It is unfortunate that reverse migration from Middle Eastern Countries to India is not written about in india, whereas, some 100 job losses in US is highlighted in OP-EDs
More than 500000 people are expected to land in Kerela and TN from Middle-east, almost all of them are construction workers, and other semi-skilled workers.
Their plight will be worse, because, these guys have very limited or no savings, God knows what these many job less people with hungry families to feed will do to the others
Re: Reverse Migration from Middle-East
by Girish Kumar on Mar 08, 2009 08:50 AM
Yeah they have no savings because they have blown all up (in a mad insatiable desire to show that they have money) on palatial houses and lavish weddings!
I really dont have any idea what obama is going to get doing these kind of politics. I think what he is trying to do is just working on the US citizens sentiments. I really dont know wheather he is having facts/figures with him or not. Does he know that how many skilled (e.g. IT) and unskilled are jobless? Does he know that a mainframe guy can't fill the java/j2ee/.net position? Lets work on facts not on sentiments. I don't think IT poeple are jobless in large in US. And regarding US people, they just think they are superior despite being a bull-shit. They think they are white(or have US tag) so can do whatever they want. Most most of the young to mid-age people you will find in pub/bar in US. When its time to learn something they just do shit and when its time to go for job they dont have enough skill. And now these crap people saying that indians have taken out their job. BULL-SHIT. We have taken up their job bcoz we didn't hang out in pub/bar when we were 15-25 rather we spend hours and hours in study room to get through entrance exams. And now its our those hard is paying us back. Why only indians are taking their job why not europians, australians, dutch etc etc. I have already seen that US company gives more preference to US citizen rather than H1B. Whole project is a java/.net but still you will find 2 mainframe guy just bcoz they are americans. DAMN. Indians taking US job has become a sentimental issue and obama is trying to work on sentiment rather than facts.
Re: Skilled, UnSkilled and H1B
by Purple Finch on Mar 07, 2009 09:13 PM
how can you spin stories like this? There is a well-oiled system in place that works in USA,which was planned and executed by Americans alone. Indians who immigrate to USA are using and having a great time from the comforts of that system. How many Indian software engineers who work in or for US companies are really good at the job? I can give 1000 cases against your claim.
Re: Re: Skilled, UnSkilled and H1B
by Deep Kumar on Mar 07, 2009 09:23 PM
comeon if you have well planned system and enough talent pool then why indians came over here. It will be surprise to me if you can bring 1000 cases, lol. I gave u the fact from my project. And i dont think you have 1000 people working in ur project. Talk fact not sentiments "Purple Finch". What obama sud do is first make the car rather than making parking for the car.
Re: Re: Re: Skilled, UnSkilled and H1B
by NBTian on Mar 07, 2009 09:49 PM
Relax Deep. You are assuming that Indian techies should get America's piece of cake. Indians are simply eating their job because they work hard and good once told "what to do". But there are things beyond work. Indians dont stimulate US economy as they want to die with loads of cash in bank due to their insecure mindset. They are not sure about tomorrow and hence piling up ny working hard which helps US companies but not nation. I can give 1000 examples where India techies are bullshit who claim to have all skillsets as per the job needs. Recently many US old guys were laid off and immkediately Indian company account managers who are simply waiting to find opening to outsource or fit their person was asked to send people to replace them. Indians came to US becoz US corporations wanted to save money by hiring hard-working cheap labors. Thats a fact.
Re: Re: Re: Skilled, UnSkilled and H1B
by NBTian on Mar 07, 2009 09:50 PM
Relax Deep. You are assuming that Indian techies should get America's piece of cake. Indians are simply eating their job because they work hard and good once told "what to do". But there are things beyond work. Indians dont stimulate US economy as they want to die with loads of cash in bank due to their insecure mindset. They are not sure about tomorrow and hence piling up ny working hard which helps US companies but not nation. I can give 1000 examples where India techies are bullshit who claim to have all skillsets as per the job needs. Recently many US old guys were laid off and immkediately Indian company account managers who are simply waiting to find opening to outsource or fit their person was asked to send people to replace them. Indians came to US becoz US corporations wanted to save money by hiring hard-working cheap labors. Thats a fact.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Skilled, UnSkilled and H1B
by Deep Kumar on Mar 07, 2009 10:07 PM
Thats where the problem is, whose cake is this. You are also more of a sentimental than factual. Old guys were sacked!!!!, how a guy working on mainframe can work on next generation technology, and thats why he probably wud have been fired. Even I can site 1000s of indians who are jobless just bcoz they dont have enough skills in IT now. GUYS wake up, indians are here in US bcoz there is a shortage of skilled (not unskilled) workers. I agree not all techies are genius. But those are genius are working in R&D e.g. NASA. And the other areas of work doesn't require genius at all.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Skilled, UnSkilled and H1B
by RN Iyengar on Mar 08, 2009 07:55 AM
DeepKumar: You talk as if you are ENTITLED to American jobs and that they should give it to you! US is a great country but it is going thru one of the worst recession right now. Dont keep talking about 'mainframe'; you are obviously talking from one example. There are many US IT guys who are out of a job. However, how to find these guys and match them to specific job requirements is another matter.
I think Indians are used to begging. EVery leader has a moral obligation tolook after its citizens first. What innovation H1-B or outsourcing is bring except cheap labor. Cut the crap Vivek Wadhwa since you have not lost your job after imparting training of what u know to little-English speaking Gult or Tambi and then asking to go. It is fundamentally wrong. Fake resumes and degrees with no knowledge doesnt mean talent. I agree that 1% are talented and they are opening start ups and this initiative will not impact real talented people anyways. So stop spreading wrong news and ask India govt to create jobs and look after their own citizens like Obama rather than expectng other countries to revert from protectionism
Re: Obama is doing right
by Johnny Gaddar on Mar 08, 2009 02:49 PM
Right on! Totally agree with you! Before blaming Obama for doing the right thing for his country, Indians should ask their PM to help uplift India and create more jobs in India.
To all Indians who say that India and China stole Jobs from America, Read Some History, donot be a slave of a whiteman!!
In the last 400 Years, they have stole multi-trillion dollars worth of value from the rest of the world, even now, for all the goods and services the american enjoy from their Indian and Chinese and other migrant slaves, they pay only on PAPER, Just PAPER, all they have to do is just crank-up their printing presses in FED and Presto! you have yet another BATCH OF GREAT THIRLD-WORLD minds working for white masters!!
So the loot is going on for centuries now!! it will continue, till US and West europe disintegrate under its own weight, just like roman empire
Re: What US stole
by Jagan S on Mar 08, 2009 12:33 AM
Tamil Chola kings stole wealth from modern day Sri Lanka/Thailand/Malasyia. Are you planning to return them.
History is good to know so that you don't make the same mistake again. May be we Indians paid a huge fees to muslim invaders first and our white masters for a simple lesson - Unity 101.
(find out what Rajendra Chola did to modern day Thailand/Cambodia).
Re: What US stole
by Purple Finch on Mar 07, 2009 09:02 PM
school teachers,masala store owners, policemen etc dressing up as software personnels and getting jobs in USA is over. Decieving body shoppers will end up in jail. Andhra Pradesh,be truthful for once.
Re: Re: What US stole
by Johnny Gaddar on Mar 08, 2009 02:53 PM
lol!!! very true! the telegu dream of growing up and somehow getting to US producing fake documents is not at stake, and that's what is killing then now. No more getting crores of dowry anymore!!! Andhra guys are screwed.
All of us are responsible for this mess. Our mindless consumerist attitude and greed has landed us where we are now.
We built over capacity in everything, real estate, textiles, IT, Cars, Telephone, Cement, Iron and Steel, airports etc etc. But failed to build more schools, colleges, hospitals in rural india, where it would have helped millions of people, but would have also given a decent sustainable Return on Investment. But, we were interested in 100% returns YoY, Tell me friends is it sustainable?
Our greed has made even a salary of Rs 200000/- a month as ordinary, tell me how much is enough Do most of these people really worth it, it is because too many ordinary guys made a fortune, money has lost its intrinsic value. To restore balance, prudence is required, but in todays world that is truly a priceless commodity which is harder to find
Returning NRIs will loose their technical and managerial superiority within 2 yrs of coming back to India. They will become part of the mass. The way things move in India, they will rust, rot and die in the filth of Indian economy. Only few will survive who wont have any effect on any thing significant. For intellectuals to survive, they need intellectual environment which India does not have. All they have is mass, hordes and un-livable society where people's live has no respect. When Indians are sent back to India, they will have no option but to commit suicide, or lead a civil war. Either way, its a path to destruction.
So my friend, whether or not you like it, accept the fact that Indians will have a life in the slums for the rest of the time. No power, unhealthy environment, disease, unemployment, religious tension, lack of education, and health care.... list goes on.
Every country will try to reduce the unemployment rate as much as possible unlike India,which has been under the impression that outsourcing will solve the unemployment problem.Let our leaders introspect how many jobs they have been able to create during the past two decades.Except making tall claims in election-eve speeches,our leaders have done nothing to solve the unemployment problem.In the name of liberlisation and globalisation,they have killed the small scale industry,the small business and the agricultural sectors.kanthlk,overland park,ks US
If Obama wants to protect US Jobs by not exporting jobs overseas, so be it. Let's stop using US Products starting from Toothpaste to soap, from pizza (domino or hut) to burgers (mc'd), from coke to pepsi, from buying dell computers etc. All of the Americans 401K (most of 'em lost around 50% or more) are just holding because of the products bought / used by worldwide (not because of Americans only). This will in turn spiral effect more job cuts in the product industry in US. Let's see how he handles that?
Re: Indians should stop using US products
by rajesh kumar on Mar 07, 2009 09:28 PM
If Indians are still using US products that means these products have a market in India which goes to prove there India does not have enough manufacturing base to take care of their demand, which in turn proves that India lacks resource to set up industries, train and employ people, have system in place to collect taxes and use it for development.
People call it fate, but as life is - I call it destiny. Now live with it, till you die.
Re: Re: Indians should stop using US products
by Girish Kumar on Mar 08, 2009 11:09 AM
Market is what money dictates as well! Coke with their overflowing coffers bought Thumbs up to kill it. Thumbs up survives so does limca! Coke is making a loss and not Thumbs up so local Coke honchos allow it to be sold without marketing it!
Re: Indians should stop using US products
by guest on Mar 07, 2009 07:05 PM
u think this will have a significant impact on US economy? No my friend, these companies are too big and their subsidiaries in India contribute too little to their over all revenues. Indian leadership should plan for the coming back of this mixed pool of work force, some very talented and some just waste of skin, to the best use possible. May be in academia or research or even governance.
Outsourcing from US can not go on for ever. main cause of outsourcing was huge health costs companies had to bear.Socialism is good for all countries.Golbalization makes one country benifit at the cost of another. western nations were for it initially because it benifitted them. No wthe tables are turned. India should develop their own manufacturing with so much man power. You can not blame Obama. he is doing what is good for America.Bush and other republicans were doing what was good for rich corporations and their top executives.Because they were represented very well in the senate and congress making all the decisions.Obama is handling reality.India should not think US is going to save her.In fact Obama GOVT may be more anti India than others.
