobby and stahing billions of $ in swiss bank...

wake up India.. before it is too late..


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deep dar
Re: No recognition for such a champions by society!!!!!!
by deep dar on Oct 15, 2009 03:38 PM
stop crying.

india is far better off without commies..and you.

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Budha
Re: No recognition for such a champions by society!!!!!!
by Budha on Oct 15, 2009 10:19 PM
Nice script. Try approach a producer. And don't forget couple of item songs.

Jambories like you make this society a laughing stock. You Baffoons do one thing and one thing only, get excited watching some piece of crap on TV or movies and then go about shouting slogans.

When faced with a testing situation, people like you and your 'true indian heros' who talk bombastic hot air and rubbish are the first ones to scram for safety leaving behind every one you rallied until that point.

People like you stunt the thinking capacity of Indians beyond meaningless fights - becase those fights kick your testosteron or adrenalin and then a bollywood song.

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Ninja Kirgi
Why do you need land for creating SEZs
by Ninja Kirgi on Oct 15, 2009 02:11 PM

Why do people need agricultural land for SEZs? Let SEZs be developed in sea, uninhabited islands near shores, land belonging to sick industries and if necessary on land of existing urban colonies.

These are basically waste lands and thus should be given preference for development of any infrastructure over agricultural or forest land.

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Rythm
True democrazy
by Rythm on Oct 15, 2009 01:57 PM  | Hide replies

Why there's a problem is because of an act which gives the right to bureaucrats/ministers to convert any land into an agricultural land. Therefore, SEZ/industry takes advantage of this and wilfully "persuades" the bureaucrat/minister to convert huge hectares of land to industrial. Scores of farmers are in this manner, forced and coerced to sell their land against their wishes. This just has to be stopped, otherwise India will face huge food problem

Now if the SEZ developers themselves go to the farmers who wish to sell their land without coercion, then that should be allowed. But that seldom happens, because some agree, some dont and SEZs need contiguous land. But all in all, they cant force anyone out of their land.

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Rythm
Re: True democrazy
by Rythm on Oct 15, 2009 01:58 PM
Sorry read the first line as "Why there's a problem is .... convert any land into an industrial land"

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