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Henry cook
Its right to Drop Ponting
by Henry cook on Feb 23, 2012 06:56 AM  | Hide replies

Last 5 years the Test averages of Pointing is worth him to be dropped from the worlds best team.

some facts below, source criketweb website

POntings yearwise batting averages from 2007 to 2011 are 31, 37, 38, 47 and 38.
Sachins year wise batting averages from 2007 to 2011 are as 55,48, 67, 75, 48.




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Ramesh bharat
Re: Its right to Drop Ponting
by Ramesh bharat on Feb 23, 2012 08:23 AM
Pontings value to the team is greater than SRT.. int his very series itself he is playd 3 crucial innings.. without him the match wudve turned differentyl.. scoring all runs when the team is 20/4 or 30/3 etc..without him clarke wudnt have scored 300.. lets geive credit where it is due.. SRT requires great start from opener or dravid to steady the innings..he is the sort who plays well when the score is 120/2 not when its 30/3 and putting us in a winning position

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NIFTY
Re: Re: Its right to Drop Ponting
by NIFTY on Feb 24, 2012 04:53 PM
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ASHISH KUMAR
Re: Re: Its right to Drop Ponting
by ASHISH KUMAR on Feb 25, 2012 02:19 PM
what u say mr ramesh applies to medicore player like dhoni & not legend sachin.
Any knowledgable cricket fan knows that all ponting, sachin, dravid etc are world class player while dhoni is simply a medicore player surviving on politics & manipulation

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Demons
Re: Its right to Drop Ponting
by Demons on Feb 25, 2012 01:43 PM
Viru's avg. on 2011,

at home Indoors :

218.00

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kumar
Sachin is great. No doubt about it.
by kumar on Feb 23, 2012 04:04 AM  | Hide replies

Sachin is great and there is no doubt about it. Unfortunately lot of his great innings went unnoticed because of the following

1)Bowling: India never had good fast bowlers like Australia. In tests, bowlers need to take 20 wickets. Sachin purely a batsman

2) Fielding: Indian fielding standards are no way close to Australian fielding. Outstanding Fielding will always put too much pressure on batsman. Its like Sachin scoring 20 against Australia is equivalent to Pointing scoring 50 against India.

3) Supporting Batsman: Sachin was not supported/shielded by batsman like ponting. Look at the batting line which Ponting has and look at indian batting line up. There is clearly a big gap.

4) help of Tailenders in fininshing matches: This where Sachin had big issues compared to Ponting. Look at india pakistahan match. After Sachin was out, india is supposed to score only 20 runs and they have 3 wickets in hand. But indians folded away and sachin didn;t get the credit that he was due for.

Look at consistency level. Sachin is almost consistent in almost all the series and all the years whereas Ponting is not.

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Ravi Iyer
Re: Sachin is great. No doubt about it.
by Ravi Iyer on Feb 23, 2012 06:01 AM
Lara is greater than Sachin. Played for a poored team and scored single handedly. Retired when he had 2-3 yrs of cricket left and was 47 runs short of 12 K runs in tests and Sachin was 1 k behind. He did not continue to play for records although he could have given that WI has no young budding talents waiting unlike India has. Yet Sachin will continue to hold his place and block the careers of many a youngster - all for a record 100th ton! That's the diff between Sachin and others.

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Ravi Iyer
Re: Re: Sachin is great. No doubt about it.
by Ravi Iyer on Feb 23, 2012 06:01 AM
* poorer team

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ASHISH KUMAR
Re: Re: Sachin is great. No doubt about it.
by ASHISH KUMAR on Feb 25, 2012 02:21 PM
u must be fan of tal;ented younsgter like raina & jadeja- good for nothing.
Player like raina/dhoni/jadeja blocks youngster & not super talented & performing player like sachin ( who care for one series failure)

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Ramesh bharat
Re: Sachin is great. No doubt about it.
by Ramesh bharat on Feb 23, 2012 08:19 AM
Lara , laxman , Dravid , Steve waugh did not depend on taileneder to finsih the job for theri teams..they chose to stay , guide the tail enders and finish the job.. this is always a lame excuse given by SRT fans.. Didnt laxman stay till the end and see us off against Aus in mumbai.. he did not get out with 20 runs remaining and leaving the responsibiltiy to the tail

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Truth
Re: Sachin is great. No doubt about it.
by Truth on Feb 23, 2012 10:03 AM
bakwas band kar..u dont know any thing...india have best batting line up in world cricket history..in past 10 years top 6 batsman averaging in the range of 45-55 Sehwag, Gambhir, Ganguly, Dravid, Sachin, Lkashman and Dhoni...(their average dropped only in last few test) in his 22 year wastage career how many times Sachin score twin century in single test. Forget about match winning knock, how many time he forced to draw a test like ponting (154 not out in hedingley) or mike Atherton 185 not out in port Elizabeth vs SA. Ponting scored 2 centuries in his 100th test and won match for aus. He is a captain of world champion. He got same batting line up like Sachin infact less only heyden was averaging 50. There is no comparison betn Lara and Sachin..Lara has given 50 plus contribution on no of occasion towards total inning. Sachin scores century when there r many batsman scores heavily in same match barring one or two small centuries.

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ASHISH KUMAR
Re: Re: Sachin is great. No doubt about it.
by ASHISH KUMAR on Feb 25, 2012 02:23 PM
truth- ur logic applies on avg batsmna like dhoni & not legend like sachin

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Ali M
who is better.. for sure Sachin...........
by Ali M on Feb 22, 2012 06:08 PM  | Hide replies

This is with regards to below question from Sarkar... no doubt Sachin is the best among the others.. Simply because Sachin played for a team like India which could not do anything as a team... SO what Kallis, Lara and Pointing achieved is because of their team support.. Playing for India and scoring that many Runs and against the best bowlers in the world.. its amazing..

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kalai vani
Re: who is better.. for sure Sachin...........
by kalai vani on Feb 22, 2012 07:41 PM
characterwise very pooooooor

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sangeetha murali
Re: who is better.. for sure Sachin...........
by sangeetha murali on Feb 22, 2012 08:20 PM
Absolute trash. Sachin played for India for 22 years is a huge advantage and the returns are very minimal. No captaincy talent, No risky postion play (Tell me if ever Sachin came in at the loss of two wickets for a paltry score and turned the match upside down?). Please put it with artefacts in this forum. Happy to be corrected

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vimalan sadhasivam
Re: Re: who is better.. for sure Sachin...........
by vimalan sadhasivam on Feb 22, 2012 08:28 PM
how old are you kid ?

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Ravi Iyer
Re: Re: Re: who is better.. for sure Sachin...........
by Ravi Iyer on Feb 23, 2012 06:03 AM
i am 5 years old!

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ramakrishnan s
Re: Re: Re: who is better.. for sure Sachin...........
by ramakrishnan s on Feb 24, 2012 11:02 PM
How old is kapil, mate?

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suresh
Re: Re: who is better.. for sure Sachin...........
by suresh on Feb 22, 2012 09:57 PM
I have the same Q on sachin, but even sehwag hasn't played till end, their contribution is unique, example 93 sachin scored during world cup 2003, one of great knocks against wasim,waqar & shoib, he simply took the game away, imagine chasing 270 odd runs against pak in WC, having said that, he is not in same league as lara or kallis when it comes to chasing targets, Lara is the greatest in chasing under pressure targets,

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Shri Hegde
Re: Re: who is better.. for sure Sachin...........
by Shri Hegde on Feb 22, 2012 09:59 PM
you must be one of those girls who likes an actor, cricketer or a politician - because of the looks

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Ravi Iyer
Re: Re: Re: who is better.. for sure Sachin...........
by Ravi Iyer on Feb 23, 2012 06:04 AM
do not make gender based statements just because someone is voicing his / her opinion. We are not better placed to comment just because we are men.

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sandeep singh
Re: Re: who is better.. for sure Sachin...........
by sandeep singh on Feb 22, 2012 11:10 PM
Murali
I think you watch the matches in which Sachin did not perform.
22 years - nobody can play with luck only.
Ponting never retired with so many pressure from media, he was sacked.
Post WC he did not perform or you can say nobody is performing.
Success is gone to Indian head, some player need to sacked or rested, everything will be okay.
I also think , he should retire.
Also ali
Only ponting got team or Kallis to some extent. Lara & Sachin got junk otherwise Lara & Sachin are best player to watch.

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Ramesh bharat
Re: Re: Re: who is better.. for sure Sachin...........
by Ramesh bharat on Feb 23, 2012 08:50 AM
Agree with Murali.. SRT's failure as captain , refusing to take up responsibility, refusing to give up opening slot on ondedays, when dravid is walsy there to sacrifice , by opening in tests, wicket keeping etc, refusing to deliver under pressure.....etc etc doesnt make him the greatest ever..

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rajendra singh
Re: Re: Re: who is better.. for sure Sachin...........
by rajendra singh on Feb 25, 2012 02:34 PM
Please think positive do positive

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Hari Vidhyadharan
Re: Re: Re: Re: who is better.. for sure Sachin...........
by Hari Vidhyadharan on Feb 26, 2012 09:27 PM
SRT fans should check the no of times his centuries had led to an indian victory. it is really a poor below35%. Compare it to Ponting, Lara and the rest and u will realise who are the great players. By the way he scored 2 centuries in India's world cup victory --both matches India did not win. That was his contribution.

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suresh balar
Ricky - Freaky
by suresh balar on Feb 22, 2012 03:45 PM  | Hide replies

Even though Punter is so popular for his arrogance and Egoist character... to his

Achievements
Records
Contribution to the World Cricket
Entertainment
Pride to his country

Cricket Australia must have given much more respectful farewell to this man

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KOTIMAAR
Re: Ricky - Freaky
by KOTIMAAR on Feb 22, 2012 04:08 PM
baara ta tor....

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sarkar
Who is best batsman?
by sarkar on Feb 22, 2012 01:16 PM  | Hide replies

Please tell who is best batsman and why. Sachin, Lara, Ponting and Kallis.

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veerapuram dharan
Re: Who is best batsman?
by veerapuram dharan on Feb 22, 2012 01:26 PM
sarkar, nothing much separates these fab 4. just be cause sachin scored few thousand runs and few centuries more than the other three doesnt mean that hes the greatest..if there is any way to convert kallis number of wickets into runs, he would be way ahead of sachin..

this is what my impression.

1. who is the master of big centuries and attacking batting?

its lara

2. who is the allrounder?

kallis

3. who has the most centuries and runs?

sachin

4. who has to take the burden of captaining his side to two world cups and also score consistently like sachin?

ricky..

and finally, who is the best batsman?

its the DON...

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Rohit Gupta
Re: Re: Who is best batsman?
by Rohit Gupta on Feb 22, 2012 03:50 PM
My Views:
1. Master of Big Centuries: Lara
2. Attacking Batsman: Lara
3. Most Centuries: Sachin
4. Most Runs: Sachin
5. Most Consistant: Sachin
6. Technically Most Sound: Sachin
7. Best Against Fast Bowlers: Ponting
8. Best Temprament: Kallis and Ponting
9. Most Winning Knocks: Ponting
10. Best Against Spin Bowler: Sachin
11. Best in Spin friendly Pitches: lara
12. Best in fast bowler friendly pitches: Ponting and Kallis
13. Best in ODI Cricket: Sachin
14. Man with mush more pressure than anyone else but still performing better then anyone else: Sachin
15. Best Strike rate in ODI cricket: Sachin

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Nandu Indian
Re: Re: Re: Who is best batsman?
by Nandu Indian on Feb 22, 2012 03:55 PM
most consistent- sachin? are you out of your mind?

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yaar dost
Re: Re: Re: Who is best batsman?
by yaar dost on Feb 22, 2012 09:54 PM
You need more observation against Sachin....

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NIFTY
Re: Re: Re: Who is best batsman?
by NIFTY on Feb 24, 2012 05:02 PM
richards, gavaskar, mohindeder amarnath, vishunath, dravid, donbradman and many others kiya jhak maar rahe are not they great

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vasanth m
Re: Who is best batsman?
by vasanth m on Feb 22, 2012 03:46 PM
why not Gilchrist (unanimously voted as the most dangerous batsmen)???
and also Hussey (mr dependable), Hayden ....and list is too big...

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Kutty
Re: Re: Who is best batsman?
by Kutty on Feb 22, 2012 06:48 PM
@Vasanth: It is illogical to compare these 2 type of batsmen since their way of batting is totally different. Sachin, Kallis, Ponting, Lara can make big scores. But the batsmen like Gilchrist, Sehwag, Jayasurya, Gayle are total match destroyers. If they click, it is a different story! If they dont click, the other batsmen can still do well, but not the normal way.

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Sethu
Good Records - both captaincy and batting
by Sethu on Feb 22, 2012 01:10 PM

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Sethu
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by Sethu on Feb 22, 2012 01:09 PM

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Sethu
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by Sethu on Feb 22, 2012 01:09 PM

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Bhartend Sood
Ponting and sachin are the characters in contrast
by Bhartend Sood on Feb 22, 2012 12:55 PM  | Hide replies

Ponting and schin are the characters in contrast. One so pure hearted with no ego and arrogance other looks to media icon. That's why ponting achieved what sachin couldn't and this respect of every body beyond his country's boundry.

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veerapuram dharan
Re: Ponting and sachin are the characters in contrast
by veerapuram dharan on Feb 22, 2012 01:11 PM
well, if talk about individual records, theres not much separation between them..may be just a few thousand runs in either forms..but that doesnt mean that sachin is the greatest kinda bla bla..both are at the same level..but if u take ponting's WCs, then sachin cant do much about it since ponting had great team like gilly, hayden, mcgrath, warne, martyn, symo etc...so a comparison should be made based on individual records and not by the number of cups won..

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