IITs, its mostly filled by middle class people. So govt is out there to destroy this instiution so that rich and powerful can get in, like they do elsewhere.
Re: SINCE THE KIDS OF RICH AND POWERFUL ARE NOT ABLE TO GET INTO
by minakshi k on Sep 15, 2010 07:31 PM
All India Enterence like any other Medical college.Poor(not based on caste)& ofcourse good student only will get scolership for education.Equall for e.one.
Re: Re: SINCE THE KIDS OF RICH AND POWERFUL ARE NOT ABLE TO GET I
by such jano on Sep 15, 2010 07:45 PM
I was refering to admission based on 12th marks as proposed by SibalChootiya. You can appear in bihar board and write exams at home an secure 99% marks and get admission to IITs if sibal has his way.
Re: Re: Re: SINCE THE KIDS OF RICH AND POWERFUL ARE NOT ABLE TO G
by minakshi k on Sep 15, 2010 07:58 PM
No No,they will get chance for 3 semistar to prove they are worthy to get scolership. "you cannot stop digging the well for water in the fear that some one will put some poison in it."
medical education is an exclusive field.the clinical medicine cannot be taught in iits.special infrastructure is required for the purpose including hospitals,diagnostic facilities,almost a fullfleged medical college. instead a medical college can be adopted similar to a university adopting one.standard of education has to be under one governing body for uniformity in medical education.we have enough human resources in this field who are working in different countries due silly rules and regulations.it is funny to invite foreign faculty in india.people of outstnding ability ate available in the country.appears as if mr kapil sibbal is under a foreign influence lest he would not entertained such an idea.why not leave medical education to medical experts as far as policy decisions are concerned and not on lawyers and definitely not on a politician. prof s c kohli ,manipal college of medical sciences, pokhra, nepal.
Re: medical education in iits.
by minakshi k on Sep 15, 2010 07:05 PM
we need more hospitals,if u create a medical college near the building it will be good.good for students & people also.get more jobs (employment) also.
Why should IITs be banned from offering MBBS? Nothing wrong in offering one, but I will find it awkward if my MBBS degree certificate bears the name of Indian Institute of TECHNOLOGY as the degree conferring authority. So do we change the name to say Indian Institute of Technology and Science? Now, if I were an IITian I will find it difficult to digest the fact that my alma matter is no more and has been rebranded as IITM or IIST (Indian Institute of Science and Technology) or something else. IIT is too valuable a brand to change. So, the sensible way ahead is to start Indian Institute(s) of Medicine with the IIT playing the role of a foster parent. This would be just like the established IMMs helping new IIMs.
Sibal himself being a lawyer from an uber rich section of society is just ambitiously trying to further his political career and its unfortunate for India that islands of excellence will have to bear the wrath of his ambitions. Sibal is arrogant and rich. The first case he ever fought was a supreme court!!! How many lawyers have this privilege or connection. He has been extremely connected and rich from his childhood and therefore has a least understanding of rigor and pain the countries poor but intelligent kids have to go through. While rich are born with a silver spoon in their mouth poor kid has to strive through the poor governmental school system and then fight the resourceful kids by literally sweat and blood. While rich can still afford private education poor has no choice but to compete for government seats in institutes like IIT's and NIT's. While poor kids go to state education system and pass with 60-65 % marks their rich counterpart in city schools and ICSE and CBSE boards pass with 90-98% marks. It's simply unbeatable. The poor kids have lost the door to salvation through education in india due to faulty and richguided policies of the UPA and incompetent Sibal. India will have to pay for it in the times to come in terms of incompetency and mediocre work force. Has Sibal taken any effort to undo the distortion that he is creating in the system? Sibal should be sent to H**l. He doesn't deserve to be a minister of Indian cabinet.
Re: a very wrong decision
by Desi on Sep 15, 2010 08:05 PM
I do not know where you get your information and your statistics. Passing board exams has nothing to do with your wealth but your effort, intelligence and perseverance. Whatever may have been the man's motivation, this is a good move. More doctors will become available in the years to come and you will thank Sibal for it. Stop cribbing.
Re: Re: a very wrong decision
by narendera kumar on Sep 16, 2010 07:31 AM
U r either stupid ( who one hand does not know the complexities & intricacies of the education system , but commenting on the proposed reforms ) OR u r a supporter of CONGRESS . IN any case , u r not sincere .
The act of changing the policies of islands of excellence is basically an act of treason. These policies will simply remove the focus of best brains to concentrate on rote knowledge than the fundamentals, which will at best turn them into copy cats like Chinese. The best thing a government can do for educational institutes is give them enough resources, pay fair salaries for PhD's professors and encourage innovations and measure the performance of institutions through an independent board (preferably international, comprising of intellectuals from various countries). Instead the government should focus on primary and secondary education and look forward to introducing a measure of excellence in the system rather than getting popular by introducing hazardous measures which discourage students from pursuing studies seriously. The western policy of education will not work here as per capita resources for education and avenues are limited. For countryman to succeed they need to out work as well as outsmart the pupils from developed and other developing countries. So strong work ethic is a must. By making best institutions of the institute grant admission on the basis of marks in board exams will change the focus of the brightest towards rote education than strengthening their fundamentals of science and other streams. Thus Sibal will single handedly make India an incompetent nation in next 10 years.
Its a very wrong decision, or at least the wrong timing. My reasons are as follows, 1. india is yet to develop into a destination producing engineering marvel. IIT have not achieved their own objectives. So how can we trust them with another field like medicine too? Sibal's arrogant behavior will be highly damaging to education sector. And its sibal's attitude problem and his own political ambitions that he is playing at india's cost. 2. Sibal's first decision to introduce admission in IIT's on the basis of marks will help uber rich getting into IIT's much more easily due to the kind of schools they go to and kind of preparation due to peer environment in those corporate schools, living in lurk the people from villages or small towns and poor but intelligent students. Most importantly the people from stateboards will be worst hit, as at an average the marks obtained could be 10-15% lower. IITs which had one of the toughest entrance tests will be weakened and in few batches after introduction their will be only isolated islands of excellence in IIT's. Mediocres and rote masters will get into iit and will not be able to bear the flag to intellectual supremacy in the global arena. 3. Starting a medical education in an engineering institute may be an attempt to copy Harvard cambridge educational model. But it won't work in india. No copy cat solution has ever workled in india before. It would have been much better if a number of AIIMS were opened and made into a medicine
As usual those who study in it will fly to other countries as soon as they complete the study. So, bad move for India, good move for who study in it. India need not waste tax money on it.
