It has been observed that only dominant caste like yadavs are eating up most pie of OBC reservation , so we demand a caste based reservation like yadav 2% , gujjar 5% , it is illegal to club all lion and lambs under OBC category and ask them to compete.
Re: 'First they want to remove the caste bias then want to condu
by Pranab M on Jun 24, 2010 01:50 PM
It has been observed that only dominant caste like yadavs are eating up most pie of OBC reservation , so we demand a caste based reservation like yadav 2% , gujjar 5% , it is illegal to club all lion and lambs under OBC category and ask them to compete.
1. we need to introduce A legislation, where any Cast related commission,will not be allowed to setup. If any vested interest Party tries to set up such commission,should be punished by law. And that party won't be allowed to contest in Election. 2. For the Minority Sects, like Muslims, Christians,and other fringe religious sects will not enjoy special status on their religious basis, but will receive assistance's on the basis of their Economical, educational, and other backwardness's status, comparing to those main stream Indians of the country. 3. Abolish all kind of Human Right Commissions or concerns, Local or international. Reason? These concerns are paid dogs, who only look after the interests of Multinational companies. 4. We need through overhauling our Judicial system. We need common law, for all inhabitants inside India. I mean he have to abolish all kind of "Muslim law Boards, and their Sharia Law practices, because these Boards' practices are divisive, communal in nature. 4. Indians are all Hindus [Irrespective of their religious practices, and "Majabs"], so If you are Indians, then act like an Indian, and be patriotic. I think, we should call us "BHARATIO", not as "Indian",
Re: OK, What we are Going to do About it??
by Pranab M on Jun 24, 2010 01:51 PM
It has been observed that only dominant caste like yadavs are eating up most pie of OBC reservation , so we demand a caste based reservation like yadav 2% , gujjar 5% , it is illegal to club all lion and lambs under OBC category and ask them to compete.
Upper caste chauvanist have grabbed the large chunk of share of low caste people under the grab of Merit these are the very people who are opposing caste census.
Re: CASTE CENSUS
by ravitalisma on Jun 21, 2010 11:34 AM
ransaran, Merit is nothing but the % of information you know about the subject its not the merit of his caste. If you score 100% in maths in your 10th grade you are very good at maths. Do you want in your office a person who knows 20% maths or 80% maths. Dont combine merit with caste. Upper caste/Lower caste has nothing to do with merit. It is the mesure of your knowledg in a subject higher is always good right.
Re: Re: CASTE CENSUS
by HRM on Jun 21, 2010 11:41 AM
Maths does'nt decide the world. But for the sake of arguments, let me say that I prefer 80%.
But,in a country like India, where there is population of more than a billion, give me one reason y, the most prefered private instituions/management institutions hv a low percentage admissions of the under privilleged?
The real situation is, even if the underprivilleged has scored 100% in the privates, he is sidelined becoz of his position. So how do u empower the minorities/underprivilleged in a collective bargaining?
Re: Re: Re: CASTE CENSUS
by ravitalisma on Jun 21, 2010 11:47 AM
I used maths as an example :) for that sake any subject. Which private has sidelined a person who came to interview with 100% in his score card and with most of the knowledge becoz of caste. For eg wont you get selected in Wipro/Infosys provided that person clears their techincal rounds??
Re: Re: Re: Re: CASTE CENSUS
by HRM on Jun 21, 2010 11:54 AM
India is a developing country... At the moment percentiles should not be taken as the deciding factor, becoz, the age long social depravity had empowered the forwards for a better education and a better understanding of the education system in India. What is the position of those who are socially deprived for many years and are only 1st or 2nd generation graduates? Should they suffer becoz their percentiles is low?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: CASTE CENSUS
by ravitalisma on Jun 21, 2010 11:59 AM
I agree, so I start seeing that you know the problem is not their caste its their social status right. So who ever is social deprived leaving out the CASTE should be provided with reservation. Let that be upper or lower caste. If a lower caste person is well socially he should not get reservation right?? For this no need to perform caste census, you need to collect statstics on who has already used reservation and is enabled and remove their names from further benifits using reservation.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: CASTE CENSUS
by HRM on Jun 21, 2010 12:10 PM
U'll not find many. The social upgradation has not been achieved despite the reservation which is already in force. The claim of reservation is mainly becoz, there is no social upgradation.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: CASTE CENSUS
by ravitalisma on Jun 21, 2010 02:12 PM
not Many (you may mean only few) in our hight populus country and after providing for 60 YEARS !! I must admit :). So that shows the present reservation addresses what :)
Let us put a rule. Any person wishing to contest the elections or joining the govt service must compulsorily marry a dalit person. If already married, he/she must sign a pledge to make his/her children marry a dalit.
Re: Re: Caste Census is must
by ravitalisma on Jun 21, 2010 11:06 AM
Upper caste / Lower caste can you define them please??. How you clasify someone upper caste and lower caste. Caste has no degree of mesurement. May be the work they do can be mesured as upper or lower based on earnings. Even upper caste person can be a pune which is lower profile. Come out of the narrow thinking as I said :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Caste Census is must
by ravitalisma on Jun 21, 2010 11:27 AM
what way will my marriage affect to caste census being right or wrong? Are you married to a chamar girl, first i dont know what is chamar girl?
It hardly matters. Nowadays there are so many intercaste marriages also encouraged by the government; what will they say if asked what their caste is? Besides, some govrnments are going one step further, by segregating into castes even where people are muslim by religion; whereas the locus standi of caste is that religion of the caste holder must be hindu. What then will happen to Christians, Buddhists and other denominations? Will they also be divided into castes? To most, it may still be repugnant. Besides, is it what the founding fathers of our Constitution ever intended?
Re: Casteism
by HRM on Jun 21, 2010 10:51 AM
Dear Mr.Louis, In India Religion has not played any role in erassing the caste system. Be it islam/christianity.. they also follow casteism. The main reason is becoz of the influence of hindooism casteism is still prevailing in other religion. Even though the govt. is promoting intercaste marriage, u can find many honor killlings happening. Therefore for a social justice we need reservation despite the religious background
Re: SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE ENJOINING CASTE BENIFITS
by ravitalisma on Jun 21, 2010 10:47 AM
come out of your well, caste census will continue to those 'some people' who are enjoing caste benifits, since govt will provide more benifits to them for vote bank
Re: Re: SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE ENJOINING CASTE BENIFITS
by Roy on Jun 21, 2010 10:53 AM
Caste based census will bring out,How Meenas and Shaizas,Ezhavas misuse the concept of Reservation,even if they are rich and affulent.
So caste based Census is a Must.Why we have to be afraid of a realty existing in India.
Re: Re: Re: SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE ENJOINING CASTE BENIFITS
by ravitalisma on Jun 21, 2010 11:01 AM
If rightfully used caste based census will help growth. With 63 years of Indian govt which could not remove even a single caste from Reservation system, you should be day dreaming that they will use it for removal of casts or individuals from reservation. It will be the most misused statstical data which can ever exist in India since polticians know to appease which caste how much come out of the narrow thinking first and understand the root requirement congress is targetting
Re: SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE ENJOINING CASTE BENIFITS
by Pranab M on Jun 24, 2010 01:52 PM
It has been observed that only dominant caste like yadavs are eating up most pie of OBC reservation , so we demand a caste based reservation like yadav 2% , gujjar 5% , it is illegal to club all lion and lambs under OBC category and ask them to compete.
In a Country of 120 crore people.Rediff can get maximum of 5000 paid Sanghis aganist caste based census.Why only rediff is aganist this policy,which was unanimously accepted by parliment.
In India caste is reality.Even if the so called upper caste people always blame British for such systems.That is ridiculous.
Re: Re: Poor Rediff
by ravitalisma on Jun 21, 2010 10:49 AM
Thanks reservation benificiaries, spine less ppl using reservation to gain mommentum not true will.
Re: Re: Re: Poor Rediff
by ransaran on Jun 21, 2010 11:03 AM
U Upper caste chauvanist u have grabbed the large chunk of share of low caste people under the grab of Merit
Re: Re: Re: Poor Rediff
by Roy on Jun 21, 2010 10:53 AM
Caste based census will bring out,How Meenas and Shaizas,Ezhavas misuse the concept of Reservation,even if they are rich and affulent.
So caste based Census is a Must.Why we have to be afraid of a realty existing in India.
After benefiting and becoming rich by using caste,now some people don't want caste based census and reservation,remember only one caste has the licenses for study for 2000 thousand years.people who will work hard will always have future but who depends on caste will get only wrotten dog as food.
Re: 2000 Thousand Years Discrimination
by Pranab M on Jun 24, 2010 01:52 PM
It has been observed that only dominant caste like yadavs are eating up most pie of OBC reservation , so we demand a caste based reservation like yadav 2% , gujjar 5% , it is illegal to club all lion and lambs under OBC category and ask them to compete.
