Indian communists are trying to protect China's interest by opposing the Indo-US nuclear deal. Communists are traitors of the highest order. Why are they silent when China claims "Arunachal is an integral part of China" or when China sets up nuclear power plants in Pakistan. If India is trying to get nuclear energy from US they oppose because it hurts China's interest. They are shameless antinationals and should be kicked out not only from Bengal but also from the whole country. And remember the left parties still claim that India attacked China in the sixties during the Indo-China war. Great, Long live Communism, Long live China…. They called Netaji : Tojo's dog (Tojo was Jap PM during WWII). Communists have opposed computerization (Cal. Univ. was shut down for 3 days by SFI in early seventies), ruined the careers of at least 75 lakh students (English was out for 15 years from WBengal Board syllabus, multiplied by avg. no. of students appearing at the board exam every year), also they burned 11 trams in order protest a fare rise of I paisa in the sixties. Their iconic leader Jyoti Basu said in a speech (before becoming the CM) that if we come to power we will take out the AC machines from Writer’s building, and we all know till this date what kind of lavish lifestyle this hypocrite is living… Have anyone ever talked to any Chinese guy? If someone can, then ask him/her about Tienanmen Square, most of them don’t even know what happened exactly, this is t
Re: Some Home Truths
by Anirban Roy on May 12, 2009 07:49 PM
To Comrade Haramohanda,
Mr. Bhowmik, rigging can be an age-old story but it's the reality even today. How can you turn your face away from reality. Also, the anti-Indian stand of commies is a reality. LF started working towards industrialisation in WB only after 2006. It has failed miserably in areas like governance, power, health, education, work culture, infrstructure, tourism, food, sports, youth development, rural affairs, PWD and the list is endless. The only contributions is Land reform, Durgapur expressway & a few flyovers in Kolkata. Even Rajarhat project has been screwd up by your urban development minister by indiscriminate allotment of land to partymen without considering for drainage. What could've been a model town, will become another Behala. Calcutta is down with polution & population...the villagers are impoverished. May be ur facts are correct but somehow the feel good factor is miising in WB. Look at dire state of the tourism industry in WB...do I need to say more??
Re: Re: Some Home Truths
by Haramohan Ray on May 12, 2009 08:40 PM
Mr Anirban, First, I am no Comrade of yours. Second, it is surprising that in the face of hard statistics, you insist on the feel-good factor, though I never knew what it is! Third, what is development? If the rest of India is so developed then why the average per capita consumption of India is less than that of West Bengal? Fourth, do we not see the corruption index of India in the international field? According to your own statement, West bengal is backward in business and industry - so, then you must admit that much of the blame for corruption has to be borne by the other states, right? Fifth, please look at the figures of atrocities against women, female foeticide, death following caste-violence, communal riots etc in other states and compare them to those of West Bengal. I am sure you will find another dimension of 'development'.
does these commie netas live a life of true communist idealogy where sharing comes before hoarding. do they live in humble abodes as their loyal voters and eat the same food and not move around in chaufer driven executive cars? they have all the priveliges a capitalist neta has so why still call themselves communists etc????
i dont know the answers but these are things that i want some light on. so help enlighten me.
why do bengalis always have to do the opposite - seems like a ploy to attract attention. they were the first to let british gain a foothold in india, then they went anti british, when british left they turned communists instead of being what rest of the country was - democratic. WHY?
they have had tremendous high thinkers amongsts them but lack thinkers who think like a common indian. so ban the CPM CPI etc they are just a bunch of arrogant- stubborn white clothed rascals. just like any other neta.
Re: communism in democracy
by Haramohan Ray on May 12, 2009 05:47 PM
Mr Singh, I appreciate your urge for knowing. 1 - People of undivided Bengal, and then West Bengal, have always been supporters of the left ideologies. The communists of Bengal actively fought for the rights of the peasants furing the Tebhaga Movement after the World War II, when India was still under the British rule. From then on, the consistent pro-peasant policies of the left enabled them to gain a ground in the state. In 1967 and 1969, the left shared power with other anti-Congress forces, and from 1977, the left has been elected on their own. 2 - Who told you that Bengal allowed the British to get a foot-hold? There have been a number of revolts (like Sannyasi, Fakir or Titumir's Revolts) against the British since the first days of British occupation 3 - West Bengal is not a communist state, it is a state within the framework of the Indian constitution, which is not communist. In this state, democratic election is held at every stage - from Lok Sabha, Vidhan Sabha to Panchayat, Municipalities, Local bodies etc. 4 - If you know, you'll be ale to understand that there are still many left leaders here, who live a smple life. The CM of West Bengal lives in an ordinary small flat, and not in big bungalows like most other CMs in India (however, he still has many limitations).
Re: Re: communism in democracy
by Suyog on May 12, 2009 06:31 PM
Mr.Roy, Nice reply. Any idea when u guys wud give up these stupid communists..? wake up man.. there's nothin gr8 about being democratic.. even pak is democracy..!! but having communism is a matter of shame.. grow up..
Re: Re: Re: communism in democracy
by Haramohan Ray on May 12, 2009 06:33 PM
But, when will you grow up? When elections are held democratically under the Election Commission in West Bengal how does one say that there is no democracy in West Bengal?
Each Bengali worth his or her fish should vote to punish the forces that drove Nano out of their state. What justifies continuation of an ‘anti-land acquisition’ agitation for months after the CM declared dropping of all plans to acquire land ? What justified the denial of entry to native people to their land simply because they belonged to a particular party? If every locality agitates in protest against land acquisition, where can one start an industry in WB which is densely populated ? This land of Nethaji and Tagore know all too well: it was a political agenda conceived , financed and controlled by the CIA. Down with the traitors of Bengal.
Re: Punish Goondaism
by Rough Tough on May 12, 2009 02:48 PM
Gr8 observation indeed.. truly a communist ploy to blame others for own faults. CIA part is a real fun mate..... can't stop laughing... well u hv rightly raised few very valid questions whose answers itself tel how communists r seen as a danger to rural bengal. Yes frnd if u assume tht it is only abt sm land or project thn u r wrong. It is abt breaking free frm clutches of a political party who virtually control evry facet of rural Bengal. The projects nd issues of land in Singur Nandigram nd till recently Lalgarh r blatnt examples of how a little spark ignites a fire in evry corner of Bengal... nd as far ur fancied industry is cncrnd leme tell u evrybody in bengal wants tht to happen... bt not at the cost of poor farmers... u can't simply take land for industry on gunpoint nd label it as development.
Re: Re: Punish Goondaism
by Haramohan Ray on May 12, 2009 05:24 PM
At gun point? The compensation package offered for land in Singur has been the highest in India so far. Do you call it at gun point? How do you forget that more than 75% farmers agreed to give land? Trinamool did politics with only the rest 25%.
Re: Punish Goondaism
by Rough Tough on May 12, 2009 02:48 PM
Gr8 observation indeed.. truly a communist ploy to blame others for own faults. CIA part is a real fun mate..... can't stop laughing... well u hv rightly raised few very valid questions whose answers itself tel how communists r seen as a danger to rural bengal. Yes frnd if u assume tht it is only abt sm land or project thn u r wrong. It is abt breaking free frm clutches of a political party who virtually control evry facet of rural Bengal. The projects nd issues of land in Singur Nandigram nd till recently Lalgarh r blatnt examples of how a little spark ignites a fire in evry corner of Bengal... nd as far ur fancied industry is cncrnd leme tell u evrybody in bengal wants tht to happen... bt not at the cost of poor farmers... u can't simply take land for industry on gunpoint nd label it as development.
Re: Re: Punish Goondaism
by Subhabrata Roy on May 12, 2009 03:50 PM
Few points
1. Singur: till August 2008 10321 of 12211 farmers had taken compensation cheques and as on March 2009, 10794 has taken checks..
2. Yes the agitation was needed.. not for stopping the industrialization process but for getting more compensation to the farmers and educate them properly for alternate income generation. The last package that was offered with 16L per acre and 1 job per affected family was not a bad one..
3. Now where the industrialists would do industry.. where they will get max benifits.. Singur provided the locational advantage..
4. Coming to CPIM yes.. being 32 years in power have developed lots of corrupt leaders who have no link with either the ethics or selfless attitude like leaders like Promod dasgupta or Binoy Chowdhury.. They will switch side where they will get more benefits..
Point is that we dont want left.. But if not left then who? The others in fray like TMC is even worse.. This is the trajedy of Bengal..
Re: Re: Re: Punish Goondaism
by Rough Tough on May 12, 2009 04:41 PM
Few more points: 1. Sec 144 in Singur illegal: HC (Source: TOI, dt 15/02/2007) 2.The state government has admitted before Calcutta High Court that it has not been able to reach an agreement with farmers over the acquisition of around 300 acres of land in Singur. (Source: TOI, 8 Jun 2007) 3. It is tru tht industry vil calculate their benefits so onus falls on govt to protect the right of people nd not act as representative of industry only. 4. On pt I completely agree wid u if not cpim thn who? the ans to dis may bring hope for a prosperous bengal..at present undoubtedly we r sitting on the fence wtng to digest more such damages to our own reputation.
Re: Re: Re: Punish Goondaism
by Suyog on May 12, 2009 06:34 PM
Bengal must be leased out to china.. china also a fake communist country but a rich one.. bengal too a fake communist state but a poor one....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Punish Goondaism
by Haramohan Ray on May 12, 2009 06:46 PM
Mr Suyog, West Bengal is not a communist state, it is a state under the Indian constitution, which is not communist. Seconf, the per capita income in West Bengal is in the same bracket like Maharashtra, Karnataka, UP and Chhatisgarh (please check facts).
Re: Re: Punish Goondaism
by deshbhakth on May 12, 2009 03:09 PM
do you mean then development in terms of industrialisation is not possible in WB anymore.
Re: Re: Re: Punish Goondaism
by Rough Tough on May 12, 2009 03:23 PM
y not? who prescribed tht we hv to kill farmers to set up industry....it is tru tht u can't build industry on sky... we need land nd tht to may be farmland...bt wht was the manner to acquire land in Singur/nandigram?... farmers cud hv been paid better compensation, they sud hv been taken into confidenc b4 making commitments to Tata about Singur.... aftr sleeping for decades u wake up one morning nd decide ok today i vil set up industry.... cmon dear dis can't be the route to development....
Re: Punish Goondaism
by Indian on May 12, 2009 03:05 PM
Mr. Rajan Thomas, that was a wonderful piece of joke written in too many words. First of all do you know anything about the agitation or simply posting here after reading newspaper cuttings? Do you have any idea about the population density of WB? Do you know what are the practical difficulties in starting an industry in WB even after you have the fund, license, land, permissions & NOC from all authorities? And finally how many times will you morons continue singing the CIA tune. Hasn't it become too old already? We're becoming sick of you commies be'coz of all these age-old blah blah. Please leave the ppl of WB on their own. They know correctly what they want. Just allow the elections to be held under army protection at every booth and see the results.
Re: Re: Punish Goondaism
by deshbhakth on May 12, 2009 03:13 PM
Indian: I love the last sentence of your piece. There is absolute goondaism in Bengal and that too at the time of the elections it is at its highest. Booth capturing, coersion, threats, kidnapping are all very common by the Commie goondas and cadres. This is the only government which inspite of no work done, still manages to win every election except the recent Singur/Nandigram local elections. The recent violence there explains why they did it, just to coerce the voters to go & vote for CPM. CPM is also ruling in Kerala and Tripura, then how come those states have been able to vote them out for non-performance in the past and WB is not able to?
Re: Re: Re: Punish Goondaism
by Indian on May 12, 2009 03:38 PM
I've once served an election duty in a booth in Howrah district under Uluberiah constituency. I've seen it all with my own eyes and therefore know what is meant by booth capturing.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Punish Goondaism
by Haramohan Ray on May 12, 2009 05:26 PM
Pity that the central election observers note mush more irregularities in some other states than in West Bengal!
Brilliant. Compliments to Jyoti malhotra on her objective and informative reporting. Power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely. This in nutshell is the story of WB.The left led by Jyoti Basu started very well three decades ago and has indeed done remarkable job on land reforms , simply unprecedented and not done by any other state in our country. The author has very rightly quoted the VC , CU that “ ….agriculture was not enough and that Industrialisation had to be the next step…” which did not happen. In fact the Ideology virtually blinded even the honest and competent administrator , Jyotibabu from achieving such a success on the Industrial front. The state was virtually put under ‘CADRE’ raj whose job included stuffing ballot boxes once every five years. It is well known that cadre people like Laxman Seth(of Nandigram fame) are Terror for Managers in the Industry . No wonder under such environment industries started closing one by one over last two decades. While most of the studious and talented type urban youth would migrate out of the state or country the majority of youth turned lazy with very little aspiration or ambition. So, where is the hope, unless the Poribortaner hawa turns into a Gale ……
Congress is in more dire situation in so many states including TN and AP than CPM is in WB. Have you thought why media like Rediff are not carrying mud-slinging articles like this one about Congress then?
Re: Think why
by Saikumar Sundaresan on May 12, 2009 03:06 PM
it is not only carrying such articles on Congress, they have even gone to the extent of blocking messages on articles related to Congress b'cos the Rediff readers spew vitriolic comments, which is justified but against the editorial writ of REDIFF
