What is the government suppose to do when the plane was hijacked from a foreign country (Nepal) and taken to a country (Afghanistan) ruled by the Taliban. And not to mention 150 Indian lives at stake.
It wasn't like that terrorists were sitting in a plane in Mumbai.
Yes, this was a difficult decision but the correct one.
Re: PC
by Suraksha on Apr 16, 2009 12:27 AM
Jai Hind
The facts in your post are not right. You can try a wikipedia search on Flight 814. The terrorists released went on to commit some of the ghastly crimes in history including the infamous Daniel Pearl murder and attack on Parliament.
I cannot see the justification of decision here. Unfortunately for BJP, seemingly it was Advani in charge and he has a very very tough sell.
BJP's choice of PM candidate is unfortunate. I wish they had someone better at helm. To have any fair chances, he has to be a moderate like Vajpayee. Sushma Swaraj to me has got a wider appeal.
Re: Re: PC
by Observer on Apr 16, 2009 12:59 AM
If govt decision on Kandahar was wrong, and Congress knew what was right, why didn't Congress tell it at that time? Why did Congress take a stand supporting the govt decision? Was Congress only interested in playing politics 9 years later? Did everything, including Parliamentary attack, go as per Congress plan?
Re: Re: Re: PC
by Suraksha on Apr 16, 2009 01:28 AM
Observer I am trying to comprehend your point. I never mentioned anything FOR or AGAINST Congress here. Neither did I imply that the Kandahar episode initiated terrorism.
The issue here is not BJP or Congress. It is me and you- the common citizen. I do not find Advani a convincing candidate. He has displayed integrity that is fragile, oppurtunism and disregard for consequences. I find that scary. He has to convince really hard, why he will be trusted.
Beleive me, facts speak louder than words. I sincerly wish BJP had a better PM candidate. I am not fan of MMS or the "Royal Dynasty".
Re: Re: Re: Re: PC
by Observer on Apr 16, 2009 02:27 AM
I differ. I saw more fragile response against terrorism in last five years that scare me. UPA was hell bent on rejecting BJP's every reasonable advice that scare me. 26/11 forced UPA govt to do atleast something which BJP was always asking for.
NDA was not expected to get rid of deep rooted terrorism overnight. But we saw a decline in terrorism by 2002-2003 after a series of systematic measures by NDA led by Advani. Even pseudo-secular media were saying that terrorists dreaded Advani.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PC
by Suraksha on Apr 16, 2009 07:51 PM
Observer We can agree to disagree.
Factually, as you will see..Advani will have to really work hard to convince people for their votes to him. BJP seems currently all dazed and confused and is not sending a very clear and focused signal.
Personally, I liked their manifesto better than Congress for national security and a plan to get India build its esteem and self relaincy. But Advani is a weak link. He may have the people, and may have been hawkish at one point..but today his image is in shambles.
The Jinnah episode - was not incorrect. He was trying to play moderate to win over larger hearts in the region. But he badly mistimed it. He is always in a rush. It would be a completely different scenario if he had said that as a PM.
Anyway, politics is also about hearing what people want...as Obama showed. Advani tried a cheap gimmick of that. He opened a website to listen, but has ended up being preachy. ....
Re: Re: PC
by Observer on Apr 16, 2009 12:50 AM
Kandahar did not creat terrorism, it was already existing from Congress days in power. Terrorism was created long back when Congress was in absolute power.
Kandahar was a just a step back considering the situation at that time, and the govt decision was supported by the entire nation including Congress. This can not be an excuse for Congress to abondon fight against terrorism and to blame its failures on Kandahar episode. It can not wash away 1000 sins of Congress.
And do you understand the consequences of 1962 fiasco, releasing of 90,000 Paki soldiers in 1971 war without getting anything in return - even Bangla Desh doesn't listen to us today? NDA govt did not get too much involved in past mistakes, instead focussed on governence. What is UPA doing?
Re: Re: PC
by Observer on Apr 16, 2009 12:52 AM
By the way did you try wikipedia or any kind of search on terrorism? You will learn a lot about pre-Kandahar terrorism.
Re: PC
by Loan Shark on Apr 16, 2009 12:03 AM
not mumbai, but they were on ground in amritsar ... yes, in amritsar, near pak border, where the best of army and commondoes are within easy reach.
Then BJP leadership had this wonderful idea to let the plane refuel so it can fly away
Re: Re: PC
by Indian Indian on Apr 16, 2009 01:41 AM
It doesn't cost you anything so keep ranting, with so many terrorists with guns on board storming the plane could have been a disaster...Be it any govt. it would have had the same fate, problem is what they did after all those attacked they did work on internal security, Air Marshals started flying in the planes & what UPA did first scrap anti- terror laws, than sit & watch TV, they did not have will to fight terror as they were afraid they would loose 'Miyaan" votes..
HT political bureau, Hindustan Times Email Author New Delhi, January 22, 2009 First Published: 00:20 IST(22/1/2009) Last Updated: 00:26 IST(22/1/2009)
Home Minister P Chidamabaram on Wednesday said he too might have done what the BJP-led NDA did during the IC-814 hijacking and it was not easy to predict how a decision-maker would behave in a certain situation.
“It is easy to criticise, but difficult to take decisions,” he said at a function in the capital, asked whether the government would adopt a “no negotiation policy” with terrorists.
“I can’t say. I really can’t say. How would I have behaved if families of 150 people came to me and pleaded for the lives of their loved ones,” the home minister said. The decision of the then NDA government to release terrorists in exchange of passengers of the hijacked IC-184 plane remains a point of criticism for the ruling Congress to which Chidamabaram belongs.
“If one takes ten decisions, one or two may go wrong. Show me a man who has not taken a wrong decision and I will show you a man who has taken no decision ever,” Chidambaram said.
Chidambaram said as home minister he had resolved to take decisions unmindful of what others felt or said. “I have been 50 days in the office. There is another 100 days to go for this government. I do not look over my shoulder time
Re: IC-814 hijack: Home Minister defended NDA in Delhi
by Loan Shark on Apr 16, 2009 12:06 AM
the hijacked plane was on ground in amritsar where commondo action could have saved hostages (and lost a few) and then arrested the hijackers
Then BJP leadership had this wonderful idea to let the plane refuel so it can fly away
200 Indian lives were saved in Kandahar while more then200 Indian lives were lost in Mumbai. Also the NDA was forced to release 3 terrorist to save 200 Indian life whereas the UPA released 3 terrorists to free Mehbooba Mufti ( a Paki by heart). There are not enough intelligent people in the BJP to counter argue Kandahar incident in this way. Even now the Congress is trying to shield Afzal Guru and Kasab. Of course the biased media favours the Congress
More then 1000 people died and 17 explosions & terrorism (Mumbai attack) in UPA period- Answer from congress-Kandhar flight Inflation rises to 12.50%- kandhahar flight Why the govt is too week- kandhahar flight
The difference between Kandhar and Rubia Sayeed is only one in Kandhar compromise hundreds of commoners lives were involved while in the other a single VIP.I am afraid what would have been the language of the SYCOPHANTS if in the kandhar flight Rahul Gandhi our the Vaderas would have been there. BJP need not go on defensive on Kandhar issue. Can you compare the qualitative difference in Indian scenario if impotent people like Shivraj Patil Manmohan etc are replaced by Modi Advani Arun Jaitly Sushma Swaraj are at the helm. UPA have to thrown out.
Re: IPL can wait On Mar 22, 2009 10:07 PM Permalink
Elections are a joke; murderers, kidnappers, extortionists, r_apists, d_rug smugglers, defenders of terrorists, and foot-kissers of the Congress's raj parivar...is it really all that important?
Re: Re: ELECTIONS, A JOKE
by Amar Singh on Apr 16, 2009 01:28 PM
Yeah, so what if one Congressi killed his wife and burnt it in a tandoor to hide his crime? Does that mean all Congress are wife "tandoor murderers"?
Re: Re: chidu & mms losing dignity by Amar Singh on Apr 15, 2009 08:46 PM Permalink
You are a convenient liar. The whole Kashmir issue started with that dim-wit (humne dekha hai, hum jeetenge ya loosengay!) called Rajiv Gandhi, who ousted an elected Farooq Abdullah, because he could not stomach a non-congress government, or a government that did not have any truck with the Congress. LISTEN MISTER, and I am addressing you as MISTER, you have been peddling your half-truth and lies right thru this discussion. Farooq Abdullah was hounded, physically pushed around in city after city by Congress goons, as he went around seeking support from the opposition to have his government re-installed. Kashmiris were closely bonded with the Abdullah family, because they reflected the love-hate relationship of Kashmiris with the rest of India. When Dr. Farooq Abdullah finally threw in the towel, and went over to the Congress on their terms, the Kashmiris regarded it as a sell-out, a betrayal. THAT's when the rage of Kashmiris was translated into terrorism.
Listen, you STUPID HALF-WIT, I have not bothered to address your inane remarks. Now please go home, and stay quiet.
After 26/11 UPA govt took many steps -though reluctantly - which BJP had been demanding for quite long inlcuding POTA like laws. If Chidambaram is following Advani's footsteps, he should not try to act oversmart. We know that Advani/BJP, though in opposition, were right in the first place, while Congress led UPA govt failed miserably.
And what was Chidambaram doing when Congress govt provided free passage to five terrorists from Chara-e-sharif in JK? He should be honest to atleast his own stand.
Re: Was it right to move the IPL out of India? On Mar 22, 2009 10:33 PM Permalink
Bhole prasad, money is even now being "used" for development programmes, several thousand crores for NREG and a whole cocktail soup of acronyms. And 26/11 has given the Congress an open licence to "INVEST" in security equipment, material, gadgets, vehicles, expensive communication systems...so how much of this IPL money would have honestly gone to the poor!?!?!
(Addendum: The Congress junks India's missile program, and just days before the election enters into a Rs.10,000crore contract with Israel for the supply of missiles, which are less capable than what even India has produced. Oh, yes, the contract has an OFFICIAL 6% BUSINESS EXPENSES CLAUSE. Let's see: Just before the elections...hmmm 6% of 10,000 is Rs.600 crores that is officially...what about un- officially...hmmm
Contract signed by a government "led" by that man of integrity, honest, upright, cultured, soft-spoken (let's ignore the shrill tone he is now resorting to) "Prime Minister" of India.
Happy To Say This On Dec 15, 2008 04:31 PM Permalink
MMS, the 'Prime Minister' of India should be declared the Man of the Match. He's been playing so well, screwing up India, doing a better job than even Pakistan would have thought of.
On second thoughts, it should be Woman of the Match, Sonia Gandhi, the Puppetteer, with no commitment to this country, except to see what she, her parents family, and her children can bag out of this.
