If it is so, this will be only a black day for indian people.Already in terms of human index, we are going down.Even in terms of child's health we are below Bangladesh- and if CPIM gets irrelevant, we would be next to Somalia or central african republic.
Re: Irrelevance
by Priya Nair on Mar 30, 2009 07:03 PM
They always act for the interrest of China...they only opposed nuclear deal as bcoz their chinese bosses wanted so.....even during 1962 Indo-china war,CPM supported china and faced ban for its anti-national activities.....They called Netaji Subhash Bose as 'Dog' in their party mouthpiece....they opposed 'Quit India' movement in 1942 and supported British at that time....they r the real threat to India
Re: Irrelevance
by Avik Bose on Mar 30, 2009 07:08 PM
can u plz tell me, how many thousands of industries have been closed due to hooliganism of CITU ? Why CPM didn"t allow computer in 1986? Why english was removed from primary education? Where was ur conscience when CPM was turning the entire industrial belt of Hooghly and Howrah into a graveyard?Because of 32 years of misrule of CPM, how many generations hv already been crippled and had to flee from Bengal? Have u ever seen the level of infrastructure in rural bengal,be it road,electricity,health service or any other facility? Why the communist leaders like Jyoti Basu,Subhash Chakraborty,Goutam Deb,Amitava Nandi, Asim Dasgupta etc used to lead such a lavish life which is totally unbecoming of a real communist?
Re: Re: Irrelevance
by sid sukhdial on Mar 30, 2009 07:08 PM
U know, their funda, if I can't get rich, i should not let other's get rich. Lazy B_s_ards.
Whatever the election result,CPM is going to support congress in centre.Then why CPM and Congress fight each other? Because of CPM,Bengal and Kerala become industrially backward.CPM discouraged above average people and they were forced to leave state.The main ingrediant of Communism is inferiority complex.They would approach a poor guy and would tell to fight his employer for more wage and subsequently unit will be closed down and both employer and employee suffer Wheras a positive person will tell this poor guy to learn more skills and with this additional skill,earn more,or become an enterpreneur. The approach is different.That is why all communist countries become poor.All communist become poor except the leaders.They exploited people,cheated nation,made sure that no development took place,etc. I hope ,they will pay a heavy price in this election.
Re: Communists will pay the price
by Arup Joshi on Mar 31, 2009 10:28 AM
Anil , I fully agree with the idea that merit of individualism should prevail and everybody should compete each other and make merry. But the question is resource limited and highly populated third world state’s can follow such a model. don’t you think distributive model has relevance in our country?
All the party bosses are really shaken after seeing the grand alliance of TMC and Congress.Their internal assessment tells that they will lose 25 seats to this TMC-Cong alliance......Opposition has made a dent to CPM's traditional vote bank among minorities and SC's.........really this is a tough time for commies
I am 60 now has been closely following all the assembly and national elections since 1967.Marxists have not gained much in roads in electoral terms during thses 40 years. But I have never seen more honest and sincere committed politicians in the entire political spectrum than the Marxists. You may not agree with them and accept their ideology. But please tell me do you have real belief and faith in any of those in Congress or BJP or the regional parties to address and deliver the needs of common man in our country. I need not eloborate but just think about Karunakaran, Karunanidhi, Jayalalitha, Bangarappa,Bajanlal,Sukram,Devilal,Naidu,and many others. I dont think even a single corrution charge has been levelled or proved against the Communists. Their life style, living on party's allowance,and the accessibility even to the top leadership by ordinary people should be seen to be believed. They may have electoral seat adjustments with these political parties but they are all temporary and with a purpose to extend their reach. I have seen what were the results in the previous Mahajoth attempts. And do you really believe that a political party can go on be winning the state and national elections since 1977 continuesly by mere rigging. Just set aside your personal prejudices and analyse the role played by Marxists since 1967 in national politics.
Re: 'After elections, CPM will become irrelevant'
by Priya Nair on Mar 30, 2009 07:01 PM
CPM always acts for the interrest of China...they only opposed nuclear deal as bcoz their chinese bosses wanted so.....even during 1962 Indo-china war,CPM supported china and faced ban for its anti-national activities.....They called Netaji Subhash Bose as 'Dog' in their party mouthpiece....they opposed 'Quit India' movement in 1942 and supported British at that time....they r the real threat to India
Re: 'After elections, CPM will become irrelevant'
by sid sukhdial on Mar 30, 2009 07:02 PM
Agree Venkat if I may call u that. My question is this that should we have commies in India. Honest they may be but with the right ideology they can take India to the top. The problem is their ideology. How many Commie countries have done well. One, China. Bengal could be a big business hub, providing employment to lacs of bongs, but the commies won't have it. They want China to rule India. Kill at will to remain in Power. Thats not what we want. Atleast Congress & BJP have the right idea. They r taking us in the right direction though be it a little slowly. Commies will ruin us.
Re: 'After elections, CPM will become irrelevant'
by ranajit mohanty on Mar 30, 2009 07:26 PM
good point.... corruption charges, we dont know about it at national level as they hardly ever part of a Govt to be major corrupt charged at. look at state level then, if they are not corrupted why the people of westbengal suffering, why no devlopment is there, If they are strong admistrator why so many bangladeshi settled there illegally. they had stable governments. What stopped them from providing good governace, The land settlement work is considered novice, agree, then who benifitted. The erstwhile Jmindars(land lord) have been replaced by party goons, without their whim nothing happens. And now we see the reaction, so much violence during polls, why is it so.
by national policy, they talk a lot of nuclear policy, india supporting USA against IRAN nuclear test. India co-working for anti missile test
China doing nuclear trade with Pakistan, north korea ....no worry China doing anti baliistic missile test, even shooting down space shuttles for test , no comments
Iran testing nuclear weopn ..no comment
only india does it they ahve a problem, theh what poilicy, honesty, integraty we are talking of,
when the last time they have gone against the chinese, a chiese company didnt get work permit in kerla ship building unit/ ZTE barred from tendor submission, so CPI/CPM marched to PMO.
Deepa mehta is welcomed to shoot the water movie, Taslima is asked to leave and her book is banned, kerla whichh party CPI has gone with an alliance this year Mr Venky. Indian communist.?
* Communist leaders in India are real hypocrites. * They advocate anti-capitalism to Indians. Almost all Communist leaders have sent their sons and daughters to America as immigrants in the pretext of higher studies.
Re: Re: Truth
by chacha choudhary on Mar 30, 2009 06:57 PM
The point is they are forcing their ideology.... We dont want communists....The day of mill unions etc are gone...Now a days u work or quit....Communists are the quitters and sitters on hadtaal....Please take a break from politics i would say to communists....
Re: Re: Truth
by bhaskar datta on Mar 30, 2009 07:02 PM
I will give you an example---go check the facts ----the daughter of the Late Anil Biswas---Ajanta Biswas---stays in the USA
Trivial issue---but Subhas Chakraborty--the not-so-honourble Transport minister of Bengal---did not trust state hospitals and went to the US for his bypass surgery.Well,comrade?
Re: Re: Re: Truth
by Parichay on Mar 30, 2009 07:10 PM
Right..but similarly late Anil biswas died in a Hospital of Bengal. And you can not say if his daughter has been sent by him or managed by herself.
Other hand,even son/daughter of our honorable speaker was not also studied abroad.
Look I am not a blind supporter....I does know that the leaders are not 'dhoya tulsi pata' and how much wild they can be...as example Nandigram.
The point is you can not generelized as CPM leaders son/daughter are in abroad where most of the cases are opposite.
Even you know as a bengali the trend of sending son/daughter abroad is more among politicians of other state.
In this case both the CPM and TMC is more or less clean.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Truth
by bhaskar datta on Mar 30, 2009 07:18 PM
It is the sheer hypocracy that is of note here !!!!
You blame the USA for every ill of the world ---call it names and have no qualms about sending your children there !!! Other parties dont do that !!!
I will not go by odious comparisons with other states---the "we are better than Bihar" syndrome of the CPM.
and by the way---I am very proud to be a Bengali---but my primary identity is that I am an Indian.CPM is a threat not only to bengal but my entire nation
Re: Re: Re: Truth
by Subhabrata Roy on Mar 30, 2009 07:10 PM
Mr Dutta.. Do you know what late Anil Biswas 's daughter did?? She studies from Presidency College, did her doctorate from Kolkata.. and her husband stays in US..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Truth
by bhaskar datta on Mar 30, 2009 07:20 PM
READ what i have written----i talked of her BEING in the US --not studying there!!!
If you are an anti-imperilaist---you shouldnt be marrying an American citizen---and rather co-incidentally--take up US citizenship yourself
Re: Re: Truth
by Sanjoy Ray on Mar 30, 2009 07:25 PM
@Parichay ,Son of Asim Bala,CPM's Bangaon canidate has been sent to Australia.Grand-daughters of Jyoti Basu have been sent to London.lots of examples r there.......
Re: Re: Truth
by Parichay on Mar 30, 2009 07:00 PM
More to the list..... Lakhan Shet's son was my senior in 'Haldia Institute of Technology' in Computer Sc. Not even gone outside of bengal for study...
Re: Re: Re: Truth
by bhaskar datta on Mar 30, 2009 07:08 PM
You are evading replies to me.Some of the names I took---they happen to be my batchmates--so I know as well.And oh---by the way---why are you using a computer---introduction of which the CPM had fought tooth and nail ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Truth
by Subhabrata Roy on Mar 30, 2009 07:20 PM
Who is your batchmate???? Ajanta?? do you know where she graduated from??? and wherefrom she has done her doctorate?? Off course not from "East georgia University" from where Dr. Mamata bannerjee did her doctorate..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Truth
by bhaskar datta on Mar 30, 2009 07:25 PM
again--RAED what i have said--about her STAYING in the USA.And again,comparisons with graduates from fictitous universities will not absolve one of things done !!!It translates to "i agree I am bad,but you are worse..."
Re: Re: Re: Truth
by bhaskar datta on Mar 30, 2009 07:06 PM
Perhaps u will also like to explain why Riddhi Deb---Rabin Deb's daughter and Jyoti Basu's grand-daughter went to english medium schools after the CPM abolished english from primary schools --so that millions of poor people dont "get touched by imperialist tools"
Re: Re: Re: Re: Truth
by Parichay on Mar 30, 2009 07:18 PM
I already mentioned that I am commie but not at all CPM. CPM pretend to be commie. In none of my posing you will find I am attacking anyone personally...and expect the same.
The thing is voting in our country is a joke where we are given bunch of wrong option and asked to choose one.....I don't believe in this voting system and won't vote for CPM.
but what I am saying is I don't accept what is told by 'Truth'.
By the way although will not cast my vote....I believe that CPM is teh best to choose among the other wrong options.
I will ask for comment that I am going to post now....as I have found you logical....thanks
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Truth
by bhaskar datta on Mar 30, 2009 07:32 PM
Thanks for keeping the spirit and keeping the discussions logical and not making them personal
What you have said is true--the options are all wrong--but my belief is the CPM is the gravest threat to the Indian nation.And oh---i am not a supporter of the Potuaparar Agnikanya
They always act for the interrest of China...they only opposed nuclear deal as bcoz their chinese bosses wanted so.....even during 1962 Indo-china war,CPM supported china and faced ban for its anti-national activities.....They called Netaji Subhash Bose as 'Dog' in their party mouthpiece....they opposed 'Quit India' movement in 1942 and supported British at that time....they r the real threat to India
Re: Days of Prakash Karat , Brinda Karat will soon come to an end
by sid sukhdial on Mar 30, 2009 06:53 PM
So if they r a danger to India.What is more imp. is that they have been Congress' only hope to power post last election (and also previously). Same is the case with JMM, Antulay, etc who r the source for Congress to remain in POwer. I have no doubt that TMC post elections will be forced to leave UPA b'cauze "The party of the Saints, Congress" will require 3rd front's support.
Before the birth of Trinamool Congress, Ms Bannerji was part of Congress. When TC was part and parcel of congress also Communists were rulers of WB. The statement may not be true. Ofcourse, because of singrur developments, communists may lose some grounds than earlier elections.
can u plz tell me, how many thousands of industries have been closed due to hooliganism of CITU ? Why CPM didn"t allow computer in 1986? Why english was removed from primary education? Where was ur conscience when CPM was turning the entire industrial belt of Hooghly and Howrah into a graveyard?For 32 years of misrule of CPM, how many generations hv already been crippled and had to flee from Bengal? Have u ever seen the level of infrastructure in rural bengal,be it road,electricity,health service or any other facility?
Re: @Diptendu Banerjee
by Subhabrata Roy on Mar 30, 2009 07:01 PM
Avik.. what you said in this post is correct.. Its the left to blame for not accepting the proposal for allowing computer zone in Kolkata. They thought that it would destroy jobs and in this wrong thought missed out to be what Bangalore is now.. Now for jute mills in Howrah hoogly belt I am sure you wont blame CPIM for that.. It was inevitable.. even the cotton industry in Gujrat is sinking 1990 onwards.. But yes the irresponsible act of CITU played a catalyst to that.. The role of CITU cannot be accepted..
Now as far as infrastructure of rural Bengal, I feel you haven't been to rural bengal for a long time... I have been and seen the change.. Though lot needs to be done.. lots have been done.. However I believe if Gujrat can have 92% of villages with electricity, bengals having 68% of villages with electricity as a failure.. I dont believe in comparing bengal with Andhra where 52% of villages have electricity, Not with Orissa where 48% of the villages have eletricity..
The tragedy of Bengal is that the mistake that CPIm and CITU did in 1980s and 1990s.. TMC is now doing the same.. Our tragedy is West Bengal cant have oppositions who backs the govt in industrial activities (like in Gujrat) rather they believe in playing politics with the states development..
Re: @Diptendu Banerjee
by sid sukhdial on Mar 30, 2009 06:47 PM
Yet they were voted for, were'nt they. Its the same like Bihar. Under Laloo's rule one could see Bihar going from bad to worse to horrible but he was still voted into power. So it is the fault of the Biharis (me included though I never voted for him) for letting him remain in power and ruin the state. Similarly it is the fault of all the Bongs for voting commies.
Does the Third Front pose a threat to the Congress? What are the TMC's views on the Third Front?
Even the Indian Railways has done away with the third class and I think it is time for the country to do away with this Third Front. This front is nothing but an alliance of disgruntled bodies and in my view it has absolutely no relevance.
Re: Fantastic!
by Kamal on Mar 30, 2009 06:45 PM
Even before Indian Family Planning Authorities were limiting and sponsoring for two children norm discarding the earlier three children norm per family.
