India has to pay its labor well, meaning people who do the dirty work with their hands. The sore point of India is that its economy is based on knowledge(mind) and not on the body. In the west , a plumber and Professor in a good University earn the same salary. This is because dignity of labor is understood very well. If you do not plumber well , the whole University will stink and the Professor will not be able to teach. The moral is that you have to have good plumbers for the Professor to teach in the University without the obnoxious drainage smell. We treat this hands on class very badly and give them poor wages. Added to this infrastructure is in the hands of sarkars which is immune to good practices of fund management. The funds do not reach the conctractors and hence the contractor just puts in whatever he wants as materials. India should create autonomous bodies for infrastructure , wherein govt and pvt sector pour in their money to an autonomous body and this body managed by professionals , who will see that wages are distributed rightly. Govt should not keep its officials in these bodies. All staff should be of the autonomous body, new recruits. There could be a quality control check on all aspects and this could be headed by men of integrity like Kalam and Shridharan
Everybody talks of infrastructure, politics, corruption and bottlenecks. nobody talks about the main reason for all this. the main reason is 1.1 Billion is our population. all the problems , bottlenecks , corruption etc is due to such a massive population. there is rush everywhere.trains are crowded. streets are crowded. How many roads will you build. there is a limit to how much a road can expand if the no of vehicles keep increasing. how many houses will you build if we keep increasing at this rate,how many schools and hospitals. why is the service poor. because always these institutions have to cater to deliver way beyond its normal capacity. the first task at hand is to control the population. of this 1.1 billlion population we still lack in getting high-tech staff for various jobs. why are govt salaries so low.. bwcause it has o be divided among many to cater to such a huge population. all the problem lies there. while we develop the infrastructure and other things unless we dont do a serious propoganda on controlling the population this problem is gonna persist.
RE:Population is the main problem.
by munna bhai on Mar 16, 2007 06:18 AM
Absolutely right! But our secular politicians and their 'preferred' community (that is doubling its population every 3-4 yrs) will never agree to this as it becomes a religion / vote-bank issue and hence you can't see any major steps in this direction.
RE:RE:Population is the main problem.
by Yossarian on Mar 16, 2007 07:20 AM
I am sure this country will do lot better without peoplelike you.
Yes I agree with you mate, population is biggest problem for us. Government should come up with something where they penalise families with many kids and reward families with 1/2 kids.
RE:RE:RE:Population is the main problem.
by Atman Vora on Mar 16, 2007 07:52 AM
according to per sq meter, People are more in Singapore and Hong kong. Hong kong is the most populus country in the world NOT INDIA. despite density, both the countries are major business centre of the world. Our main problem is LACK OF EDUCATION and THAT'S IT!!!!!!! NOTHING ELSE....
India will have to spruce up the infrastructure to be in the reckoning. All the growth that can happen without the requisite infrastructure has already happened. To make this growth more visible and sustainable, infrastructure has to grow. I am just shocked at how India managed to do that. Any place worth calling a hi-tech city has a very busy airport for eg San Francisco, San Jose, Chicago, New York, Detroit, Los Angeles ... . All these cities serve close to 100 flights an hour. Bangalore handles 60 flights a day and still prides itself as a silicon valley. Anything wrong here. Thankfully, our private entrepreneurs have atleast made the effort to do something. Unfortunately, they can do only so much without Government help. The government will have to step in now and that is asking for the moon. Had this happened in china, they would have made it a trillion dollar economy. But then, who thought democracy would be a bane under these circumstances. The problem in India is not lack of dictatorship, but too much of democracy. At the end of it, you will get what you vote for. If you don't vote, this is what you will get.
Wonder! India grows inspite of all these bottlenecks, I reckon we must congrat ourselves for that, Problems will always be there & hence thankfully the opportunities, we r so self engrossed that we try to find shortcuts or petty benefits and thus fuel corruption but my personal experience is if you want to get some work done judiciously U can get that done but u need to work ur way thru it, may be get some levels up / threaten to involve media. Things do work out without bribing also but unfortunately we do follow shortcuts and then crib as if we r not responsible for what is prevalent in our motherhood.
Don't blame politicians blame our self before raising any question just ask few questions from your self. Don't say like you need some one to lead you be a leader for your self. Ofcourse it has to be stopped if not forget about the growth. Rather than vote politics, spending huge money on assembly and parilaments it is better to make pace of the process fast. Wake up the youth of the country don't vote for parties give your precious post to that person or a party who acts rather than speak.
I think we are living in a democratic country where people are important when elections are there. After that no one cares. We need to make amendments in our laws and we should realize the importance of infrastructure and this will lead us to growth just by saying that India is growing India won't grow.
We have every thing resources, manpower good and intelligent people and still we are just draging to stop this we all have to give a U turn in our thinking in our approach.
No politician and no party will hear this as there is no answerability.
I would invite every one who want to see india on top of the world join hands together, and lets begin our journey...
RE:Wake Up Call... For Every One...
by Nasir on Apr 10, 2007 01:11 PM
Dear friend, U mentioned in ur first paragraph not to Blamethe politicians..., and inur second paragraph u mentioned...no one cares after elections. So please explain what exactly the citizens should do, even if the people meant for that job( ministers and politicians) sit back, relax and eat our money.
When they can't maintain & build good roads in the capital & financial center Mumbai, leave alone Bangalore. Centre never gave attention to Bangalore, all attention is on Delhi and somewhat Mumbai..Delhi, of course as they travel but what an irony, Ashok Road near Parliament to India gate has so many potholes, one can imagine the state of affairs in Mumbai or Bangalore..Now Mumbai, which gives 50% of overall GDP is in a state of mess...
RE:Poor Roads in Capital & Mumbai!
by Cherry Cherian on Mar 16, 2007 01:39 AM
government should remove slums near the airport...then city should be made slumfree and things will improve...
Is this situation only in B'lore? i stay is Pune, which is more worst than any other city i have seen. People call this the next silicon city of India. No proper airport, no international flights, very few domestic flights to other major cities. Airport around 15-20km to Hinjawadi. Narrow roads, dirty buses, people spitting everywhere. Irresponsible municipal corporation not taking care of anything. And mainly local and non-local feeling in the public.
RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by Golden on Mar 16, 2007 12:48 AM
dear sis, i shall recommend not to talk anything with these people. why you are losing your sense also. these people are just good for nothing. they can only shout for india in cricket match and abuse pakistan when ever they find time. minorities are their main target. if they can be forgiven for just one day they will kill all the minorities of india. in fact they are the real criminal and problem of india. it is better for you to avoid such Alsatians.
RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by Rohit on Mar 16, 2007 12:53 AM
You are right Ms Paul, this hollow pride of one's city or country is a major downer, most of the people have never visited Singapore or US etc to see their development.
RE:RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by Nikil Immatty on Mar 16, 2007 04:40 AM
i appreciate and understand everything which went on here. but please stop comparing our country to countries which don't even care about the world and only their well being. if we become like the US then there's high chances that you might not know what's family, relationships and love. their development. yeah. that's really great. how about making countries fight and help them to fight as well when u are making money out of it. why would not you be rich..
i don't know why people start comparing our country constantly to the US. they are a different country. they have only history of 100's of years. our country went through a lot which you probably would not even know. we are coming out of everything and all these complaints of yours will soon disappear. why would this so called US come to india to have nuclear ties. why do u think?? think about it my brother.
we'll emerge. it'll take time, it's the second economy in the world and i think we are already starting to see the light...
just be a good citizen, broad minded and i think we'll all be fine.
RE:RE:RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by Vijay Purbhe on Mar 16, 2007 04:56 AM
Mr. Nikhil, isnt it really convenient for us to talk about our history when we talk about culture and pride but when it comes to progress, we are just a 50 yr old nation... funny, isnt it? All right for your sake, can we compare ourselves to either Japan or Germany who were completely destroyed in the second world war (around the same time that we got independence) and have done marvellously in lat 50 years? what do you have to say about that? False pride will bring us down more than anything else.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by S Sudarshan on Mar 16, 2007 05:31 AM
the main problem is our 1.1 billion population as mentioned above by me.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by Vas on Mar 16, 2007 08:03 PM
Japan and Germany have never been colonized for numerous centuries as India was. Know anything about their histories, Mr. Half-knowledged? I live in Germany, so don't bullshit about how 'their cities were flattened and their economy rebuilt from the scratch.' The rebuilding, by the way, of these countries came at the expense of the Americans. It is easy to rebuild an infrastructure, but not a society that has repeatedly been ravaged and colonized as India has been. So comparing oranges and apples is not being very clever.
Perhaps, India should have done what America did to build its marvellous country - obliterate all the natives once in for all and start from the scratch in building the nation. Perhaps we should have obliterated all the trouble-making minorities, who seem more interested in expressing their loyalties to foreign countries and foreign corporations that seem to have no qualms about exploiting poor Indians, than to India, and then started rebuilding the nation from the scratch - like the good old USA or Australia or New Zealand - all new nations and verryy progressed!
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by Ganesh R on Mar 16, 2007 06:44 AM
1. Apart from the population, the movie fanatics. They are ready to do anything for their heroes. The Americans too realease too much of movies, but their fans are not so crazy as each one of them are busy doing something.
2. Even now we can find people sitting in front of tea shop & talk non stop nonsense all day. There are beggars in UK too, but you can find only 1 in few 1000's, rest have some work
3. Last but not least, this system will take sometime to change as we are open to market only after 50 years, so the world is else where & we need to speed up to catch. Our existing 50 years system cannot change overnight, we've already seen it changing in last 10 years & hope it will change in the future.
RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by Aftermath on Mar 16, 2007 04:57 AM
u r right Mr.Golden. This is one of the most mature discussion that I've witnessed on Rediff. Minorty bashing and Pakistan bashing will not develop our country.
RE:RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by INDIAN on Mar 16, 2007 05:48 AM
As told earlier its the problem with the country as a whole and problem with us. We as indiviuals too make India look pretty bad, we throw garbage on streets, out of the window, spit on roads.
RE:RE:RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by INDIAN on Mar 16, 2007 05:52 AM
how is this country going to develop when politician divide the country on religion, caste, state, district.
hindu- muslim brahim -backward class maharashtra -bihari mumbaikar- punikar north indian - south indian
Someone told to be broad minded, why is thr quota for backward class, females etc - when all are equal???
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by INDIAN on Mar 16, 2007 05:57 AM
In Mumbai, Mcdonalds employee people who can speak english, hindi & marathi so they can converse with the customers, but Shiv Sena destroyed so many McDonalds saying they are not employing Maharashtians. What kinda of logic is this. Shiv Sena wont allow people from other state to take Railway board Exams in Mumbai.
Who told India will develop, the economy may boom, but the poor will always be poor, and these politician will use the mob as a clown
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by Ganesh R on Mar 16, 2007 06:46 AM
I agree. we need to stop promoting or classifying people based on caste, whether its education or job or anything for that matter. Only then we can call ourselves that we are providing equal opportunities for everyone. If we take a step today to abolish caste, people from 25 years from now will even forget what caste they belong to
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by Yossarian on Mar 16, 2007 07:26 AM
Dear Indian , appreciate your views. I just want to say people are being offered help or reservation cause they are 'BACKWARD'. They are not backward casue they are inferior or do'nt have brain but They don't have access to facilities. They have been kept deprived of facilties for centuries , and get them into mainstream they do need a support.
RE:RE:RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by INDIAN on Mar 16, 2007 06:01 AM
We throw garbage, chocolate wraps on road, spit on road. If a movie gets stuck in a film theatre, BOO like Wolves and if the movie doesnt run will tear the cinema hall seats, vandalize the property. Kids will pelt stones at Street side lights. when all this stops I can think of India tryin to Develop
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by Vas on Mar 16, 2007 07:37 PM
You act like having a Mcdonalds in a country is sign of progress. It is trash food, pure poison, being fed to the Indian middle-class, who try hard to ape the west because they think that by consuming trash they are very modern and chic like the westerners, and in the process do nothing but poison their own children and family with rotten food, while the American company goes laughing all the way to its bank. In many European countries, Mcdonalds is highly regulated and monitored, and the menu is expected to be healthier. This company uses third-world countries like India as dumping ground for their trashy menu that in many other western countries is banned. I couldn't care less whether shiv sena or jesus christ thrashed the mcdonalds. Don't bother to shed crocodile tears over these poisoners.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:is this situation only in B'lore?
by lambertvinet tharcious on Mar 16, 2007 06:50 AM
i could see a meaningfull discussion on this topic....we need days... weeks.... .years to move foreward........ it is the attitude of people which has to be changed..though we talk so many things against the politicians and aother who we think cause for the underdevelopement ...we ourselvs also knowingly or unknowingly helped to...its our responsibility to go foreward by teaching our children abt the importance of clenliness ...developement
Effective management is effective priorization. Government needs to rank its priorities & allocate funds as per the priority.
If India is to progress & succeed as an economic power, it needs to look towards an holistic approach to enable enterprise development.
The most important element of the ecosystem that helps enterprise thrive is INFRASTRUCTURE. The goverment & the babus need to take all elements of the ecosystem in general & infrastructure in particular as a top priority. i.e if the government is REALLY interested in economic development.
To assume that the billion strong population, widespread english usage, vast #s of professionals will itself guarantee economic progress is akin to having a wonderfull design for a car but no engine.
Hope the vidhatas of India's destiny have this simple understanding.
RE:Third Class Country!
by Ganesh R on Mar 16, 2007 06:50 AM
Well...shame not on to live in this country. Shame to those people who make our lives miserable, blame the system that's making our lives miserable. Sometimes too much of freedom is also bad. Not even in US & UK, you can enjooy so much freedom, in that aspect India is great. Some people have taken adantage of this freedom & have misused it, in that aspect we need to change the system.
RE:Third Class Country!
by Kalyana Venkatesh on Mar 16, 2007 01:50 AM
where are the politicians coming from. are they not from the common public. so blame the people not just politicians..
RE:People are same every where ...
by Vik Raman on Mar 16, 2007 12:16 AM
Not really. When you see someone stopping at a Stop sign at 2am in America (this is just a stop sign, not a traffic light) you know that essentially they are honest people. We are always trying to skim and cut corners. And before the entire world comes down on me on how Im unpatriotic and I should goto hell. It is a fact and Im part of it.
Lets try and learn from the best. We are always looking at the chalta hai attitude. That doesnt cut it.
RE:RE:People are same every where ...
by madhusudhana chavali on Mar 16, 2007 04:07 AM
do indians in america not stop at the stop sign? does that mean the honesty came to them from no where once they came to america. u do that cos u know there can be cameras everywhere and if u are caught then u get points on your license, u may not be able to drive and that would mean u will not be able to live.. and so on and so forth. Dont tell me, americans are the most honest people on the face of earth.BTW who are americans? Is there any true american apart from Red Indians? Senthil is absolutely right.
RE:RE:RE:People are same every where ...
by Anits notgiving on Mar 16, 2007 08:58 AM
well americans may not be as honset. But you yourself mentioned that they are afraid if there are cameras, why cant this be implemented in India, especially with India growing so fast, we aer not as poor a country as we used to be? That way can't we tackle the "chalta hai sab karte hai hum bhi karenge" attitude?
RE:RE:RE:People are same every where ...
by Ganesh R on Mar 16, 2007 06:53 AM
America or Japan or UK why west, consider Singapore too has a provision in their system to catch people who are disobedient or dishonest. Who knows they might have hidden camera even in restrooms to check violations. Do we have that? NO. Even if we have? "Chatha hai", I agree with Raman.
RE:RE:People are same every where ...
by Vas on Mar 16, 2007 07:25 PM
In many western countries, people stop at red lights because of honesty?? What perverse, juvenile conclusion is that! The penalties for breaking or violating traffic laws in many western countries is extremely high and stringent. It is the fear of being penalized monetarily (the penalties for traffic violation are quite high in many parts of Europe) that keeps the public in check to some extent. In fact, I have seen more people in countries like Netherlands, where there is very high penalties for traffic violations, committ traffic violations when they think they can get away with it, and that are no camera vigilance or traffic police to to catch them. So much for their honesty. Obviously it is not honesty that keeps the majority from breaking traffic rules in these countries, but the high penalties and strict reinforcement of the penalties that seems to keep them in check.
Don't paint too much rosy pictures of the western world to other Indians under the belief that many have not travelled or lived outside the country. You must one of those white-collar coolies who has recently come to the west for the first time, and gah-gahs about everything in the west. Bah!
RE:RE:RE:People are same every where ...
by Anits notgiving on Mar 19, 2007 07:28 AM
well Mr.Vas then WHY CANT WE Impose Such stringent penalities? You don't like being compared with white people on honsety level, so it be. Agreed they are not honest, they are just scared. Then introduce that in Indian minds, for a good cause.
