Not BJP but RSS is the main reason for the defeat of BJP. BJP should liberate itself from the shackles of RSS and its various children in the form of VHP, Bajrangi, Sadhvi, Purohit etc. BJP, under Vajpayee Sahab,had done really a great job. It is not the fanaticism and negative approach towards minorities of Modi & Advani that will take BJP any further. If the BJP toes the line of Sangh parivar they will surely go back to their 1984 tally of 2 MPs very soon.
India needs strong 2 party system. BJP can develop itself as a strong alternatve to Congress which is heavily dependent on dynastic rulers. However blaming the voters, the media and all those who are opposed to Sangh Parivars views and their methods of butchering the minorities will give them nothing.
RSS is trying to put its blame on BJP. RSS should introspect itself for its fanatic views and as a social orgnstn should remain away from politics. Their involvement in BJP affairs is detrimental to both RSS & BJP. IF RSS can not, BJP on itself should snap its ties with RSS and give a new outlook as a modern party fighting for the real causes of suffering people of India. It should stop depending heavily on Brahmins & Baniyas.
The real master stroke would be to keep away the RSS, VHP, Bajrangi and other fanatics who are engaged in violent methods and pouring poison in the society. Not many, other than Brahmins, agree with the views of RSS. Though they try to show patriotism, their ideology is corrupt and inhuman.
This will be phrase IF EVER, Narendrabhai Modi will be projected as a PM, he is the most confused lot in Indian Political circle... When ever some one questions him his role in GUJ riots, he simply "Drinks a glass of water and walks out of media room or just keeps quiet do not answer... may be his pants are drenched...
Some people are shouting a lot on this issue of Moditva, but have they ever asked about war crimes against the Hindus during Islamic period by Aurangzeb, Tamur, Ghazni etc. Almost all Islamic invaders demolished Hindu temples and killed Hindus who refused to convert. What about those war crimes? I'm not sure that whether I support or oppose Gujarat 2002, but yes, the universal law of Karma works. Price is paid for wrong deeds, whether by an individual or by a community. And don't think that people of India (Hindus) voted for Congress because of Gujarat 2002, because if they had, the BJP wouldn't have rose to power and win 182 seats. There are many different factors. This time people voted for the Congress because of Rahul and Priyanka Gandhi campaigns. In Rajasthan Gujjar agitation worked in favor of the Congress. In Delhi, people voted for Shiela Dixit led Congress party and not for Sonia's Congress. In Uttarakhand people voted against the BJP because the BJP imposed an unpopular CM Khanduri on the people. And where Gujarat 2002 happened, that state is continuously voting for the BJP. So do you have to say something Zaki? And as far as development is concerned, Gujarat is the most developed state of India, and you also accept this fact. And Congress has done nothing special. Still roads are loopholed, still we face powercuts in our so-called cities, still the people are dying because of floods, terror attacks, heat waves, cold waves and so on. Just wait for 2014 elections.
Re: What about war crimes during Islamic period?
by Rohit Rawat on May 17, 2009 09:10 PM
And it is also assured that at least 50-100 terror attacks will take place in India during the next 5 years. And yes Congress ruled India for about 50 years, of which 30 years were continuous. What did they do during that time. Japan was nuked in 1945 and hosted the olympics in 1964 (and won medals too). Hosting olympics means became developed. So I'm sure that still after 5 years in 2014 India will be having the highest no. of hungry, illiterate, poor, malnourished people in India, and also we'll have higher no. of billionares and millionares, and wider rich and poor gap.
Re: Re: What about war crimes during Islamic period?
by murali on May 20, 2009 03:02 PM
mr. rohit u r right. united states is celebrating already. India and my state andhra pradesh has gone to dogs
Re: What about war crimes during Islamic period?
by Indian on May 18, 2009 02:32 PM
you idiot talking about what happened in stone ages...neolithic ages do not count in free india after 1947
Re: Re: What about war crimes during Islamic period?
by Vivek on May 25, 2009 08:13 PM
Since when did India became free? Neolithic !You must be using Time Machine. We are not even free from stone throwing morons.
Mr. Bidwai is known for his hyperboles in the cause of the left. But this surely takes the cake with the Baker!!!! The 1984 riots against Sikhs seems to have become a part of ancient Indian History. It was not only in delhi that Sikhs were Massacred. In places like Kanpur, it was a straight pogram by the Congress. Can Mr. Bidwai enlighten us to the number of Rioters killed in Police firing in those 1984 Riots. i am sure he will plead amnesia. The fact is there was none. In Gujarat, over a third of those who died were killed in Police firing (nearly 190). Riots anywhere are a serious blot on India. Anyone who supports any form of violence deserves no mercy. But please get facts right so that the argument is persuasive. And remember my rioter is better than yours is not a good motto, nor is selective amnesia. Also please tell us how many cases were filed by the new bleeding heart liberals against the Government in 1984 as is the case in Gujarat. Afraid in Delhi??? secular!!! No fear in Gujarat??? Communal!!! When will we have balanced views by columnists.
Re: Biggest Communal Carnage in Independent India ???????
by murali on May 20, 2009 02:58 PM
even though innumerable sikhs are massacred congress is labelled as secular by electronic and print media apart from likes of lalu, mulayam etc. when it comes to the true nationalist party like bjp, they are labelled as communal only for one temple. this is not fair. all my dear hindu friends wake up and be united
Mr. Bidwai is known for his hyperboles in the cause of the left. But this surely takes the cake with the Baker!!!! The 1984 riots against Sikhs seems to have become a part of ancient Indian History. It was not only in delhi that Sikhs were Massacred. In places like Kanpur, it was a straight pogram by the Congress. Can Mr. Bidwai enlighten us to the number of Rioters killed in Police firing in those 1984 Riots. i am sure he will plead amnesia. The fact is there was none. In Gujarat, over a third of those who died were killed in Police firing (nearly 190). Riots anywhere are a serious blot on India. Anyone who supports any form of violence deserves no mercy. But please get facts right so that the argument is persuasive. And remember my rioter is better than yours is not a good motto, nor is selective amnesia. Also please tell us how many cases were filed by the new bleeding heart liberals against the Government in 1984 as is the case in Gujarat. Afraid in Delhi??? secular!!! No fear in Gujarat??? Communal!!! When will we have balanced views by columnists.
Re: Biggest Communal Carnage in Independent India ???????
by Zaki on May 14, 2009 02:39 PM
The case against Modi cannot be brushed aside because of 1984. Here is an administration that indulged in this genicide and the BJP is shamelessly projecting this Chemical Ali as a PM candidate. Now that is shameless!
Now you may reflect how atleast the Tytlers and Sajjan Kumars have been shown for what they are. So there is still some iota of difference. Deir aaye durust aaye.
Re: Re: Biggest Communal Carnage in Independent India ???????
by Hitesh Popat on May 14, 2009 05:49 PM
U People dont know the taste of Prosperity & development. U can only critize other & dont bother of ur responsibilty towards nation. Had u called any Islamic Terrorists as DEMON and asked GOD/ALLAH to punish them. B rational.......
Re: Re: Re: Biggest Communal Carnage in Independent India ???????
by murali on May 20, 2009 03:06 PM
mr hitesh u r right. the likes of zaki will never understand the taste of development. they will never call a terrorist a demon because most of the muslims are lacking true nationalism and spirit
Re: Re: Re: Biggest Communal Carnage in Independent India ???????
by Sir Snake on May 17, 2009 10:26 AM
Dear, Hitler also brought a prosperity but it does not absolve him of his wrongs.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Biggest Communal Carnage in Independent India ???
by ishrat khan on May 17, 2009 11:43 AM
PROSPERITY FOR THE SAKE OF INNOCENT BLOODS---- THIS IS WHAT GUJRAT IS... IF MODI BROUGHT PROSPERITY TO GUJRAT, ITS HIS DUTY AS CM, BUT KILLING INNOCENTS IS DONE ONLY BY KILLER MODI... HANG HIM TILL DEATH FOR SAKE OF INNOCENT BLOOD..
Modi is the Chemical Ali of India and I hope one day he is brought to justice, though whether the SC is capable of prosecuting a war crime is not certain. I hope it does not require a regime change to bring this demon to justice.
The state that actively targets its own population cannot call anyone else a terrorist. With Modi at the helm, the State becomes a legitimate target. This is the blind spot that the Hindu right is incapable of seeing.
When the balance of justice does'nt work, the balance of terror takes over!!
Re: Chemical Ali of India
by Hitesh Popat on May 14, 2009 05:46 PM
U People dont know the taste of Prosperity & development. U can only critize other & dont bother of ur responsibilty towards nation. Had u called any Islamic Terrorists as DEMON and asked GOD/ALLAH to punish them. B rational.......
Re: Re: Chemical Ali of India
by Zaki on May 14, 2009 06:26 PM
How do you know what my views are on those specific acts, but the subject here is this demon - yes that is what this Chemical Ali is and instead of me, it is you who is being irrational.
Modi is a war criminal, and he would pay for his crimes someday. No matter how much support his Islamophobic BJP supporters may back him up. Now whether the courts of India can do this is another matter.
Pseudo-intellectuals like you are past masters in the art of falsity Mr Bidwai. But the readers are not fools!
Where is your substantiation for the following statements?
1. "The latest order is on a par with the Supreme Court's recent directions to transfer major legal cases pertaining to the carnage out of Gujarat"
What 'major legal cases'? SC has only ordered the setting up of fast track courts?
2. "...the tens of thousands of victims of the orgy of killing, rape, arson and looting..."
This is an outright canard. The exact number of people killed is around 1050, which will be increased after the addition of the number of people missing(around 220), after the 7 year time limit. Whom are you trying to fool Mr. Bidwai?
3. "the BJP leadership has chosen to pour scorn on the Supreme Court order, maligning it as politically motivated and timed"
Why do you abdicate from your responsibility of providing names, by using such a blanket word like 'BJP leadership'. Why cant you say which leader said what?
4. "Modi has melodramatically pledged to go to jail if found guilty, but to be 'reborn to serve Gujarat.'"
Is this sentence even coherent? Please check the sentence structure!
Re: What is the point you are trying to make Mr. Bidwai?
by Captain Haddock on May 10, 2009 08:56 PM
5. "... set up under former Central Bureau of Investigation director R K Raghavan... the outfit has only filed one new chargesheet in the 10 cases it has investigated."
What happened to the nine other cases then? Can we assume the corollary that nobody indicted in the other cases were found guilty enough to file a chargesheet against them?
6. "...following Modi's directives of February 27/28, Gujarat's government machinery refused to restrain armed mobs..."
Again, a hoax perpetrated by the ELM. Godhra train massacre happened on the 27th. The riots started on 28th. By the 1st of March - remember Feb has only 28 days - and within 24 hours, armed forces were deployed at sensitive areas.
7. "These facts are far too well-established to need more substantiation."
Another blanket statement! Were are all those substantiations?
8."- as if there were two sides to blame for the violence -"
Your indulgence of chicanery is irritating! How do you claim that only one group was solely responsible for the violence? Of course, you have conveniently not named any group. Then can the readers conclude that it was the muslims who were to blame for the violence, by burning 58 people in the Sabarmati Express and thereby provocating the riots?
Re: Re: What is the point you are trying to make Mr. Bidwai?
by Captain Haddock on May 10, 2009 08:57 PM
9. "...the public delivers a stinging rebuff to Modi and his ideology of Moditva"
Come on! Are you such a dumb idiot to not even understand what the people think? The Gujaratis have voted Modi back to power, not once but twice! Open your eyes Mr. Bidwai? People in the majority of the NDA ruled states have started to realize what it is to really have an able administration - be it Gujarat or Madhya Pradesh or Bihar. It is only the pseudo-intellectuals, journalist-cooks(who cook up fabricated and false stories) who harp about "Hindu fundamentalism" and other such nonsense.
People everywhere are very clear on what they want - Development! If they get it from NDA they will vote for NDA. Simple.
10. "...this campaign is explained by the BJP's own disenchantment with Advani... an even greater disgrace than its humiliation at the hustings."
Actually, your ranting explains your morbid fear of NDA returning to power, for whatever reason God only knows. Dont jump the gun. Wait until the noon of May 16, before you can wax eloquent about the "humiliation at the hustings" for the BJP. Who knows, your waxing may turn into wailing!!!
Re: Re: Re: What is the point you are trying to make Mr. Bidwai?
by Zaki on May 11, 2009 04:39 PM
You may not accept the reason why the SC has asked for cases to be transferred out of Gujarat, but how can you deny the explicit statements of Babu Bajrangi, or were they also doctored? like those of Varun Baba. This is a culture of denial, that pervades the BJP and the Sangh parivar, which you are also indulging in!
Re: Re: Re: Re: What is the point you are trying to make Mr. Bidw
by Hitesh Popat on May 14, 2009 05:51 PM
ZAKI BHAI --U People dont know the taste of Prosperity & development. U can only critize other & dont bother of ur responsibilty towards nation. Had u called any Islamic Terrorists as DEMON and asked GOD/ALLAH to punish them. B rational.......
the founder of the dynasty J Nehru was to remark that he was "... proud to be reared up an Islamist, an Englishman by education, and a Hindu by accident". In a letter to President Dr Rajendra Prasad (Nov 17, 1953) Nehru wrote:"The Hindu is certainly not tolerant and is certainly more narrow minded than almost any person in any other country except the Jews". For more info read the article by Sharada Gupta in the Indian Express of New Delhi, August 29, 1997. The Sword of Truth online magazine had presented several articles, two are particularly important(1) A Tale of Two Lals, and (2) The Story of Gangadhar, Father of Motilal. Also do a google search, and try to find books by Mathai and Yunus. Make your vote count.
