Who is adi shankara and wht is his qualifications ? Can the son of a brahmin can be a dalit at social level? Or can the son of dalit be a brahmin in society as we peceive today ? Can you tell me what is that truth you are referring to ? To me, a religion or system must address the core issues like pain and sufferings living beings and also it must teach us how to accept pain and move a head with more strength and dedication. I didnt had any exposure to such concepts when I was a dalit, but after knowing Christianity, I feel I have done a good hing in my life. Now I am confident and can talk to anyone. I believe in values and virtues preached in bible. Things are not the same for me as compared to my past. I knw the difference now.
Re: @Musician
by Mike on May 13, 2009 03:07 PM
Musician, You didnt answer my Question. Wht is truth ? Is it living like dalit is truth? Is abandoning suffering people is truth ? Is untouchability is truth ? Where is your krishna or Rama when people are branded as untouchables ? How does your adi saknara addresses the core issue of pain and suffering ? Does he has any knowledge about the real issues of practical living ? To tell you solemnly, I am using my life as a message to dalits to know the truth of their miserable life and come out of the shackles and unjust restrictions imposed on them. They must be liberated in every way, especially the social taboo. They must realize their condition sooner and also must knw that they are fooled for centuries in the name of some strange philosophies and way of lives. They may not see the real difficulties but time will come when they will see what is really happening with them. They come come out of the system to see the real problem. I humbly say that Christianity has given me strength to work for dalits.
Re: @Musician
by Indian Citizen on May 13, 2009 03:39 PM
Mike, Your question could be answered in a simple way. Caste system was for the distribution of labour but only not a tag by birth. There are several kings who were born Kshatriyas but by KARMA they became Brahamins. Budha, Mahaveer were Kshatriyas by birth. Guru Drona was Brahamin but by Karma he became Kshatriya. At some stage of time, the concept of Karma vanished and it took the place of by Birth. Now a Brahamin by birth may be doing all karma of Shudra still called Brahmin. Some Manu or manulike persons propogated the idea by birth as it did not require any qualification to be Brahamin. To be brahamin by Karma needed lot of Tap or devotion to studies. Hindu religion is one of the greatest but in ZIP file and burried in the books which requires a selfless religious man to unfold it.
Re: @Musician
by Mike on May 13, 2009 03:07 PM
Musician, You didnt answer my Question. Wht is truth ? Is it living like dalit is truth? Is abandoning suffering people is truth ? Is untouchability is truth ? Where is your krishna or Rama when people are branded as untouchables ? How does your adi saknara addresses the core issue of pain and suffering ? Does he has any knowledge about the real issues of practical living ? To tell you solemnly, I am using my life as a message to dalits to know the truth of their miserable life and come out of the shackles and unjust restrictions imposed on them. They must be liberated in every way, especially the social taboo. They must realize their condition sooner and also must knw that they are fooled for centuries in the name of some strange philosophies and way of lives. They may not see the real difficulties but time will come when they will see what is really happening with them. They come come out of the system to see the real problem. I humbly say that Christianity has given me strength to work for dalits.
Re: Re: @Musician
by mudamosi on May 13, 2009 03:25 PM
What caste do u think Valmiki, Vyasa were born in to? Even your pet grouse Adi Shankara wrote a song in which he emphasises equality of humans Lastly, can you explain the concept of separate cemeteries in Tamil Nadu for Dalits and Caste Hindus?
Re: @Musician
by Prashant Mardolkar on May 13, 2009 02:59 PM
Who is christ and wht are his qualifications? Hinduism or lets say A Hindu way of life is the originator of all the religions be it BUDDHISM, ISLAM, CHRISTIANITY. Amen or Amin is the corrupted pronounciation of OM.
Re: Re: @Musician
by Mike on May 13, 2009 03:09 PM
Prasant, You are missing my point. Plz address the issue of pain and suffering. MEthods are not very important but actions are.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @Musician
by Mike on May 13, 2009 03:25 PM
He had his reasons. He was very much willing to follow Christ but he felt the faith has not originated in Inda. Thats the only reason he went for Buddhism. BUt I have my own views. I think wht Ambedkar did is wrong as Buddhism is a kind of atheism.
Re: Re: @Musician
by musician on May 13, 2009 03:13 PM
Bhakta tukaram, the great saint of maharashtra was born as dalit but had the darshan of lord krishna - he was granted salvation bodily - see encyclopaedia - this may seem unbelievable but truth stands. Who are you to ask about great incarnations and messengers - what are your qualifications. How can you say hinduism preaches inequality - see the bhakti yoga in geeta - what a human being should do is clearly mentioned - it says human being can become god by inculcating godly qualities - is this not the highest virtue preached by hinduism. I can quote scores of examples like this. Try to know the truth my dear brother.
Re: Re: Re: @Musician
by Mike on May 13, 2009 03:20 PM
I pitty on you. Rather than giving a convincing answer to my questions on pain and suffering, you are trying to defend your unjust beliefs thru the quotes of geetha, encyclopaedia, tukarama blah blah blah. I wud say you just shut your mouth and do your work. You are unfit for educating others about your own parent faith. You speak vague and blurred language which makes me feel laugh at your own knowledge hindu philosophy. You are not able to know the meaning of inequality. I dont want to talk to illiterates like you. Atleast you see a dalit like me. I can talk authoritatively on my past life and Christianity.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @Musician
by mudamosi on May 13, 2009 03:36 PM
" you are trying to defend your unjust beliefs" So you are biased. You will not see other views than your own. First of all what makes you feel your belief is justified? Like any other religion christianity too can be questioned. No where have you said, how it provided philosophies which alleviated your pain and sufferings, or holds the answer to that
Re: Re: Re: @Musician
by Mike on May 13, 2009 03:21 PM
I pitty on you. Rather than giving a convincing answer to my questions on pain and suffering, you are trying to defend your unjust beliefs thru the quotes of geetha, encyclopaedia, tukarama blah blah blah. I wud say you just shut your mouth and do your work. You are unfit for educating others about your own parent faith. You speak vague and blurred language which makes me feel laugh at your own knowledge hindu philosophy. You are not able to know the meaning of inequality. I dont want to talk to illiterates like you. Atleast you see a dalit like me. I can talk authoritatively on my past life and Christianity.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @Musician
by musician on May 13, 2009 03:40 PM
You are revealing your ignorant nature completely. It is known from your messages. You have not understood my message in any way. I was trying (only trying) to convince you that all human beings are equal before god (everybody can become god by inculcating divine qualities - every human being has a right to it)and which message is preached by all religions and I quoted example of so called people born as dalit (word according to you) but have become equal to god. Hope you at least understand what I wanted to convey. Without darkness, you cannot see light. Without pain and suffering, one cannot know happiness. Without rich, poor word has no meaning. Nature's laws are like that. Pain and suffering are a part of life, though few lucky ones have lesser pain and suffering and more happiness and vice versa. By the way what inequality you are talking about. Dalits have occupied higher positions in today's society, What do you say about that - is it inequality. Had it been there, would that have been possible.
Re: New News Website. Have a look
by Amit Sharma on May 13, 2009 03:06 PM
Read it and claim money fromm cnn ibn- owners of the site. When voters get 500 rupees, why not readers of cr ap??
Re: Swiss Govt. revealed that Indian Govt. did not approach right
by RG on May 13, 2009 03:03 PM
these r the 50 yr old delaying tactics whether it is bofors or afzal or kasab...they will kep submiting wrong or defective documents for yrs...
Reliable sources have indicated considering the highly fractured vote Congress and BJP have decided to come together to save the Indian democracy from chaos. This decision was reached after Congress President Sonia Gandhi made a surprising call to BJP's LK Advani yesterday night. BJP on its part has reportedly agreed to keep a distance from hardline elements of RSS and Congress has promised that it will give the Deputy PM post to Advani with Manmohan Singh retaining his post as Prime Minister. A formal announcement will be made to the media in a joint press conference by Manmohan Singh and Advani on May 16th.
Re: BREAKING NEWS: Congress President contacts Advani for a tie u
by Hum Hindustani on May 13, 2009 02:54 PM
You a member of the Youth Congress? No wonder you are bombed out on Drugs like that twat Rahul....
Re: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Congress President contacts Advani for a t
by Maihoon Don on May 13, 2009 03:03 PM
Better than RSS dumbos who preach Bramacharityam but practice infidelity all their lives.
Re: Re: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Congress President contacts Advani for
by Amit Sharma on May 13, 2009 03:09 PM
Better than some illegitimate offsprings who post without proper information on RSS.
Re: Re: Re: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Congress President contacts Advani
by Maihoon Don on May 13, 2009 03:15 PM
RSS is well known to all sensible people on earth. RSS = Rashtriya Swyam Seva (meaning self serving)...hehehe
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Congress President contacts Ad
by uday kshirsagar on May 13, 2009 03:39 PM
you are as to your name don. you are not qualify even to be servant of r.s.s. first go and see personally theirs work. i am from nagpur where headquarter of r.s.s. is. their socil work through vanvasi kalyan ashram in remote tribal areas are great and the way their caders work without thinking of their homes for the downthroden are to be seen to be belived.
Re: BJP gets majority 201 seats & ALLIES GET 75 SEATS
by Praveen KS on May 13, 2009 02:53 PM
can u tell which are the 4 seats that BJP is going to get in kerala...r u out of sync with reality
Re: BJP gets majority 201 seats & ALLIES GET 75 SEATS
by aditya vyas on May 13, 2009 02:49 PM
In your dreams Mr.prasant. NO WAY BJP going to achieve that. I think you being too optimistic CONGRESS will be the largest party.
Re: Re: BJP gets majority 201 seats & ALLIES GET 75 SEATS
by Praveen KS on May 13, 2009 02:58 PM
however i think the BJP will be the single largest party..one thing to worry about the BJP is that why has it to write religion in its forehead and run about shouting it....India is secular and lets be impartial with all religions..what the congress does is the same as what BJP does...the only difference being if BJP goes about Hinduism at large...the congress goes about Islam and christianity....If the congress is so much worried about minority communities..what does it do about the minor of minority communities such as the buddhists, jains etc...
Re: Re: Re: BJP gets majority 201 seats & ALLIES GET 75 SEATS
by Hum Hindustani on May 13, 2009 03:06 PM
Praveen....You are compeltely mistaken over here. The Indic religions are respected by the BJP, they do not object to Christianity or 1slam too. BJP is the only party in India, where the middle class can call the shots. I have personally experienced this.
Re: Re: BJP gets majority 201 seats & ALLIES GET 75 SEATS
by RG on May 13, 2009 03:03 PM
Congi (Itly) struck at 121.. bikaNDtv with jesu pronoy,bad dua,pagl1 barkha with Ulta Pada Anda looking for space to hide... Ppl who were happy with 1talian @ss now nsaying dill mange m0re and l00king at the asts of gudia of ameth1 fame
Re: Re: BJP gets majority 201 seats & ALLIES GET 75 SEATS
by Hum Hindustani on May 13, 2009 02:55 PM
"The one branch of government which has a presence throughout India is the Intelligence Bureau, and the IB is rumoured to have assessed that the Congress party will be lucky if it touches 100 seats."
expressbuzz(.)com/edition/story(.)aspx?Title=Do the job yourself, Sonia&artid=Fcy97JHTJJY=&SectionID=d16Fdk4iJhE=&MainSectionID=HuSUEmcGnyc=&SectionName=aVlZZy44Xq0bJKAA84nwcg ==&SEO=
7/11 2006: Mumbai Train Blasts. 209 Killed. 25/8 2007: Hyderbad Blasts: 42 Killed Oct 11 2007: Ajmer Blasts : 2 Killed May 13 2008: Jaipur Blasts : 68 Killed July 16th 2008: Ahmedabad Blasts : 57 Killed July 25th 2008: Banglaore Blasts: 1 killed Sept 13th 2008: Delhi Blasts: 26 Killed Sept 27th 2008: Delhi Blasts: 2 Killed Sept 29th 2008 : Gujrat Blasts : 1 killed Oct 21st 2008: Imphal Blasts : 17 Killed Oct 30th 2008: Assam Blasts : 40 Killed Nov 26th 2008: Mumbai Attack: 180 killed Mar-Apr- 2 blasts in Guhati - ???? killed Pls note these are official figures not actuals
Did you know that on the day of the Mumbai train blasts, the Government gave Rs 150 crores for earthquake relief in Pakistan ? Last year our Govt. has given Rs 3000 crores (600 Million Dollars) to Afghanistan? This, when victims of terror in India have not yet got aid? What's going on? B) Is this Government really secular ?
1) When Madrasas are being shut down in Pakistan, the Indian Government is giving them CBSE status !! It is depriving Muslim children in getting secular education. A Madrasa educated person can get a job in any government office without going through the secular education system. Can India afford to have fundamentalists in government departments? Why cannot the government shut down Madrassas and let Muslim children study with the rest?
See the Development of India. BJPs 5 Years=Congress 55 Years. So you can compare who did best development in India.I am in China and can see the great development here.I expect the same in india.If congress were sincere with country then they must have did development in 55 years.But they were busy keeping and sending money in Swiss BANK.China development in 20 years and become SUPERPOWER.But Congres rules 55 years and India still in the developing country.This is because of Congress only/
Re: Congress 55 Years=BJP 5 Years
by Dharmesh Patel on May 13, 2009 02:42 PM
do China have quota/minority and caste system? if yes we have to import their system to develop india, if no, than we have to list down a plan that how we can stop people of thinking only about their own caste and choose the right candidate. without this the story will keep going endlessly.
Re: Re: Congress 55 Years=BJP 5 Years
by James Kumar on May 13, 2009 02:45 PM
In 20 Years China have given Jobs to 300 Million People.Ask Congress that in 55 Years how many Jobs they have created??
Re: Re: Re: Congress 55 Years=BJP 5 Years
by James Kumar on May 13, 2009 02:47 PM
Sorry in 8 Years not 20 years China have given Jobs to 300 Million People.Ask Congress that in 55 Years how many Jobs they have created??So how can we see development in our country with Congress??
Re: Congress 55 Years=BJP 5 Years
by Balaraman on May 13, 2009 02:38 PM
For 60 years congress is removing Gharibi N fooling poor people Minting money and storing is Swiss Bank Development and Internal Security is what is needed NOT debate on
Babri Godhra Kandhahar Media is interested only in Priyanka’s N Rahuls costumes & smiles
Re: Congress 55 Years=BJP 5 Years
by RG on May 13, 2009 02:39 PM
Congi (Itly) struck at 121.. bikaNDtv with jesu pronoy,bad dua,pr0s barkha with Ulta Pada Anda looking for space to hide... Ppl happy with 1talian @ss saying dill mange m0re and l00king at the asts of gudia of ameth1 fame
