29:14 And verily we sent Noah (as Our messenger) unto his folk, and he continued with them for a thousand years save fifty years; and the flood engulfed them, for they were wrong-doers.
Re: Noah lived up to the age of 950 years!!!!!!
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:53 PM
So how does it affect you life JGN? If a person believes that he lived for 950 years so be it. People also believe that an accident created this universe. These are theories. People live with it. How is your life getting affected by it ? Plus this is just a way to change the topic when you did not have an argument.
Re: Re: Noah lived up to the age of 950 years!!!!!!
by JGN on May 09, 2009 10:03 PM
I have a valid argument. The Koran is supposed to be a "divine revealation". So it should not contian such abusrdities.
Re: Re: Noah lived up to the age of 950 years!!!!!!
by JGN on May 09, 2009 10:03 PM
I have a valid argument. The Koran is supposed to be a "divine revealation". So it should not contian such abusrdities.
Re: Re: Re: Noah lived up to the age of 950 years!!!!!!
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 10:06 PM
Unless you can prove beyond doubt that people did not live for long in ancient times, you are banking on a theory rather than proof.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Noah lived up to the age of 950 years!!!!!!
by JGN on May 09, 2009 10:14 PM
So you want us to believe that some persons lived upto the age of 950 years???
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Noah lived up to the age of 950 years!!!!!!
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 10:20 PM
Well if you want us to believe that world was created by accident and cells started to feel and mutate then why cant you expect us to have some expectations from you?
Varun is young but already has a vision for developed India.Sounds very good but difficult to implement.Sterilisation plan is good and it is not new to India.In fact,govt of India has a project of family planning for both males and females,there is also an incentive to the acceptor of sterilisation.If on the eve of election this project gets some publicity,that will be good for the country.
After Kerala TN Orissa missionaries aggressive in AP and Karnataka Alarming 5 fold increase in Kandhamal Christian population from six per cent in 1971 to 27 per cent in 2001 ,It began with the arrival of Christian missionaries in the area who found the remote region very conducive to conduct prosetylization amongst the poor tribals. The conversions continued unhindered until the arrival of Swami Laxmanananda who put strenuous efforts to stop conversions and help reconversion to Hinduism as well. If not for his effort Kandhamal would have been another Nagaland in the making where the separatist movement has wrecked havoc in the state. The aggressive Christian proselytization in Orissa today pitched previously peaceful tribals into warring camps of Christians and non-Christian. This has has vitiated the peace that has existed with various communities for millenia. Why Orissa Orissa has been specially targeted because of a huge tribal population. This allows the missionaries to work from the scrutiny of the media and carry our their nefarious activities. In Kandhamal district, for instance, the Christian population has increased from six per cent in 1971 to 27 per cent in 2001, despite a law enacted by the Orissa Legislature in 1967 to prevent conversion by allurement, coercion, bribery and cheating.
Re: ANY IDEA WHO HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by starlee on May 09, 2009 09:40 PM
Guys to stop conversion first understand the dynamics of conversion .ie how do they get people to switch religion ? xtians do this by
1 . offering food for poor 2. Offering them education 3. Offering them equality Lastly xtians have dedicated people just to assist in the process of conversion . So if anyone wanna stop this follow their same method
Re: ANY IDEA WHO HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by starlee on May 09, 2009 09:20 PM
The only way to stop conversion isto stop byatchin and educate the everyone how great our belief and culture and civilization is .Or wait for those converted to realize it . Just like i did .
Re: ANY IDEA WHO HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by starlee on May 09, 2009 09:40 PM
Guys to stop conversion first understand the dynamics of conversion .ie how do they get people to switch religion ? xtians do this by
1 . offering food for poor 2. Offering them education 3. Offering them equality Lastly xtians have dedicated people just to assist in the process of conversion . So if anyone wanna stop this follow their same method
Re: ANY IDEA WHO HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by starlee on May 09, 2009 09:41 PM
Guys to stop conversion first understand the dynamics of conversion .ie how do they get people to switch religion ? xtians do this by
1 . offering food for poor 2. Offering them education 3. Offering them equality Lastly xtians have dedicated people just to assist in the process of conversion . So if anyone wanna stop this follow their same method
@Sameer , I am xtian myself did u know how many people have been murdered by xtians in the middle ages? do u know that there are thousands of sects of Xtians in the world ?? did u know that in kerala one particular sect of xtian can only marry from within his sect ?? IF NOT HE WILL BE KICKED OUT OF HIS SECT, If this is not caste then what is it ?? what about muzzies ? u saidd there are no caste in muzzies then what's this fighting of shia and sunni muzzies is all about ??? And what about this so called jihad by muzzie ? FYI no where in hinduism it is said that people should be divided on caste basis . Caste was created by humans but that also with the purpose of identifying one with his job function . same like today we today have doctors , teachers , farmers , soldiers etc..Do u wanna see caste in action in today's society ..tell me in today's society who have more power ? Minister of a state or a farmer ??Who will have priority in society ? a farmer or a minister??? PLEASE ANSWER ME ? Dont you ever try to degrade my culture , i'll give my life to protect it .
Re: SAMEER
by starlee on May 09, 2009 09:44 PM
WHERE ARE U SAMEER ? FELL ASLEEP ??????? OR JUST GIVE UP ? OR CANT ANSWER ME ? I DARE YOU ,NO I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU TO PROVE THAT HINDUISM PROMOTES CASTEISM OR DIVISION BETWEEN PEOPLE . DID U KNOW THAT HINDUISM STRONGLY OPPOSES IT ??
Re: Re: SAMEER
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:50 PM
If 1slam teaches caste then it should be mentioned in the Qraan, if Xtianity teaches killing of innocents the it should be mentioned in the b1ble. Like I said, recently there was a news of a h1ndu father raping her daugher for many years on the insistance of his preist. Unless it comes from the vedas its deviation form h1nduism and not a part of it.
Re: Re: Re: SAMEER
by JGN on May 09, 2009 10:05 PM
Sameer, we are not worried about what has been written in The B1ble or The Koran. They are also books written by people like us.
We are now living in a Country where equality before law is guaranteed by the Constitution irrespective of caste, creed, colour, re1igion or region.
Re: Re: Re: SAMEER
by JGN on May 09, 2009 10:05 PM
Sameer, we are not worried about what has been written in The B1ble or The Koran. They are also books written by people like us.
We are now living in a Country where equality before law is guaranteed by the Constitution irrespective of caste, creed, colour, re1igion or region.
Re: SAMEER
by Ramesh on May 09, 2009 09:34 PM
starlee , hats off to you , even though u converted but your soul is not corrupted, it respects your forefathers culture.
Every media is owned by overseas Christian organisations.It was difficult to believe but the Election coverage by TV Media is prooving the point. BUT NOW IT IS PROVED BEYOND DOUBT. (1)No TV Media aired the News on the suicide of Senior Vadhera. If any such death had happened in the family of a BJP person, the Media would have gone agog with the news. (2)Teestha Setalwad was exposed of creating most of the Gujarat Riot Stories and in fact taken the Supreme court almost for a ride.Imagine a similar offence by the opposite side.There would have been discussions,hen fights,opinion polls and SMS surveys.
The MEDIA OF THIS DECADE WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR AGES TO COME. IT IS A BLOT ON JOURNALISM.
Is there any Indian who will lodge a criminal case on Testha Setalwad for her crimes against the communal harmony of this country?
Can any tell me whether the "Sadu" family and common citizens of Saudi Arabia are equal??? Would any artistocratic Mus1im marry off his daughter to an Ossan (Mus1im barber)???
Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by Flower on May 09, 2009 09:42 PM
Sameer,why do you burden your womenfolk to bear so many children?are not they human?
Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by Flower on May 09, 2009 09:37 PM
Sameer,why do you burden your womenfolk to bear so many children?are not they human?
Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:10 PM
Does Qraan or the b1ble tell the saudis to do so ? If yes then their faith has to be questioned. If no then lets keep the faiths aside and question their actions. What are you trying to question here?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equa
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:16 PM
The Koran asks you to ki11 kaf1rs where ever they are found. Can you do that now even in Saudi??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:32 PM
Why did you jump to 29 directly ? Can you give me the background of this chapter? How does it start ? Like I said, you have just read one line from in between. You have not read the beginning or the end. FYI the chapter starts with specifically telling who to fight and why to fight. And by the time we reach to verse 29 the context is totally established.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:21 PM
>>>>>Well, it does ask people to fight those who fight you......NO......it says ki11 non-believers "where ever they are found"........whether they fight or not!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:34 PM
Then why "Jizya" was imposed on the Sikhs in Swat? Aurangazeb also imposed Jizya in India.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:40 PM
60:8 (Y. Ali) Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:24 PM
Well then obviously you have not read the Quran. Or only read one line from somewhere in between.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:29 PM
9:29, Fight those who believe not in A11ah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued..............Taliban imposed "Jizya" on the Sikhs in Swat according to this Verse!!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:17 PM
Well, it does ask people to fight those who fight you. It also says that you have to be just and equal with people who dont fight you. I think that a modern day rule accepted even by the UN. Why do you complain ?
Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:13 PM
So what are you going to do about that? First teach them and them try to teach kaf1rs like me!!!!
Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:16 PM
I dont think I am trying to teach you. Nor am I going to try to teach them. Every individual has to look towards his/her own problems. Who am I to preach others ? But yes I like to refute stupid and confused claims which mix us theology with socio-economic problems of the world.
Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by Flower on May 09, 2009 09:38 PM
Sameer,why do you burden your womenfolk to bear so many children?are not they human?
Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by Flower on May 09, 2009 09:38 PM
Sameer,why do you burden your womenfolk to bear so many children?are not they human?
Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by David Chen on May 09, 2009 09:12 PM
Good idea to sterilize all muzlims and xtains! They are a burden to mother Earth!
Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:13 PM
it wont solve the problem of population tho. 85% of india is h1ndu
Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:15 PM
Sameer, We are not asking for implementation of family planning for the so-called "minorities" only. Same law is applicable to all irrespective of caste, creed, colour, re1igion or region. What is your problem??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equa
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:18 PM
well obviously you have not read the post to which I posted the reply.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:23 PM
Sameeer, what is your problem with family planning? I adopted family planning after the birth of my second child. None of my relatives or friends below 50 years have more than 2 children. Why the "minorities" cannot adopt the same system??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:26 PM
Well the question is why cant the 85% adopt the same system. I think we should target the bigger source of the problem. India has highest population density amongst the major countries of the world and 85% of the density is contributed by h1ndus. minorities should be the last of your worries.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:31 PM
Sameer, that is the problem. You want to divide Indians into "Majority" and "Minority" in every thing. You want to follow your "him panch, hamara pachees" policy also!!!!
Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by Flower on May 09, 2009 09:39 PM
Sameer,why do you burden your womenfolk to bear so many children?are not they human?
Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:43 PM
This question should be asked to the people who contribute 85% to the population not the 13%.
Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:44 PM
Shouldnt this question be posted to the people who are contributing 85% of the burden ?
Re: Re: Re: Saud family and common citizens of Saudi are equal
by JGN on May 09, 2009 10:07 PM
They have already adopted family palnning. It is the so-called "minorities" who are against family planning.
