I think the article is full of rehtoric. The job of analyzing economy should be left to economists, please realize that a CA is not an economist. There is no incentive for govt. to keep people poor, as far as giving agriculture further focus is concerned, he should realize that agriclture has never grown faster than 3-4% over a long run anywhere in the world. Sisbsidizing it further will mean bringing further inefficiency in economy. The grand design to keep farmers poor is an idea that might also have come from a govinda/ mithun da flick. Please stop writing about things you dont understand.
RE:Ridiculous Article
by Rohit on Mar 28, 2007 08:32 AM
Well said Summet Bhai:
According to Vekatesh successive governments of the last 60 years must have all been colluding with each other to keep India poor, because we get a new Government every 5 years.
How many PMs have we had since 1991, from different Political Parties? By this writers logic Manmohan Singh and Vajpayee MUST have colluded to keep India poor. He offers no evidence of this collusion just simple-minded anecdotal evidence. He is not an Economist but feels compelled to publicize his economic-illiteracy.
RE:Ridiculous Article
by KANDASAMY PERIASAMY on Mar 28, 2007 10:10 AM
Whether the Politicians colluded or not, the fact remains that Indian farmers and rural people remain poor mainly because of the positive bias followed by successive Governments towards urban centres. It is true that Experts shall decide the relevent matters. But who runs the Country ? Few hundred IAS people( most of them who could not make it to any professional courses). Are they experts in Economics ? Further, the so called "Economic Experts" of India(including the Ph.Ds)are also unfortunately have read economics relevent to other countries. No one seems to have appreciated the fact that India has a unique problem of High Total population coupled High Population Density. No other country has this tricky situation. Probably China is the closest in this regard. How many of the so called Economic Experts who have been guiding this Country have told at least 20 years back that we shall follow China and not USA / Germany / UK / Singapore, etc.
Today, we are looking at China with envy and we are trying to emulate China in whatever manner possible !
RE:Ridiculous Article
by suma elizabeth on Mar 28, 2007 01:16 PM
Mr. Rohit, U might have a Ph.D, but that is not the point. India had only a brahmanical democracy. Whether its congress or BJP. Their economic agendas have not been very different. There is an incentive for these parties to keep them in poverty just like the caste party leaders keep their caste men in permenent deprivation. (They make only parks and statues but will do nothing for the upliftment of their caste members since the educated members of thier caste will no more subscribe to their ways). The politics of a particular region which is controlled by the zamindars or the big land lords have an interest in keeping the people poor in that area. They represent the main stream political parties. They have an incentive that way, however backward looking it may be. I do feel the author has some real points in his article.
RE:Ridiculous Article
by Vijay Naik on Mar 28, 2007 03:23 PM
Ms. Suma the "Elizabeth",
What do you mean by "Brahminical Democracy"? What is so wrong with you people? You have all the right to abuse the "Brahmin" in every which way you find suitable?
"Brahmin"is not a caste.It is the definition of an individual who knows himself! It means an intellectual who does not compromise on his principles. He is the enemy of all compromised people like our politicians.He is upright against all the ill around him. Dr. B.R. Ambedkar was one of them.
Pray tell me where do you find a such a Brahmin zamindar or big land lord in today's India? Do you know any history of India? Do you know who was the person who taught Dr. B.R. Ambedkar? Do you know, who was Agarkar? Do you know who was Dhondo Keshav Karve? You know who was Veer Savarkar? Do you know in what way they have tried to uplift the downtrodden? Do you know the so called Brahminical RSS was the first Indian agency to start relief camps in natural calamities and they helped the dalit, not the brahmin. In Morvi earthquake, they lifted degraded corpses which army jawans also desisted from lifting.
Why abuse brahmins in each muddy session? You neo-educated, neo-xx people do not understand the value of a helping hand. Thats why India remains in dire straits. The real reason behind all the backwardness that exists today is anti-brahminism of the politicians. They do not want any real intellectual to teach them how to do it. They know that if they show any inclination towards the brahmins - the uncompromised, they will lose their neo-votebanks.
Come on! Let us hear some more abuses hurled at the brahmin!
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by rightinyourface on Apr 01, 2007 05:22 PM
brahmin is a cast.....brahmins harassed B.R. Ambedkar so much that he became a dalit messiah.....haven't u ever seen a blue brigade ? do u think they r gifted by u brahmin Ambedkar ?
I pity ur ignorance of the caste system, ur folly to think that intellect is a right by birth into a brahmin family & ur mental state to think that convoluted logical fallacy will evoke anything but puke ! yuck.......
on the other side....its funny as well.....Ambedkar a Brahmin !.....hahahahahaha......may b u r tired of being called a neela jhanda so u wish to cross-over by taking ambedkar along !
RE:Ridiculous Article
by Rohit on Mar 29, 2007 06:16 AM
India is poor due to POOR ECONOMIC POLICIES. End of story!
By writing gibberish about Economics morons like Venkatesh make sure that poor economic policies are replaced by even worse economic policies. I do not write about Accounts because I know little about Accounts.
India gives HUGE preferential treatment to OBC in College admission. These wily Brahmins, screwing themselves out of college to screw the poor?!?
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by rightinyourface on Apr 01, 2007 05:41 PM
Rohit, if u beat somebody up and then bandage him later....that's NOT preferential treatment. That's called healing the wounds...helping in recuperating....
Backward classes were abused for centuries....we r just trying to heal the wounds now. No preferential treatment here. Had they been treated right, there wud not hv been any BACKWARD classes. But they r there, aren't they ?
RE:RE:Ridiculous Article
by SANKALP BALDAWA on Mar 28, 2007 04:20 PM
sir the only right step taken for improving the condition of farmers was taken by vajpayee. that was the river interlinking project or the gram sadak yojna. which would benifit the farmers but the congress has slowed don the gram sadak yojna. and you all know these idiots medha patkar and others who are opposing the river interlinking by taking funds from foreign institutions for country to remain back. BJP did a long term planing which gives results after some time. but that cost them elections.now they are sitting in opposition and seeing all thier projects like golden quadrilateral or others being brought on a back foot for political reasons by congress coz it thinks only the gandhis have the right to be visionary in this country and any other PM getting credit is not acceptable.
RE:Ridiculous Article
by rightinyourface on Apr 01, 2007 05:38 PM
yeah sankalp !......u forgot to mention that above all BJP demolished Babri Masjid & let the whole world know that we r a peaceful, progressive society......since than FDIs are flowing in........whenever there is a shortage of FDI, we narrate that incident & lo...behold....investment comes back.....
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by Rohit on Mar 29, 2007 06:21 AM
Did Vajpayee and his saffron-panty wearing goons deliver the DREAM BUDGET of 1997 that cut taxes and unleashed > 8% growth?
Did Vajpayee take the first and the most painful steps in Economic Librarlization in 1991?
Yashwant Sinha spoke to us in DC about the evil of FREE TRADE.
Sir,you have written a excellent article explaining the root structure of an economony. A revolution is needed to make India a superpower. Look at china,the government has made a truth effort to make it a superpower. Indian Government also should create a revolution of change and ake it a superpower.
Mr. Venkatesh has brought out some valid points. However, until we change out electoral system so that the majority elects and not a particular cast or ethinic group or a religious group elects we cannot hope to improve things.
We should have an election system where if no candidate gets a majority then there should be a runoff election between the two candidates who get the most votes.Then whosoever gets more than 50% of the votes gets elected.
Such a system will put true representatives of teh people in power who may be expected to deliver
RE:Farmer's plight
by Rohit on Mar 29, 2007 08:19 AM
Like the French system? That makes some sense for a small and largely homogenous country of 55 million. I don't know how well it will work for a country of 1.1 Billion with dozens of different ethnic liguisitc and religious groups.
Suppose in the next election parties A B and C get 34% 34% and 33% of the vote respectively. According to your system ONE THIRD of the country will have no say in their goverment.
This is a very interesting article. Although it is short of substance and statistics at places. Let us take this issue up and ensure that the farmers' problems are alleviated. I have personnaly observed this trend. Most of the farmers are exploited by middlemen, who in turn are running thier businneses with the help of the government or the politiicians. A classic example is of sugar. The market price of sugar is 20 per Kg. Where as sugar companies are forced to sell their sugar at 12-13 per Kg. so, where does the difference go? Due to the low prices, these companies are contemplating paying lower than what they had agreed to pay. A company has reduced the price of sugarcane by 50 rupees per tonne. Believe me! this is substantial for the farmers. But this is a general trend. So, the farmers will be losing money, whereas the middlemen will be making more money.
We should work for a system where there is more value addition than brokerage and commission.
The constitution was created when congress was in power. They wanted pre-dominion status..so that politicians can rule on people.
Moreover a characterless person like Nehru was in the committee.
Bcoz of him people started hating gandhi. Gandhi was a man of peace. He knew things were going wrong..but was helpless ...as he was seeing his mission drowning.
We have been ruled by invaders bcoz of the same reason for 600 years.
People should understand that corruption is taking us nowhere. it is owns doom.
RE:RE:What can we expect?
by Rohit on Mar 29, 2007 08:31 AM
It is better for every good Indian to put on a BRIGHT SAFFRON CHADDI and knock down another mosque or two. Then India will ovenight turn into a land of milk and honey.
Have you been this DUMB for a long time or is it a recent phenomenon?
RE:What can we expect?
by dean jones on Mar 27, 2007 10:29 PM
You are absolutely right. Please try to channelise your emotions effectively. There are a lot of people out there who think like you.
SOME ONE PLS IMPLEMENT THIS!! ITS A NICE IDEA... and the farmer can even lodge a complaint to the media & greivance cell, if he doesnt recieve money in his account.
But the main thing still persists is education. It is the age of e-Learning. Let us educate the farmers so that they can know about latest technologies & events in the world.
People should now fight against corruption themselves. Dont pay corrupt officials at all. Come to public. Now public mobs will deal with corrupt people.
Unless the fear is set in to the minds of corrupt-evil people the country can never safegaurd its interests.
There should be a ban on Congress forever. Imagine how they have looted us?
Since 1948 these guys have looted us more than Lord Mount Batten or Lord Curston.
Year 1948 - 1rupee = 1Dollar Year 2007 - 1 rupee = 46 Dollars
Its equivalent to Mohamed Gazni looting india 46 times.
They massacared people in the name of religion. For their interests.
Solutions for Farmers: Give special trainings to them for better productivity & disaster management.
Direct give n take business with private factories.
Food support for FARMER Families for 6 months. NO money but food items..a default list of food items..High quality food as they deserve it..they feed the whole nation.
Free Education for their children in reputed schools , colleges.
Disaster Insurance for Farmers.
Very low interest loans for farmers
Lifestyle Training twice a month.
Meditation training for peace of mind for the whole family. I still beleive meditation can help farmers in rains. Our ancestors were not fools.
Faculty training by foreign expertise on agriculture.
Setup of Audio Visual theathres in villages for agricultural training.
I dream of a futuristic India. Better than any country. So lets dream..make it come true.
RE:Right Said Ajit Verma
by Anuraag Srivastava on Mar 27, 2007 09:21 PM
First get your facts right. 1 US Dollar = approx. 45 Rs. Not the other way around.
Secondly, think practically. I'm sure you don't have any idea or comprehension of what you're expecting to get done. Its good to dream. But look at the big picture too, anything given out free creates a dependency.
Lastly, stop blaming a political party for everything that goes wrong. People vote them in and have done that repeatedly. The others haven't made much of an impact either. Politicians around the world are the same its the people who have ultimately made the difference.
RE:RE:Right Said Ajit Verma
by ashok leyland on Mar 27, 2007 11:46 PM
Said Ajit Verma: If your dreams are not big what good will you do? It IS the political parties that can make changes that do not do so. We do not hold politicians to account.THIS is the mistake. Mainly because people do not even know that they must expect the politicians to work for them not vice versa. Who are the "others" you write of? We do need educated agriculture experts to support the farmers, suggesting change of methods, agricultural practises and plant protection if agriculture is to have an impact. It may seem a small matter to you, but when food shortages will result, everyone suffers except politicians who get free stuff given them or confiscate food stuff. The Food Authority of India has godowns filled with rats and wasted food that has cost blood, sweat and tears to produce. And the farmers? they are at the end of the line and get nothing. This is not the way to food sufficiency. Educated people need to support the farmers, get more involved in the counry's problems. If not the rats will win and we will starve.
Clearly the author of this article has done no homework prior to writing this piece. The bureaucrat did not mean that we should not produce more foodgrains so that the farmers remain poor. He only wanted to emphasize and reinforce the satvik way of life for India and Indians. 200MT of grains would ensure comfortable living standards according to satvik standards. This is also the proper way of living to attain Nirvana.
RE:Baseless Article
by ashok leyland on Mar 28, 2007 01:23 AM
Maybe you should explain what satvik standards are and to what lifestyle in society they pertain to. Otherwise it is blatant bigotry that lots of Indians spout at will when they have nothing pertinent to say instead of keeping silent and listening and learning from people who know what they are talking about.
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by Synicle on Mar 27, 2007 10:15 PM
Just go back to your room, boy, and we will forget that you are an idiot. Btw, you won't get any dinner tonight.
RE:Baseless Article
by Zen India on Mar 27, 2007 08:11 PM
The autohor may not have done homework, but its absolutely correct, if you want to rule...do not let others rise.
The politicians are doing the same thing, the don't wants all to prosper. If all prosper like tatas and ambanis, then who will listen to them....just think
