Where is the tradition of Greats like Vivekananda, Ramkrishna, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Gurudev Tagore?
They used to guide not only to Bengal but to whole India & world. Do we familiarize Post Independence Bengal by the names of Communists, Mamta Banarjee?
I really wonder, why Bengalis are so deteriorating with their wisdom.
Re: Bengalis are deteriorating
by Krishna on May 13, 2009 02:42 PM
If some one chooses to close his/her eyes and says I can see anything then its not the fault of others. Post independance bengal has given some great sons to this country, to name a few, Satyajit ray, Amartya Sen, Mahasweta Devi, and numerous artists and painters and actors and scientists who were recognised internationally. Politics and wealth are not the only way a society is recognised. bengals contribution is various fields recognised by the world sans India.
Re: Re: Bengalis are deteriorating
by Baba Kamdev on May 13, 2009 02:46 PM
Krishna, You are right to some extent & I agree with you when you say 'Politics and wealth are not the only way a society is recognised.'
When Bengals contribution is various fields recognised by the world & people from all over the world are benefited with it, why can not Bengalis?
What is stopping them from following Satyajit ray, Amartya Sen, Mahasweta Devi?
Re: Re: Re: Bengalis are deteriorating
by Krishna on May 13, 2009 03:33 PM
For that you need to know the history of Bengal. When the country was partitioned, population of the state doubled overnight, due to the massive influx of refugees into the state. Even today the population density of bengal is one of the highest. Then when the communists came to power, due to their wrong policies the entire industries was destroyed. Bengal is basically an agrarian society with very low per capita land. Remember before this 30 years rule of the communists there was 30 years rule of the congress. Another thing, certain staitstics one need to know, bengals percapita income is higher than national average, bengal has one of the best sex ratio, infant mortality is lower than national average, percentage literacy is more than the national average. No farmer commit suicide due to loan burden, no death due to starvation occurs. Industry was one thing bengal was lagging due to their wrong policies, but now it is changing. Kolkata has Metro Rail since 1984.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Bengalis are deteriorating
by abboral boral on May 14, 2009 10:59 AM
Very good analysis Krishna and why forget to mention that nearly 50 lkhs Bengalies died during 1943 bengal famine (man made)and 20 to 30 lakhs died due to riot in 1947 partisan and nearly 2 crore bengalies were displaced due to that deadly sin (I described worst human casualty than even Hitler ,s genocide in the human history ).So Bengalies virtually started new life with zero balnce from 1947 to QWest Bengal .80% of Bengalies who started their life with zero balance in 1947 survibed upto 1980 and their children just started their life in 1965 and 1966 but cruel Naxalism of left parties killed their hope almost totally and they are just living their life with out any shelter .Then came next generations of 1966 Bengalies from 1986 .Most of them nearly 70 % migrated to other states for career and balance remain in West Bengal with out any development due to Left front Gov .The chidren of 30 % who remain in west bengal in 1985 want development in West Bengal by left front but then again came the dirty Mamta of TC who bent upon not to start any Industries .So the fate of the children of 2002 remains hang on Left front Gov who will surely do some good job this time with the help of migrated Bengalies worldwide
There is no doubt that a majority of the people seek a change. And at this moment there is no other alternative than Mamta. But there's an underlying danger in supporting Mamta. She herself may be hard working and has proved herself in the past as effective and result-oriented as a Railway minister. But the same may not be said about her colleagues and supporters. But given the condition WB is in today, it would probably make sense to reject the LF for the time being. People like Biman Bose, Subhash Chakrabarty, Binay Konar, Gautam Deb, Anisur Rahman, Biswanath Chowdhury, Jogesh Barman, Manabendra Mukherjee, Mrinal Banerjee all have been proved to be incompetent and useless.
Therefore it may actually prove to be beneficial for WB to support Mamta in next assembly election.
TMC (Trailer-trash Moggot Congress)represent the worst form of politics in the history of India. They are the pure anarchists, whose only motto is anti-establishment. They do not have any policy no agenda nothing. Actually they are not qualified to write any agenda. All their leaders are gundas and black marketeer, and mafias, one of their candidate is a former Cinema hall ticket black mafia. That is the quality of TMC. Mamata has a fake PhD degree. She has a notorious past (long back she was arrested for dancing semi_noode on Jagjivan Ram's vehicle). If TMC wins that will not be a sad day for Bengal but for the entire country as well.
Ma'am you are absolutely right as that is the choice the voters of West Bengal have. A choice between the devil and the deep blue sea! The Left Front today is extremely and oppressively unacceptable from all angles. But the perpetual emotionally charged Mamata is going to be even worse if she takes charge of West Bengal. Thank God that this is the Parliamentary elections and not Assembly, so people do not have to put up with Mamata's equally hooligan ridden lumpen army of supporters just yet. She will merely try to play power broker at the Centre. The Left will get more seats all India than her West Bengal restricted arena seats and if the Congress sees a chance to cobble together an opportunistic alliance to form a Govt. then they will again take the help of the more "valuable" CPI(M) without fail. If that happens then Mamata as per earlier pronouncements will not join. If she does then she is politically finished for having shared the same govt. with the Left her sworn enemy.If her numbers help NDA she will go back to her earlier allies whom she ditched recently to hoodwink the Mo$lem voters who still do not care to vote like the rest of us even after being taken for a ride by every political party for the last 60 years.
I don't want a change. Like me, none of my family wants change. So, you better rectify tour statement as "everyone wants change". Who the hell are you to say what we want? You like Mamata Banerjee? As far as her previous cultural activities are concerned, one has to be really uncultured to follow her, and to listen her comments. She never represents Bengal, other than doing selfish politics. As an educated bengali, she doesn't represent my concerns of industrial developement. She has one issue. And that is taking the emotional advantages from the people who are going to loose their land by means of Govt acquisition (may be for industry or road extension). She is against developement. If (which is far far away anyway) she comes to the power in the state, where she is going to make Industry? In the air? Or may be set up in Bihar or in Orisa, as that wouldn't bother any people from the WB state? If we need a change, sorry mate, she is never the option.
Re: Dear Indrani Roy Mitra
by Netflix on May 13, 2009 02:02 PM
So r u saying savage communist represent Bengal? Why do u want to degrade your own state? This is 21st century, why are you stuck with that 17th century non-sense known as communism? Who cares whether it is Mamata or Samata? All Indians care about is total destruction of CPM. They are like cancer on Indian soil.
Re: Re: Dear Indrani Roy Mitra
by SANTANU RAY on May 13, 2009 02:17 PM
What do you know about communism? What do you know about the present soci-economic condition of our state? What do you know about how under democracy communist views are implemented in our state? May be CPIM is said to be communist, but no where in the world communist ideology had been so well mingled under democracy? No where in the world there is a democratic state Govt chossen by the people who represent communist ideology. So, why change? And you want us/benmgalies to support either cast based/religion based politics or liberal American slave based politics? Sorry, we don't want. We don't devide people by cast or religion. We don't lick the feet of American President. Still we survive. Still we have very good education with no donation or least fees. What I am today, it is because of our Govt strong poor people's education policy, good health policy and most importantly our culture of being non communal. It is all because of what I have seen in my 29 years of life. And if this is what a communist Govt gives, I would support them till the end of my life.
Re: Re: Re: Dear Indrani Roy Mitra
by Rationalist on May 13, 2009 03:43 PM
Communism is a 100 year old ideology. It is no longer releavent today in age of outsourcing. Those who expect system to feed them without doing any work will end up self destructing. It is also against nature's rule of survival of the fittest. It is also an ideology which ensures poor remain poor if not poorer for its survival. It is resort to loosers and complacents. It is an extremism and facism. We would be better with a more balanced policy of Capitalism & Socialism.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dear Indrani Roy Mitra
by SANTANU RAY on May 13, 2009 04:05 PM
Yes you are right. And if you read carefully my previous comment, I meant that. The state Govt is just doing the right thing balancing the Socialistic and capitalistic approach and implementation. And that is what we need as all of us know that socialism is an utopia at this moment. So a better balanced ideology with the good parts of both of these ideologies should be the best for people. And that is what WB State Govt is trying to do. May be there are problems, and bad selfish people around, but still they are showing the right way. This is what I understood from my observation.
Re: Dear Indrani Roy Mitra
by Avik Sengupta on May 13, 2009 02:05 PM
Santanu..I'm with You. I don't want change. Other people I do know from my friends and familiy, do not want change. In fact, people are so detested by Mamata Banerjee, that they go and cast thier vote just to make sure that her party candidate doesn't win. I repeat, majority doesn't want change.
Re: Re: Dear Indrani Roy Mitra
by Avik Sengupta on May 13, 2009 02:09 PM
Netflix..Lets say that we bengalis don't want change and happy with left front. Lets not deal with communism as an ideology, which is a broader subject to discuss, and just to get your facts right, doesn't originate from 17th century.
Re: Re: Re: Dear Indrani Roy Mitra
by Netflix on May 13, 2009 02:20 PM
Avik don't you understand metaphor? Who cares if you guys want to live in stone age and keep on voting a cancerous ideology which had not worked in a single country. Only contribution of it to civilization is more than million death by Stalin and Mao each. Right now world is witnessing trial of another communist monster Khamer Runge in cambodia. If you want to live it in that way you have option to do so in assembly poll. Why we Indian should suffer because of your idiocy?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dear Indrani Roy Mitra
by mailme alladin on May 13, 2009 02:43 PM
Idiot, Congress (parent of TMC) have been worst murderer in bengal and that's why Communists are ruling the state for 32 years. Even todat TC is doing murder with their limited presence and being in oppositions.
Re: Re: Dear Indrani Roy Mitra
by Avik Sengupta on May 13, 2009 03:37 PM
We don't want change, and don't want oxymornic comments from fundamentalists like netflix.
