Learning Management or Technical course through local language is not at all bad. We are not native speaker of English to think and emote in it. Language is just a tool to communicate cannot be made it as a way to think and act. Students from Tier 2 or Tier 3 schools are not as bad as what Rashmi mentioned above. I have seen a Tier 3 B School guy did exceptional well and successfully managing a team of the so called Tier 1 School graduates in an MNC. Tier 1 gives you an easy entry tag but nevertheless it is not going change what you are or what you capable of. If you really compare them after a decade or two. You will know the real difference.
Many international companies want to sell their products & services to customers with the help of sales guy who can communicate well in regional language.
I would say ROI from Tier 2 & 3 schools are better than Tier 1. at the end of day we don't need all our MBA need to cater to global market alone.
Re: May not accept whatever Rashmi Writes
by manu mehrotra on Jan 06, 2011 09:10 PM
I am a graduate student at a top US university.... Once while giving an internship interview to a company the technical guy; an all American stopped me in the middle of my sentence and said "please don't fake our accent and I am ok even if you speak wrong english... it is your technical knowhow that we want and not a knowhow of your mimicry skills"... I was flabergasted and came back to my true self and believe me that helped me in communicating my thoughts in a better way to him... now after working for 4 months with him I have adopted his accent as well... everything comes with time and experience....nothing out of the box :)
Re: Re: May not accept whatever Rashmi Writes
by Sangeetha on Jan 07, 2011 01:31 AM
yes, Manu. I also noticed that in US , they dont mind your accents. In fact, Americans themselves have different accents depending on their part of US. Its only in India that people make fun of others just due to accent.
GIGO stands for Garbage In and Garbage out, and this is what these B-Schools do too students. They get trash, them they impart their so called management education, take these trashes to Industry visit, which is mostly to local plants, the critical element, the training is provided, but most of the students end up working as sales agents in Insurance, Banks, Real Estate brokers or work in a consultancy as a recuriter( read tele caller). Curriculum there is a big joke. 99% of them even dont know how to undertake industrial projects, forget about making a report. So then they fly to market ( e.g bersarai in Delhi to buy them, yes, dont get surprised, they actually do this). Placement is the biggest joke, because it actually never happens, and avg salary is laughable. Companies are jokes too, because the kind of job they get, it hardly makes sense for a coveted MBA degree or PGDM diploma. Placement sessions are junk, where 10s of students are rushed to Insurance, Broking, banks ets where they are offered some paltry salary and they get officially placed by the college. Faculty is a big joke too, they however do have some quality faculties from premier B schools who come on visiting basis.
Anyways, I am not thrashing students or colleges either. There are Millions of student in India, and only a handful of Premier colleges. Merit is high, where to go?? obviously a no. of students are deserving, but then hard luck and lack of hard work go hand in hand.
First & Foremost, in China is MBA taught in English in their top schools? Russians & Germans learnt Rocket Science & Engineering in English? LANGUAGE DOES NOT TEACH CONCEPTS. Concepts are concepts even if taught in Telugu or Gujrati. These MBA's can become top class executives atleast in their home states/local business orgs if not in India.
Re: English ....
by commonsense on Jan 06, 2011 02:57 PM
It is nice that you all guys are instantly jumping to the defence of local languages; one thing you seem to miss:
In China, entire country speaks Mandarin (ie 1 billion people)where as in India there are at least 9 major languages ie Hindi, Gujarathi, Marathi, Telugu, Tamil, Kannada, Malayalam, Oriya and Bengali. It is easier to Translate from english to one language and not at least 9 languages. Russians WERE good at only Rocket Science; apparently they forgot about general populance. If the country's resources are used for only developing rocket science then any one can become expert. What is the population/area of Germany. Being from a non-Hindi state, I would rather learn English than Hindi. I fully agree that knowledge of local language certainly helps as you can see from many PSU managers, IAS officers have picked up at least 6 languages during their career. But certainly, english has helped more. and I have also seen many a Top executives fumble due to lack of English. Lastly, we are all happily posting messages in English; imaging a Telugu, Hindi, Gujarati Rediff
Re: English ....
by salesjb on Jan 06, 2011 02:15 PM
yes all over world people excel with their own language that may be china, France, Jermany, Russia or any nation . But it is typical we indian who want to be master of our master's language not the concept.
Re: Re: English ....
by salesjb on Jan 06, 2011 02:22 PM
This crap like Rashmi Bansal and her English follower were only responsible to this . Due to these mentality india today became a follower and not self dependent.
The general challenge in our country is not the secondry education. The Quality of secondry education can be fine tuned only if primary education improvised. This can be done if the subjets in the primary education system is streamlined into seletive boards like CBSE or ICSE. No other board, hence forth be given importance. This is to standardise the education system in the coutnry and avoid any discrepency. Again the education system must select subjects and offer them as compulsory ones. English should be the only medium of instruction across the country. No doubt all other subjects should be offeres as optional. This will not marginalise other subjects, however this will offer them an option to select thier respective interest.
Re: Very poor comment by rashmi
by Harit Shah on Jan 06, 2011 01:02 PM
Really?!?!? Is that all you have to say?!? A load of generalistic BS?!? Where's your reasoning, rationale as to why do you think it is a poor comment by Rashmi? Come on dude, at least explain why you think it is a poor comment! That way I can also say, an absolutely hopeless comment by you without explaining my reason!
Re: Re: Very poor comment by rashmi
by Pradeep on Jan 06, 2011 01:50 PM
I will reply.
First & Foremost, in China is MBA taught in English in their top schools? Russians & Germans learnt Rocket Science & Engineering in English. LANGUAGE DOES NOT TEACH CONCEPTS. Concepts are concepts even if taught in Telugu or Gujrati. These MBA's can become top class executives atleast in their home states if not in India.
Re: Re: Re: Very poor comment by rashmi
by narinder singh on Jan 06, 2011 06:43 PM
i aagree with u. we in Rajrishi School of Management at Varanasi teach them 'we are more INdian yetg we are more international. we teach them ernglish and hinsi both
Having helped a tier-3 school to move to tier-2 and now being part of another tier-3 school, I suppose I have the credentials to comment on the article.
While it is true that good communication skills are important, and that English is an important language, knowledge of the local language (in an Indian context) and a foreign language (in a global context) are equally important. In fact, having also been in charge of placements, I have witnessed a shift in the expectations of recruiters - particularly for the sales job that has been highlighted - recruiters expect candidates to have a working knowledge of the local language. By the same logic, a working knowledge of German or French or Spanish or Mandarin would do no harm if one is looking at opportunities beyond Indian shores.
The comment about girls is disturbing because it is not true. Most of the young ladies who I had the privilege to have as my students, and hailing from tier-2 or tier-3 towns have proved themselves to be exceptional managers in great organizations. In fact, one of them is the youngest General Manager in a MNC. Neither she nor her parents are particularly anxious about her marriage.
To say or even imply that students join a MBA program just to have a degree or to improve their prospects of getting a better life partner is preposterous if not insinuating. There may be a few such cases but the golden rule in management is not to generalize from a small minority.
Re: Tier 3 B-Schools
by Muhammed on Jan 06, 2011 01:44 PM
Mr Baragur Krishnamurthy - -from Which College did Dhirubhai Ambani Graduated?? Also can you list down your students who have been successful entrepreneurs?
Re: Re: Tier 3 B-Schools
by Baragur Krishnamurthy on Jan 06, 2011 06:19 PM
Mr Muhammed: the point that you don't need an MBA to become an entrepreneur is well taken. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are college drop-outs. More than 50% of the best performing CEOs globally are not MBAs. To use these statistics to argue that we don't need education is stretching the argument a little too far. For the average individual, education opens doors that would otherwise be shut. 12 of my students have become successful entrepreneurs and have provided employment to over a 1000 people. This is not even a drop in the ocean but the little drops do make up the ocean. 3 have become social entrepreneurs who want to make a difference in their villages. For educators, this is the greatest satisfaction. Either we can be cynical about everything around us or do our little bit to make a small difference. The choice is entirely ours and there is no "one size fits all" answer to any question.
Re: Tier 3 B-Schools
by Avinash Tauro on Jan 06, 2011 12:29 PM
Such an excellent observation by you marred by repeated posting making it just another SPAM.
Having helped a tier-3 school to move to tier-2 and now being part of another tier-3 school, I suppose I have the credentials to comment on the article.
While it is true that good communication skills are important, and that English is an important language, knowledge of the local language (in an Indian context) and a foreign language (in a global context) are equally important. In fact, having also been in charge of placements, I have witnessed a shift in the expectations of recruiters - particularly for the sales job that has been highlighted - recruiters expect candidates to have a working knowledge of the local language. By the same logic, a working knowledge of German or French or Spanish or Mandarin would do no harm if one is looking at opportunities beyond Indian shores.
The comment about girls is disturbing because it is not true. Most of the young ladies who I had the privilege to have as my students, and hailing from tier-2 or tier-3 towns have proved themselves to be exceptional managers in great organizations. In fact, one of them is the youngest General Manager in a MNC. Neither she nor her parents are particularly anxious about her marriage.
To say or even imply that students join a MBA program just to have a degree or to improve their prospects of getting a better life partner is preposterous if not insinuating. There may be a few such cases but the golden rule in management is not to generalize from a small minority.
