Re: Arrest
by RG on May 13, 2009 02:40 PM
Congi (Itly) struck at 121.. bikaNDtv with jesu pronoy,bad dua,pagl1 barkha with Ulta Pada Anda looking for space to hide... Ppl happy with 1talian @ss saying dill mange m0re and l00king at the asts of gudia of ameth1 fame
Re: Re: Arrest
by Siddhartha Das on May 13, 2009 02:37 PM
I am a supporter of Congress, not a relative James. I am a supporter of congress becuase of I am afraid of people like Yashwant Sinha coming back and looting me through Income Tax
Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by Hum Hindustani on May 13, 2009 02:39 PM
Ha Ha....You must be a clown then, if you say Yashwant Sinha levied higher taxes, then what did Chidambaram do?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by Siddhartha Das on May 13, 2009 02:46 PM
Hum, let us not discuss on cross purposes. You are a trader and Sinha is your man. Every working class man remembers Sinha's tenor as FM with pain.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by RG on May 13, 2009 02:42 PM
perhaps he does not know who started the taxes like salt taxes...FBT,Sevice tax,...all came from the cunn1g mind of Chidamram
Re: Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by Siddhartha Das on May 13, 2009 02:40 PM
Please check the facts before calling me names. I think you were too young to be a tax payer when Sinha was looting us - ask your dad
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by Hum Hindustani on May 13, 2009 02:43 PM
You indeed are a clown, I am a tax payer since 1988. I know who has looted whom. You explain Chidambaram's SO CALLED LIBERAL TAX POLICY THEN????? OMG, I never realized educated people could get conned so easily by the Congress goons.
Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by James Kumar on May 13, 2009 02:48 PM
That TAX is going for development of India.But what will happened when u take our money to S Land??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by Siddhartha Das on May 13, 2009 02:52 PM
Your reference to S land is not comprehensible to me James. I understand the need for taxes - but Sinha believes in taxing only working class people, exempting his trader vote base.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by Siddhartha Das on May 13, 2009 02:42 PM
I am not happy with the current tax regime. If Sinha comes back, it would be worse. Of course, Sinha and his party are very favourable towards all traders, their vote bank.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by Hum Hindustani on May 13, 2009 02:45 PM
OMG, you have to be bottomless stupid,with BJP announcing an exemption of 3 Lacs per annum, you call it higher taxes????????
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by vimal soni on May 13, 2009 02:49 PM
Mr.Siddhartha...u might not aware about current affair and BJP has declared they will increase Income tax limit to 3lac from current 1.5lac....
Do congress hv guts to do this... Pls check ur statics before barking from 7janpath
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by RG on May 13, 2009 02:44 PM
let's make entire india like Waste Bengl to make Das happy and keep licking itlain @ss and enjoy italian sh1t...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by Siddhartha Das on May 13, 2009 02:54 PM
Palainappan's dream budget of 1997 made the middle class cheer. Then came Sinha the destroyer...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by Siddhartha Das on May 13, 2009 02:50 PM
But to see the progress of the country, I have to live Bhushan. And living depends on money, which Sinha and BJP wish to give the traders by robbing working class people like me.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by vishwanath iyer on May 13, 2009 03:03 PM
these are all u seem to know....sinha and traders. Either accept that u know nothing....or just don't come to the discussion board. It's b'coz our country is filled with nincompoops like you that congress gets voted to power.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Arrest
by James Kumar on May 13, 2009 02:51 PM
When BJP was in Power indias Foreign Exchange come up from 50 billion to 220 Billion USD.But what congress did now the Foreign Exchange is just 250 Billion usd.Now u can see the delvelopment of India??Where the money is going??Pl ask yr relative congress..
See the Development of India. BJPs 5 Years=Congress 55 Years. So you can compare who did best development in India.I am in China and can see the great development here.I expect the same in india.If congress were sincere with country then they must have did development in 55 years.But they were busy keeping and sending money in Swiss BANK.China development in 20 years and become SUPERPOWER.But Congres rules 55 years and India still in the developing country.This is because of Congress only/
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why some people delete my post?
by RG on May 13, 2009 02:50 PM
HA HA HA bias against Cong(Itly) NOWAY
Congi (Itly) struck at 121.. bikaNDtv with jesu pronoy,bad dua,pagl1 barkha with Ulta Pada Anda looking for space to hide... Ppl happy with 1talian @ss saying dill mange m0re and l00king at the asts of gudia of ameth1 fame
Musician, whatever you are saying is just a music to our ears. The point is all problems start with the way fellow beings are treated. You cannot ask dalits to remain as dalits just because dalits are branch of hinduism. Your imagery is good but it lacks substance. Hinduism preaches inequality and that is not good. If I do not want to remain in dalit caste what is your problem ?
Re: @Musician
by musician on May 13, 2009 02:33 PM
A prime minister is prime minister. A minister cannot claim he and prime minister are equal , though both are ministers. The system is like that in nature.
Re: Re: @Musician
by Mike on May 13, 2009 02:38 PM
I cant argue with you, but experience has taught us what steps we should take to change the social stigma atached with dalits. Since You are not dalit you cant understand their real plight. All explanation you give is meaningless unless it does good to everyone no matter who is he.
Re: Re: Re: @Musician
by musician on May 13, 2009 02:42 PM
Janmatah shoodrah : Everybody is a shoodra by birth - says Adi Sankara - Only the qualities which one imbibe and inculcate according to his action result in his qualifying for a certain position but not his birth status. Religion is not an easy thing to understand - only enlightened people can know the deep truths in it. The geeta says only one among so many thousand people can know the truth - meaning only 1% can know the truth and they know what truth is (many people fall under remaining 99% who always argue and do not want to know the truth)
Re: Re: Re: Re: @Musician
by Mike on May 13, 2009 02:50 PM
Who is adi shankara and wht is his qualifications ? Can the son of a brahmin can be a dalit at social level? Or can the son of dalit be a brahmin in society as we peceive today ? Can you tell me what is that truth you are referring to ? To me, a religion or system must address the core issues like pain and sufferings living beings and also it must teach us how to accept pain and move a head with more strength and dedication. I didnt had any exposure to such concepts when I was a dalit, but after knowing Christianity, I feel I have done a good hing in my life. Now I am confident and can talk to anyone. I believe in values and virtues preached in bible. Things are not the same for me as compared to my past. I knw the difference now.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @Musician
by musician on May 13, 2009 02:57 PM
Very good. You fall under the ignorant category my dear brother. Know that Whatever has already been told in hinduism has been repeated in Bible and quran - in a diluted tone. There is no new disclosure and in future also cannot be. I told you only enlightened people can know the truth. Ramakrishna paramahamsa practised all religions and he saw the same truth. He had the darshan of krishna, jesus and mohammad. When you praise one thing and critise another thing - how can it be - only false reasoning because in both cases truth is the same. Your points seem to be born out of ignorance. Try to know the truth.
Shocking Information. EC has found that due to defective storage devices, most of the data from electonic voting machines has got corrupted, so, elections will be held again!
Re: Shocking Information!
by Baba Kamdev on May 13, 2009 02:28 PM
You are useless creature on this earth....your parents are grateful for your being...
Cong and allies = 212 BJP and allies = 162 Others = 169.
Why BJP and ALLIES seats will be 162. In BJP ( alone) stronghold states like Rajastan(21/25) MP (25/29) Karnataka (18/28) chattisgad (10/11)Gujarat ( 14126) Delhi ( 1/7). BJP won 89 out of 126 seats in last election. This time it will gain 4 seats in Gujarat and 1 seat in Delhi, but will loose 9 seats in Rajastan . in other states no improvement is possible, in fact it may loose some in Karnataka. Net loss of 4 seats.
In states where BJP is contesting with allies, Maha (25/48) Bihar (11/40) Punjab (11/13)Assam(4/14) Jharkhand (1/14) UP ( 13/80). BJP won 65 out of 209 seats in last election. This time it will gain in Bihar ( 17) Jharkhand(4). But will loose Maha( 7) Punjab (5) UP (3). Net gain of 6 seats.
So in this two sections BJP had won 154 out of 335 seats in 2004 which was a watershed election for it . Its India was Shining than, but in this issue less election, where they are facing ant incumbency in most of these states they hope to gain 156 out of 335.
In rest of 208 seats BJP won 31 seats but in Orisa(18/21) it will loose 11 seats to BJD. So sum total of this section will be 20 seats. Out of 208.
Hence 176 out of 543 is the maximum that BJP and all its allies can hope for, but my prediction is 162 seats.
Re: ELECTION 2009
by RG on May 13, 2009 02:37 PM
Congi(Itly) struck at 121 bikaNDtv with jesu pronoy,bad dua,pr0s barkha with Ulta Pada Anda looking for space to hide... Ppl happy with 1talian @ss saying dill mange m0re and l00king at the asts of gudia of ameth1 fame
Re: ELECTION 2009
by Hum Hindustani on May 13, 2009 02:30 PM
"The one branch of government which has a presence throughout India is the Intelligence Bureau, and the IB is rumoured to have assessed that the Congress party will be lucky if it touches 100 seats."
expressbuzz(.)com/edition/story(.)aspx?Title=Do the job yourself, Sonia&artid=Fcy97JHTJJY=&SectionID=d16Fdk4iJhE=&MainSectionID=HuSUEmcGnyc=&SectionName=aVlZZy44Xq0bJKAA84nwcg ==&SEO=
Re: Oy JagoPappu Jago....See What Congress did with India in 60 y
by Jacob Thomas on May 13, 2009 02:24 PM
See riots always happen on small trivial issues ALWAYS instigate by Pandits & Mollahs .. so we have to stop communal forces.. One part of which is BJP
Re: Re: Oy JagoPappu Jago....See What Congress did with India in
by Asim Mehtani on May 13, 2009 02:27 PM
The BJP or NDA were not in rule during those periods cited above.
Re: Re: Re: Oy JagoPappu Jago....See What Congress did with India
by James Kumar on May 13, 2009 02:28 PM
So you can see how Congress ruled India( Foot Dalo and Raj Karo)
Re: Re: Oy JagoPappu Jago....See What Congress did with India in
by yogendra shukla on May 13, 2009 02:30 PM
RIOTS ALWAYS HAPPENS WHEN THE FAITH BLIND TRY TO BE CHAMPION OF SECULARISAM. WHETHER THEY ARE MUZLM OR CRISSAN. HINNDUUS DOEST NEED TO LEARN SECULARISM FRM ANY COMMUNAL FORCES. JAI HIND.
Re: Re: Oy JagoPappu Jago....See What Congress did with India in
by Bharat Bhushan on May 13, 2009 02:29 PM
BJP is non-communal where ever the BJP rule is there the state has progressed. BJP does not give false promises... they have worked for all people regardless of the religion. But in case of the one community killing other community (burning Hindus in train) should be protested teach the lesson... which never happened. Otherwise progress is the factor that is enjoyed by all people... Pl visit Gujarat once.
Re: Re: Oy JagoPappu Jago....See What Congress did with India in
by James Kumar on May 13, 2009 02:27 PM
BJP is not Communal Force.This is Congress who want to keep their position on TOP so they are giving BJP name Communial Force.You can compare development in india in last 55 years ruled by congress and see the development from BJP in 5 Years.
Dalit is not religion, so no question of conversions:
Thanks so much for the comments I received here. Some have really abused me for whatever reasons people think I am saying is wrong and some have agreed to my views. I take it constructively. Many people here have repeatedly said that conversion is not the solution for the problems of dalits. Some said why I renounced dalit or hindu religion and joined Christianity. First of all Dalit do not have any religion and therefore no question of conversion arises. They too have right to have a religion and one shouldn't get offended by it. People say, educating dalits is the only solution and I agree to this point. My education has led me to choose the faith I want to practice and I joined Christianity as my way of life. Religion is purely personal matter and personal choice. People seems to be giving just suggestions, unfortunately solving the plight of dalits takes long time. They can be given edcucation, money but their social taboo wont go away easily. It needs decades and decades to forget the bitter past. I wish these people produce working models and mechanisms and solutions to uplift the status of dalits in due course of time.
Re: Dalit - Is it a religion or way of life ?
by musician on May 13, 2009 02:21 PM
What is conversion and what is being converted. Does the so called converted invidivual develops extra hands or legs. He is the same individual. Each individual has to remember always the truth - A tree is a tree - the trunk is the base, the branches and leaves are its children and grand children. If the branches and leaves say that we are great, then no body can comment on such ignorant statement. The trunk is the mother and it always has its value. The earth from which the trunk emerges is the final base. So as enlightened people have said : the terms referred above are inferred as follows : the earth is god, hinduism is the trunk, the branches and leaves are subsequent religions : final conclusion all emerge from one thing : if branches and leaves start dictating then one can know the result : whether it is true or not.
Re: Re: Dalit - Is it a religion or way of life ?
by Mike on May 13, 2009 02:27 PM
Musician, whatever you are saying is just a music to our ears. The point is all problems start with the way fellow beings are treated. You cannot ask dalits to remain as dalits just because dalits are branch of hinduism. Your imagery is good but it lacks substance. Hinduism preaches inequality and that is not good. If I do not want to remain in dalit caste what is your problem ?
Re: Re: Dalit - Is it a religion or way of life ?
by lover on May 13, 2009 02:29 PM
Hinduism is the mother of all religions - Christianity is only 2000 years old. Islam is only 1500 years old. Hinduism is lakhs of years old though scientific evidence places it somewhere around 7000 to 8000 years back. Whatver has already been told in hinduism has been subsequently repeated in a diluted voice to suit the environments and people of such times. Jesus, Mohammed or any other prophet or messenger had worshipped and mentioned about almighty only. All true religious and spiritual leaders are messengers of god and when there is a need to establish dharma samsthapana itself, god incarnates as Rama , Krishna (the incarnations )and in other times, when necessity arises, it is only the messengers who appear.
Re: Dalit - Is it a religion or way of life ?
by Santosh on May 13, 2009 02:13 PM
I also believe that Hindus have made a mess out of castes. We shud reform
Re: since others dont match congress,none except vajpayee got suc
by Hum Hindustani on May 13, 2009 02:12 PM
"The one branch of government which has a presence throughout India is the Intelligence Bureau, and the IB is rumoured to have assessed that the Congress party will be lucky if it touches 100 seats."
expressbuzz(.)com/edition/story(.)aspx?Title=Do the job yourself, Sonia&artid=Fcy97JHTJJY=&SectionID=d16Fdk4iJhE=&MainSectionID=HuSUEmcGnyc=&SectionName=aVlZZy44Xq0bJKAA84nwcg ==&SEO=
Re: since others dont match congress,none except vajpayee got suc
by Shundharam on May 13, 2009 02:48 PM
The people who has given to congress to rule india for 50 years is fools and terrorists. Congress were busy in looting India and to deposit money in swiss. These rascles now are hiding sonia's sarri. For money, congress willo not hesitate to sack the poor/middle class people.
I know the struggle of living in a dalit community. I was a dalit before embracing Christianity. I knw the pain of dalits. Exploitation and deprivation from basic rights has made life miserable. No education, no money, no job and no place to live. Everywhere dalits are banned. They cannot move freely in society. They are mocked and people spit on them. No one wants friendship wit them. They are branded untouchables. Education and jobs are denied. Dalits are not allowed to have friendship with other students and people. Dalits cannot enter temples. They cant dine with higher class and cant eat in plates in hotels.
Think yourself being a dalit and imagine how the society is treating you. You wont understand the pain unless you are a dalit. Think of dalits and help them to come up. Dont abuse them. It is easy to criticize dalits in power but since they are denied education and jobs for many centuries they must be given special concessions in order that they too come on par with majority. Competition of unequals is meaningless. Now my life is better. I hope other dalits also see the light and change their social stigma for their better future tmrw.
Re: Re: Being a dalit is really difficult
by Mike on May 13, 2009 02:17 PM
You are right Santhosh. I feel there is something seriously wrong with the way people are treated in the past. Thats why all these problems have creeped up with more awareness and education.
Re: Being a dalit is really difficult
by Mike on May 13, 2009 02:10 PM
Someone in this forum asked me what difference it has made after joining Christianity. To be frank it has made lot of difference in terms of lifting my social problems that comes with being a dalit. People around me treat well and also show lot of love and respect. They are always ready to help and also counsel in difficulties. Christianity is not all about money and fooling as many people here complain. I was not converted by anyone. I approached people and gathered information and finally made a conscious decision of joining Christianity. I am more happy than before. I made this decision thinking of my futiure generations and also to come into mainstay in society. Christianity has given me strength to live a dignified and wonderful life. What more do I need ?
Re: Re: Being a dalit is really difficult
by Jacob Thomas on May 13, 2009 02:18 PM
Even Buddha has taught simple & non-caste reloigion, China, Japan srilanka etc have many Buddhists but in India where it started, it was crushed by wicked Pandits
Re: Re: Re: Being a dalit is really difficult
by Mike on May 13, 2009 02:20 PM
Bhudism is good in rationale. I somehow do not have interest in budhist way of life.
Re: Re: Being a dalit is really difficult
by Jitesh Agrawal on May 13, 2009 02:27 PM
My freind chistianity has got nothing to do with your so called "upliftment of social problems".
You are a dalit till you feel it and want to enjoy the benefits attached with it for yourself and for all your children for all time to call.
If backward class people are facing social stigma today its only due to policies of successive govts. which in name of social upliftment have alienated more by making people of upper category feel that dalits are taking away all there due share.
The good way of social upliftment would had been, had it been on criteria of economic status and meritocracy. That would had been an inclusive policy applicable to all and obviously dalits would had benefitted the most. Reservation and policies based on caste, creed and religion are divisive policies
Re: Re: Being a dalit is really difficult
by pradeep m on May 13, 2009 02:28 PM
mr mike,,,, not only dalits but everyone has the same problem which u have,,,,,everyone knows its money that makes difference in life now a days,,so u think we all shld convert to xtianty,, even i belong to a low caste society i don't feel my future is doomed if i live as a hindu,,, everyone knows wat xtianity is about,,,, the whole of the contry people have same proble as u have it doesn't mean we surrender our country to british,,,,, indians live far better life than wat we are living now even before the birth of xtianty,,,,, if u tomoro think ut future is uncertain in xtianity will u do the same think and get converted into other religion,,, where u wil get more money,status,job,,,,,, if u do so,,,there is no difference in ur RELIGIOUS BELIF AND P*R-OSTUTION..
they are the one who looted our country and made us slum dogs,,,,, now people like u are helping them to loot the culture by giving these very intelligent reasons,,,,,, if u think u wer illitreated becoz u wer a low caste hindu,,,then why did u join xtianity u would have become a atheist,,,, but y xianity,,,,,,,??????
Re: Being a dalit is really difficult
by gangadhar buddha on May 13, 2009 02:34 PM
60 years is not sufficient & u need still more iam a dalit my age is 36 & i spent half of my life in a brahmin family they never treated me as you said our dalit community wont rise unless we remove the stamp of dalit on our fore head i never took the advantage of reservation
