Chennai is called Detriot of India. It is happenned in one day. Before 1996 it is not that much known for car industry in India. But after starting with 2000 Cr investment last year Chennai got 35000 cr investment in automobile sectors. It houses multinational companies like Hyundai, Mitsubisi, BMW, I can't name all. Indian economy is booming, in future a major part of population will have car like western countries, that day is not far, so all MNC car companies are jumping here. One automobile industry will bring others-Examples are Chennai, Pune. Nobody is coming eastern region, Bengal Govt. persued Tata and brought him, but we just threw him out. Actually we Bengalies don't know what is economic development, we are not in that state that we will realise what is the impact of Tata exit. That is why Sudip you are writing Mamata saved 1500 Cr money for Bengal. Forget about CPM and Mamata, please write me in this 21st century how one country or state will be developed.
I am giving your all answers one by one. But please don't think that I am supporting Govt. Total land 997 acre, out of 297 acre for ancilliary units, rest for main plant run by tata. Govt. leased rest land to Tata and sold 297 acre to several anciliary units (around 55 units) such as Bosch, Rayerson, Caparo etc. ( I can't gove all names). These units already started to construct their factory. What are meaning of these anciliary units. These units will produce several components of Nano. This is the tradition of automobile industry.Several components mean one unit will make wheel, another will make brakes, others will make doors, windos and so on. As price of the car is just 1 lakh, so its anciliary units must be connected to the main plants, if not carrying cost will be there and car price will be more. That is why Tata made this concept. But Mamata is telling that there will be shopping mall, beauti parler, Golf course etc. etc- alll nonsense. If you go to Chennai area, Pune you will see similar kind of automobile industries what I have seen. In 1996 after open policy Hyundai just started with investment of 2000 Cr in , now you can see big big car companies have plants there, to cater those mother plants lot of anciliary units have come up. Now 25000 people are involed in that industry. If you go there and ask local people they will tell what was that area before 1996 and now what is the present situation. Sudip, you don't understand what Bengal lost by throwing Nano.
Re: To Sudip
by sudip duttagupta on Mar 26, 2009 10:31 AM
Biplab Let me tell you,the figures given by Nirupom sen was there would be only 30 anciliery units.So where did you get the figure 55 from?Did Nirupom Sen gave a fraddulent figure in that case? Let me tell you one more thing.The Govt said that there would 70 acres of land given for sousing complexes for Tata officers.10 acrres for beautification .So out of 70 acres,is there any garuntee that Tatas would have not built shopping malls and beauty parlours for the officers? Let me also tell you,in Pune also Tatas have anciliery units seperate from the main project.In singur there was land shown just opposite to the road where the land was not so fertile and could have used by anciliery units.If Tata could have scrapped Singur and made a loss of 1500 crores(As said by Mr Ratan tata ina press conference)didn't he make a loss which may affect his costing of the car/If he can afford a loss of 1500 crores and go away why couldn't he afford much lesser cost involvement where anciliery units could have been shifted a little bit?
You have also not answered my question of how much money these lands were sold to the anciliery units.Neverteless,I liked your apporoach.Atleast you tried to talk some sense.Not like others.
Re: Re: To Sudip
by sudip duttagupta on Mar 26, 2009 06:51 PM
Biplab,I would also like to tell you,Bengal actually got saved from aburden of Rs 1500 crores.As it is you must be aware today a child born has a debt of Rs 17000 on his head.This Govt is under huge Debt.Do you really thinnk we can afford to spend public money like this to generate maybe 2000 - 3000 employment where we could do that easily by trying to open up the closed units by involving lesser amount of money and generate more employment?
I made some quesrries.How many anciliery units were supposed to come(Exact figure).What are their names?What are their products?How much money did they pay to the Tatas for buying the land at Singur?
No answer till now.People saying against Mamata,please have some figures ready before you speak.(you cannot give me the answers beccause Tatas never wanted these details to be relebvealed as they were actually into business of land).
Last week Mr Karat confessed that this time CPM will get lesser seats in WB.If the people of WB would have cursed Mamata for the Nano issue,would they habe voted for Mamata?Why then Mamata's seat will increase?His earlier statement proved that People of WB has now understood how Hypocrite this party can be.They havce also understaood what Tatas exactly wanted to do at Singur.(They just wanted to do Dalali of Land).Mamamat opposed that and saved the people of the state from a burden of Rs 1500 crores.That is the reason Mamata will increase her seats(Its alreday proved at Singur panchayet elections,Zila parishad,Nandigram and Bishnupur).People have understood the hypocrecy of CPM.
Re: Karat is on his way once again.
by Biplab on Mar 25, 2009 05:07 PM
We must go for BJP. Mamata is not a solution for Bengal. If CPM is Hitlar, Mamata is Fascist.
Re: Re: Karat is on his way once again.
by sudip duttagupta on Mar 25, 2009 06:26 PM
Biplab By now everyone have understood how the tatas wanted to get the land a nominal price(The burden would have been on the common man of Rs 1500 crores) and then sell it to the anciliery units at a huge profit.Mamata stopped that and saaved the common men from a burden of Rs 1500 crores.Why commen man would pay money(in form of increased tax) and give subsidy for the Tatas to do business of Land?Mamata stopped that and there lies the real caause of CPM's anger.The voters have also started to understand that.I hope you would understand this too shortly.
CPM party policy of industrialization: Threaten farmers to abandon their land. If they dont agree, massacre them. Grab land and sell to capitalists. Pocket the cash.
The only crime Mamata committed is that she opposed CPM policy.
The only crime the people of Bengal are doing that they demand freedom from CPMs fascist regime.
CPM is afraid of the seta arrangements between TMC and INC and are talking illogical.Can anyone ghere name how many anciliery units Tatas had asked for their singur plant(The exact number?).What are their names?What would have been their products?
These data are kept secret because Tatas were actually into land busines.They tried to get huge subsidy from the Govt and seel those lands to the ancilieries at a huge profit.The people of Singur as well as the state have now understood it and is making Mamata win everywhere(Panchayet,Zila parishad,Nandigram,Bishnupur).INC also is helping them to increase the margin.CPM is getting very nervous now.
I am looking for those Data from the mebres on this board.
Re: CPM is now talking baseless
by Vikas on Mar 25, 2009 01:34 PM
Exactly. Last week CPM secretary Prakash Carrot confessed that CPM will get less seats this time.
Even though he is sitting in Delhi, he has realized the ground situation in bengal.
It is one of the rare occasions when I have to agree with Biman Bose's statement , because what he stated is stark reality . It is unfortunate that Congress took Mamata's side in the coming Lok sabha election ,(presumably at the instance of Sonia Gandhi), but Mamata's blunder remains unpardonable nonetheless. No right thinking progressive minded person in West Bengal cannot support Mamata's stand which did not do any good to West Bengal in the least , but put a question mark on the prudence of Bengal's intelligencia whose support , Trinamul is expecting to get in the coming election .
Re: People of West Bengal will not forgive Mamata
by Vikas on Mar 25, 2009 01:34 PM
CPM party policy of industrialization: Threaten farmers to abandon their land. If they dont agree, massacre them. Grab land and sell to capitalists. Pocket the cash.
The only crime Mamata committed is that she opposed CPM policy.
The only crime the people of Bengal are doing that they demand freedom from CPMs fascist regime.
Re: People of West Bengal will not forgive Mamata
by sudip duttagupta on Mar 25, 2009 01:10 PM
Mr Mukerji Can you tell me how many anciliery units actualy was to be set up at singur?Can you tell me their names?Can you tell me their products in brief? Tata actually sold the land to these anciliery units at a huge profit and actually wanted to do land business there.Mamata hit the right pont saying 600 acres can be given for factory(Tata had their anciliery unnits seperate at their Pune plant also).Tata's plan of making profit from land was a flop.Can Biman Bose give the data that how much money these lands were sold to these anciliery units?Can he name them anciliery units?
Actually Mamata have saved the people of Bengal from Public's money from being looted.Tata was planning to make profit from land business with public money(with the help of this Hypocrite Govt).The people of Bengal have understood this now(That is the reason Mamata got huge win at Singur Panchayet elections),she won Nandigram and Bishnupur by a huge margin.Congress allied with TMC will now uprot CPM from WB.They are afraid now and that is the reson they are howling.
Re: Editor please correct the statement
by R Balasubramanian on Mar 25, 2009 12:43 PM
here rollout means the car coming out of the Mumbai factory instead of Singur factory.This is the beauty of english languages.
