Western Education is a sham and ethics is never a part of their academics be it IIT or IIM ; IT company owners in India are petty street fellas who call them businessmen and moment they start earning money in multiples of 25 paise ,they start thinking them as Industrisits; Info-tech in India is like HAVALDAR ,COOLIE and MALI people who call them executives of modern professionalism in this land which is another sham; Westerns imperialistic powers will always creates slaves as such and make them grin under false pride to fight among themselves;
Some mistakes in the earlier post. Hence the repost.
He is the icon. And I do have a lot of respect for what he has achieved. But:
1. A person who spends 4 years at IIT Kanpur - BE
2. Then he comes to IIM-A and spends 2/3 years there - system adminstrator
3. Then he comes to Mumbai/Pune and stays there for 7/8 years - builds his career, gets married and his children studies there.
Conservative estimate - 10 years of stay outside of his home. Now the same person says:
"I do not know Hindi when some children enthusiastically ask question in Hindi".
Now how can childrean differentiate you based on your language identity???
Next Sample - more heroic:
"I can not play India's National Anthem as there are many non-Indians in my Bangalore campus".
If that is what expected from top people, you can imagine the situation in the company.
Bottomline: Earn money, respect like Gods to westerners so that you can your money converted from dollars, backstab other indians based on languages, indentity, region and stay rich. That is all what matters in IT companies.
Re: Etiquette and Manners !!!
by M on Nov 26, 2014 01:33 PM
Western Education is a sham and ethics is never a part of their academics be it IIT or IIM ; IT company owners in India are petty street fellas who call the businessmen and moment they start earning money in multiples of 25 paise ,they start thinking them as Industrisits; Info-tech in India is like HAVALDAR ,COOLIE and MALI people who call them executives of modern professionalism in this land which is another sham; Westerns imperialistic powers will always creates slaves as such and make the grin under false pride to fight among themselves;
Re: Etiquette and Manners !!!
by Ramanjaneya K on Sep 30, 2008 03:12 PM
Hello Hari.. u show respect to a regional language.. u r not respecting the other part of india i.e. South India and how can anyone expect you to be integral and rational and how can you contribute to india.. go stick to basics and get primary education...
like u said ladies should enter first and men should keep door open for them.... Now see this.. In India doors are of narrow kind, and it depends on the following- if door is of pull kind ,pull the dooor and let lady enter first, if door is of push kind , you enter inside first and hold it till the lady enters. If the door is of pull/ push kind, it is better you push and enter and hold door for lady to enter.
These refined things should be taught in ettiqutte and not all generalised things as given in this article.
Thank you for all these general ettiquets , we need to introspect and make these ettiquets more refined and specific and not general which are found in all websites and each book.
I was into one of the most admired IT companies in South India...err some people tell it is most admired outsourcing company. Here is what you will find:
Caution: Facts as always are difficult to digest. So...
First Day
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1. 90% of the people I met are basically greeted me without looking at my face!!
2. The manager was the best!. first question - are you married ???
3. I was put into the cubicle where there was no computer. After 3 days the computer came and manager is telling you should have told me earlier. You see he is a smart guy, but here it is crookedness.
4. I was the lead engineer and there were couple of other lead engineers (team size around 30). They were the most panicked one as if I am there to take there bread and butter. They when talk, started talking in their usual native toungues - which were anyway greek to me!!
After some time:
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1. In emails, there are no subjects, sign of respect and anything of analytical value at all.
2. The manager goes into local singing competition (here the movie stars are like gods!).
3. Hall greetings, conversation etc are always in local tongue - 2 tamils will be tamil, 2 telugus will be telugu and so on. It is pure groupism.
4. The General Manager, who is tamilian is the epitome of civility. He only chooses tamilians and speaks in tamils in hush hush tone with his lie-u-ten-ants. People were calling it tamilization of the business unit.
Re: Etiquette in IT companies in South India
by prashant kulkarni on Aug 01, 2010 04:39 PM | Hide message
yup..very true...even I have experienced the same in an MNC that I work for in hyderabad...basically im a hyderabadi and I know marathi,telugu and hindi...yup..very true...even I have experienced the same in an MNC that I work for in hyderabad...basically im a hyderabadi ..... ppl here in my team are mostly from andhra and tamilnadu and some from northen part of india...whenever i used to talk with my andhra colleagues they used to say that my telugu is not upto the mark and they used to make fun of it....these guys cant talk in either hindi or english properly so there was no other go for me...and they are always busy talking about cheranjeevi and balakrishna....they used to isolate the northern guys only because they cant speak the language....and this showed a impact in overall team performance ...finally ppl were fired coz of teams low performance....doesnt this speaking in regional language at workplace cost us a job ?
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Re: Etiquette in IT companies in South India
by prakash mohanasundaram on Sep 02, 2008 03:35 PM
Hari either u r too much of an introvert who is unable to mingle with people of different people, or u r simply idle at office that creates such hallucinations. Whats u r problem is whos going where. If tamils and telugus greet themselves in their language whats the problem. U also speak u r mother tongue in your city right. I need not speak in Latin to my own people just because i know the language. Now tell me why should the whole office talk hush hush about u. Sounds stupid right!!!!! Its not that u r the CEO or something for everyone to hush hush abt u. So chill out change u r attitude, u ll find this useful
Re: Etiquette in IT companies in South India
by Deepak sharma on Sep 02, 2008 09:06 PM
You are right. We want others to change and behave as per our own thinking.
Re: Etiquette in IT companies in South India
by Ram on Sep 04, 2008 09:53 AM
"If tamils and telugus greet themselves in their language whats the problem"
This happens with every community in every city in india. In bombay, if 2 punjabis meet, they talk in punjabi. If 2 oriyas meet, they talk in oriya, and so on.
Re: Etiquette in IT companies in South India
by Hari on Sep 05, 2008 08:06 AM
I fully support languages. As someone pointed out, how will two tamils talk? In Greek. No! They will of course talk in Tamil. It is perfectly alright.
The question is when you are in a group of people, in meetings, in hallway discussions, in outdoors, in communities. You should stick to the common language, which is English.
Here, I find the these people to be crazy. They just blindly talk in their languages. And many times they are fully aware of it and do it knowingly.
Impact:
1. You alienate the very people you are going to work with.
2. You created mistrust. He or she does not understand your language and need not.
3. You made him or her feel like an outcast. So given chance, he/she will do the same thing and more harsher it will be.
4. You created a group based on a language and encouraged others who are junior to you to do the same. It is a two way sword. It will be applied to you also.
5. What is worst - the top management people do it routinely. They are actually terried people who have come from some other industries for money and have no idea of what software is about. And they could not trust anyone.
Well, then what the heck - as someone will point out. Why should I talk in English?
Wait, we have been ruled for over 200 years by British and we will be ruled by another 200 years by some other nation. Perhaps, then it will be understood.
Re: Re: Etiquette in IT companies in South India
by Hari on Sep 05, 2008 08:06 AM
No wonder, people who are fanatic about their languages, never fought for the country's independence.
Name me five people from south who can stand to a Gandhi or a Nehru or a Patel or a Tilak or a Desai. I can bet not a single one will come! Only thing they can tell is we have Rajanikanth!!! Some even tell he is a freedom fighter!
Re: Re: Re: Etiquette in IT companies in South India
by Natarhajan J on Nov 26, 2014 02:40 PM
Fool you dont learn the history of south India. First go and learn who started the revolution against British.
Re: Etiquette in IT companies in South India
by Guest on Sep 11, 2008 07:23 PM
we understand your frustration... You are trying to accuse a community... It doesn't happen only in south India.. It happens every where if we go to North India we feel the same... May be becoz they are more expressive in their own language than a foreign that's main reason they use their mother tongue... They were born and brough up in their language... So there is no point in accusing a set of people... You look at them as a foreigner bcoz you don't know the language they speak.. If they speak in your language you would be happy... It works the same way every where... Chill out... It is India.. Unity in diversity..
Re: Re: Etiquette in IT companies in South India
by Yashu on Oct 24, 2013 02:58 PM
I am with Hari in this matter, I agree because i am an HR of the very bog IT company and when it comes to group discussions , conferences there must be a spirit of team work and team building and sticking to the common language. i.e. ENGLISH strictly, our MD Is a local but he sees that he doesnt allow people to talk in local language in meetings and conference, the employees coming from other state feel left out if this happens and brings down the morale of the employees. it is just a way of showing professionalism and etiquettes
Re: Re: Re: Etiquette in IT companies in South India
by K G on Nov 26, 2014 01:39 PM
WOW...let us not confuse strictly business with mostly-personal-generic-and-occasionally-about-business-yet-not-strictly-business situations. Hari's rants are typical problem a north indian faces in south india and sees it full. Infact if one assumes he being UPwala and if he goes and works in Bengal or Orissa he would be seeing same group discussions in local language where the group is ofcourse comprising of locals hence it turns into majority's (of that group) language. Why Hari will face but will not feel the pinch in Bengal/Orissa is simply because he still can make out what they speak as those languages have majority of words common to Hari's language just that their usage and pronunciation might differ which is easy for him to decipher. Same state for a malayali going to tamilnadu to work amongst tamils or kannadiga going to andhra/telengana versus going to UP or Bengal (assuming these south indian folks do not know hindi). This kind of 'English or Hindi only' mindset alienates the IT professional from the local (i.e. outside office) where people do not care to talk to you in English (those paperwala, dhoodhh wala, autowala and sarkari chota babu etc). Despite living in the place for over a year I have seen many such 'migrant IT folks' still live in alice wonderland stating English only (this holds good for SI going and working north). On the other hand a low end migrant worker doesnt whine like this after staying more than a year in new place.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Etiquette in IT companies in South India
by K G on Nov 26, 2014 01:56 PM
Coming to freedom fighter. It is laughable. So a malayali, or a kannadiga or a telugu or a tamil does not speak in English (a non mother tongue which constraints one's thought in free environment like non-business talks) makes that none of his ancestors have fought for freedom is it? If you are still in the fools paradise that the first war of freedom was fought only in 1857 then please wake up each south indian state has freedom fighters and fought independence for the country (not just their land) atleast 50 to 100 years before this 1857 war of independence (it is another sad story that even that 1857 was termed as sepoy mutiny, which is still being used by those anglicised media and think tanks). Rajaji this one SI is far better than the so called desh-bhakt Nehru. Yet no new gen person north of vindhya (except perhaps Marathi/Gujarathi) know about him. Each SI state has had its tally of 10s of Rajajis. Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose had SIs are his trusted " lie-u-ten-ants" not just because the predominant SI-ians in his army but also because of their deshbakhthis. It goes way back to Vivekananda who is very very fond of SIs and was patronaged by SI kings. Let us learn the History fully even that is taught by these maculay's kids.
Re: Re: Re: Etiquette in IT companies in South India
by K G on Nov 26, 2014 01:57 PM
Coming to freedom fighter. It is laughable. So a malayali, or a kannadiga or a telugu or a tamil does not speak in English (a non mother tongue which constraints one's thought in free environment like non-business talks) makes that none of his ancestors have fought for freedom is it? If you are still in the fools paradise that the first war of freedom was fought only in 1857 then please wake up each south indian state has freedom fighters and fought independence for the country (not just their land) atleast 50 to 100 years before this 1857 war of independence (it is another sad story that even that 1857 was termed as sepoy mutiny, which is still being used by those anglicised media and think tanks). Rajaji this one SI is far better than the so called desh-bhakt Nehru. Yet no new gen person north of vindhya (except perhaps Marathi/Gujarathi) know about him. Each SI state has had its tally of 10s of Rajajis. Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose had SIs are his trusted " lie-u-ten-ants" not just because the predominant SI-ians in his army but also because of their deshbakhthis. It goes way back to Vivekananda who is very very fond of SIs and was patronaged by SI kings. Let us learn the History fully even that is taught by these maculay's kids.
Re: == Best Place ==
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