What is called "Ajlaf" and "Ashraf"?? Have you heard Syriay Christiians of Kerala or the GSB Christiians of Goa? Both claim that they are converted "brahmins" and look down with contempt at other sects of X'tianity. There are separate Churches and even burial grounds for "dalit" X'tians. Try to bluff those who do not have any knowledge about other Re1igions.
Re: @ Sameer
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:00 PM
I have not seen these words appearing in b1ble or the Qraan. And as far as following the caste system is concerned I have already agreed that followers of these two faith indeed follow their cultural roots which promoted castism for 5000 yrs.
Re: Re: @ Sameer
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:04 PM
Who cares for Bib1e or Koran? Proof of pudding is in eating. Are you telling us that the "Saud" family and common citizens of Saudi are equal???
Re: Re: Re: @ Sameer
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:07 PM
Well if you dont care about the B1ble or the Qraan, why are you discussing the faiths based on these books ? If you want to discuss the topic of racism or ultra-nationalism then let me know. If you are accusing a faith then you should base you allegations by targetting the book on which a particular faith is based. If you write a book telling people that cow is god and yet people eat cow, how can your ideology of protecting the cow be blamed ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Sameer
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:10 PM
Sameer, I do not care for any BOOK. I do not consider them more serious than Aesop's Fables or Mu11ah Naseeruddin Stories. I do not ask any one how birds and animals can speak in "Sanskrit" after reading Panchatantra written by Vishnu Sharma.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Sameer
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 09:11 PM
Well looking at your posts it appears you care more than even the followers of these books.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Sameer
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:24 PM
Same way the Indian PM and common devotee in equal at Guruvayoor Temple in Kerala. Even the PM is not allowed to wear foot wear or shirt!!! What is so great in that??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Sameer
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:40 PM
Rajiv Gandhi had gone to guruvayoor Temple and he removed his shirt like anyother devotee.
Re: @ Sameer
by oceanforu on May 09, 2009 09:03 PM
The below quoting from The Proph@t Muh@mmad's(SAW)Last Sermon shows there is no caste system in ISL@M
“All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Ar@b has no superiority over a non-Ar@b nor a non-Ar@b has any superiority over an Ar@b; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every M@slim is a brother to every M@slim and that the M@slims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a M@slim which belongs to a fellow M@slim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.
Remember, one day you will appear before God (The Creator) and you will answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.
O People, NO PROPH@T OR MESSENGER WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I am leaving you with the Book of God (the QUR'@N*) and my SUNNAH (the life style and the behavioral mode of the Proph@t), if you follow them you will never go astray.
All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness O God, that I have conveyed your message to your people”.
Re: Re: @ Sameer
by David Chen on May 09, 2009 09:19 PM
Stop the Quron quoting please, it is also written by men. Fact is, Arabs enslaved blacks and sold them as slaves. What say you about that?
Re: Re: Re: @ Sameer
by oceanforu on May 09, 2009 09:27 PM
"Or do they say he forged it? Say: Bring then a chapter like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can, beside God, if it be you speak the truth."[Noble Qur@n 10:38]
The Qur@n's language is indeed sublime, its recitation moving, as one non-M@slim scholar noted, it was like the cadence of my heartbeat. Due to its unique style of language, the Qur@n is not only highly readable, but also relatively easy to remember. This latter aspect has played an important role not only in the Qur@n's preservation, but in the spiritual life of M@slims as well. God Himself declares
And We have indeed made the Qur@n easy to understand and remember; then is there anyone that will receive admonition?"[Noble Qur@n 54:17]
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Sameer
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:38 PM
29:14 And verily we sent Noah (as Our messenger) unto his folk, and he continued with them for a thousand years save fifty years; and the flood engulfed them, for they were wrong-doers.............so you want me to believe that Noah lived upto the age of 950 years!!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Sameer
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:36 PM
29:14 And verily we sent Noah (as Our messenger) unto his folk, and he continued with them for a thousand years save fifty years; and the flood engulfed them, for they were wrong-doers..................is this what you want me to believe? Noah lived upto the age of 950 years!!!!!!!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Sameer
by JGN on May 09, 2009 10:08 PM
>>>>>it is in there history about the prophAt No@h(PBUH) that he is around 1000 years age............is there no end to bluffing? Mohammed died at the age of 63 years and his only son died when he was still an infant!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Sameer
by oceanforu on May 09, 2009 09:46 PM
it is in there history about the prophAt No@h(PBUH) that he is around 1000 years age.
i hope u can see many peaople lived upto that ages..
"why dont u search this in ur websites"....its given clear...
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Sameer
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:36 PM
29:14 And verily we sent Noah (as Our messenger) unto his folk, and he continued with them for a thousand years save fifty years; and the flood engulfed them, for they were wrong-doers..................is this what you want me to believe? Noah lived upto the age of 950 years!!!!!!!!!
Re: Re: Re: @ Sameer
by oceanforu on May 09, 2009 09:13 PM
MR jgN...why r u always looking only on net...what ever u r talking only on the basis of some website...put u r thinking right dear brother...IF U WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING REFER TO SOME AUTHENTIC SOURCES...not from some websites.
Re: Re: Re: but
by JGN on May 09, 2009 08:58 PM
Rediff is a filthy media. Their only aim is to increase the number of "hits"! Vicky Nanjappa, Sheela Bhatt, etc are real "specimens" of yellow-hournalism.
Majority community wants to have it both ways. It wants to oppress the Dalits and also wants to deny them the opportunity to convert by making anti-conversion laws. In other words it wants to enjoy its sadistic pleasure of caste discrimination ad infinitum...
Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by JGN on May 09, 2009 08:25 PM
There is caste system in 1slam and Chriitianity also. Search web for more details. Go to the web of "Dalit Voice" also. Don't try to bluff.
Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 08:36 PM
There is no caste system in 1slam. But as 1slam is a religion spread across several cultures, there might be some muslims who stick to their cultural roots.
Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 08:39 PM
There is no caste system in 1slam Xtianity. These faiths are spread all across the world and people belonging to many cultures follow them. And some of these people come from a culture which had caste system from 5000 yrs.
Re: Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by Sanjukta Arora on May 09, 2009 08:46 PM
Sameer who are you trying to kid here? There r no kindergarten kids whom u can lecture. Christiians thenselves admit they have caste system so shut your ignorant mouth. Regarding Islam, no comments. You know it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 08:50 PM
As far as I have read theology Xtianity and 1slam have different schools of thoughts and none of them promote casteism. For example Catholicism is not a caste neither is sunni a caste. And as far a b1ble or Qran goes I dont see the worlds catholics or sunni appearing in them. Where as some very premitive scriptures belonging to a particular faith talks in lenght about casteism specifically naming the castes.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 08:56 PM
Well then you have to revisit the ancient scriptures to find how different castes are born. It goes into details describing which caste takes BIRTH from which part of the human body.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by Vidisha on May 09, 2009 09:04 PM
Sameer, since you mentioned Catholics, let me inform you that they have castes even inside Catholics, ey brahmins and others. They are choosy while marrying too. Upper caste Catholics won't marry lower caste ones. I have many catholic friends through whom I got to know all this, so take your preaching elsewhere and don't think everyone is ignorant.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by JGN on May 09, 2009 08:54 PM
Sameer, caste system in Veidc era was determined by Profession and not by birth. Ved Vyasa who is said to have divided the Vedas was the son of a fisher woman and Valmiki was a tribal. Even the person know as "Father" of Malayalam Language, Thunchath Ramanujan Ezhuthathan was an OBC according to present day classification.
Go to the web of "Vanjaras" of Maharashtra and understand how the Britishers made them a "criminal tribe".
Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by oceanforu on May 09, 2009 08:56 PM
The below quoting from The Proph@t Muh@mmad's(SAW)Last Sermon shows there is no caste system in ISL@M “All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Ar@b has no superiority over a non-Ar@b nor a non-Ar@b has any superiority over an Ar@b; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every M@slim is a brother to every M@slim and that the M@slims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a M@slim which belongs to a fellow M@slim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves. Remember, one day you will appear before God (The Creator) and you will answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone. O People, NO PROPH@T OR MESSENGER WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I am leaving you with the Book of God (the QUR'@N*) and my SUNNAH (the life style and the behavioral mode of the Proph@t), if you follow them you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness O God, that I have conveyed your message to your people”.
Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by oceanforu on May 09, 2009 08:37 PM
The below quoting from The Proph@t Muh@mmad's(SAW)Last Sermon shows there is no caste system in ISL@M “All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Ar@b has no superiority over a non-Ar@b nor a non-Ar@b has any superiority over an Ar@b; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every M@slim is a brother to every M@slim and that the M@slims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a M@slim which belongs to a fellow M@slim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves. Remember, one day you will appear before God (The Creator) and you will answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone. O People, NO PROPH@T OR MESSENGER WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I am leaving you with the Book of God (the QUR'@N*) and my SUNNAH (the life style and the behavioral mode of the Proph@t), if you follow them you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness O God, that I have conveyed your message to your people”.
Re: Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by David Chen on May 09, 2009 09:35 PM
What unadultrated C rap1 is this! By the way, God did not dictate any holy books, they were all written by men in medieval primitive Middle Eastern dirt lands, except for Hinduism1 which flourished from 6000 years. The prophet1 (SAW=?, WTF) took 23 years to write a substandard book?
Re: Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by David Chen on May 09, 2009 09:35 PM
What unadultrated C rap1 is this! By the way, God did not dictate any holy books, they were all written by men in medieval primitive Middle Eastern dirt lands, except for Hinduism1 which flourished from 6000 years. The prophet1 (SAW=?, WTF) took 23 years to write a substandard book?
Re: Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:01 PM
>>>>>I am leaving you with the Book of God ..............my foot......there cannot be any Book of God.......The Koran was his concoction to hoodwink his followers.
Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 08:43 PM
Two young h1ndu women were killed today by their husbands who suspected them of doing adultery. One h1ndu father raped his own daughter for many years on the advise of a hindu priest. These incidences have nothing to do with h1nduism. Bad people can come from any re1igion.
Re: Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by JGN on May 09, 2009 08:50 PM
>>>>Bad people can come from any re1igion...........then all Re1igions have outlived their utility.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by Sameer on May 09, 2009 08:51 PM
Relgions, good or bad are here to stay. So a prudent idea would be to learn to live with it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by JGN on May 09, 2009 09:02 PM
If Re1igions are here to stay, confine that to the four walls of your hosue or to the respective place of worship. Don't bring g0d/g0ds on to the streets and create problems for others.
Re: Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by Sanjukta Arora on May 09, 2009 08:49 PM
Judging from his post, he was talking about ezlamic caste system n hence reference to that incident. Y dnt u guys try to read first without jumping in to quote non- relevant articles? U r just proving ur ignorance and dumbness.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Heads I win tails you lose...
by Sunil BS on May 09, 2009 09:23 PM
caste system is there everywhere in the world the four castes are as follows 1) Priestly class 2) Administrative class 3) Business class 4) Labour class (computer engineers included :))
previously 5000 years back this caste system was based on natural tendency nowadays it is become only birth right, even though birth in favourable circumstances allows a person to acquire brahminical qualities it is not just birth right one has to get those qualities now it is purely birth right which is not true but so called islamists and christians who say there is no caste system they are jokers it is existent all over the world but not in the manner it should be followed.
During the Congress regime, there has been some questionable use of the Consular Machinery of India in various foreign countries.
When Dr. Hanif was arrested in Australia, the entire Indian Consular Apparatus in Australia was pressed into action, and every last consular resource of India was used (mis-used ?) to extricate Dr. Hanif from the clutches of the Australian Government.
In California, fashion-designer Anand Jon has been convicted of multiple rapes. The Consul-General of India in San Francisco, Ms. Sushmita Thomas, is personally taking interest in the case, to try and get Anand Jon a lenient prison sentence. Shouldn't the Indian Government let the law of the USA take its own course ?
Meanwhile, several Indian students in the USA have been attacked and killed. We hope that the India consular-missions abroad are sufficiently concerned about this to take suitable action to ensure the safety of Indian students studying abroad.
Ottavio Quatrochi may be sighted frolicking in the open in Malyasia or Argentina, but our Congress Government and our consular-missions always seems to be one step behind the elusive Mr. Q, narrowly missing Q yet again !
Now, the Congress is idly watching the genocide of the Tamil civilians in Sri Lanka. Moreover, the Congress has been training and arming the Sinhala Armed Forces, in their genocide on the Tamil civilians.
Re: At home and abroad, the Congress disappoints !
by JGN on May 09, 2009 08:30 PM
On an average three Indians are attacked and/or ki11ed in USA and Australia every day. Still our Congi govt has not taken the matter seriously. They are only concerned about "the minorities having first right over the resources of our Country"!!!!
Just think beyond political party, religion and personal stuff.Dont you guys think population control is need of hour ? India badly needs to control its population growth rate.
Re: Varun Gandhi Will Split BJP
by My Opinion on May 09, 2009 08:12 PM
yawwwwwn ... All such your cunning tactics wont work.BJP is growing and growing more ...
Re: Varun Gandhi Will Split BJP
by guy giggling on May 09, 2009 08:17 PM
Yeah! the same way Con gress split a thousand times and became week. That's what you mean. Right?
Re: Re: Re: girls
by JGN on May 09, 2009 08:11 PM
That is old equation!! Now write something new. Is it true that RAW had some role in your birth also??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: girls
by Trend setter on May 09, 2009 08:17 PM
i have not posted filthy messages...be man enough to argue with me..why speak falsehood?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: girls
by JGN on May 09, 2009 08:19 PM
You always speak falsehood only. You find RAW in everything!!! That is the reason why I am wondering whether they had some role in your birth also.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: girls
by Vidisha on May 09, 2009 08:25 PM
No its not filthy in your opinion. But for the women who you are pretending to safeguard, thats a very cheap and nonsense comment.
Re: girls
by ScottishBreeze on May 09, 2009 08:15 PM
Is Sri Ram Sena troubling you a lot these days? I see their name coming up everywhere although BJP took action against them.
Re: Re: girls
by Trend setter on May 09, 2009 08:19 PM
ok..let us believe that BJP can dare to take action against the impotent muthalik..and be lulled into coma.
Majority community of India is badly divided. It practices untouchability against its own people. It does not even believe in the concept of equality of human beings. Really terrible...
Re: Divided community
by JGN on May 09, 2009 08:07 PM
hahahhaha.......so where is the equalty between Ajlafs and Ashrafs? White skinned Christiians and black/brown skinned Christiians??
Re: Divided community
by ScottishBreeze on May 09, 2009 08:17 PM
And the minorities creating havoc in 50 other countries....really...what has this world come to?
