Dhoni as a batsman Test Avg over all 37.0, Test avg overseas 28.0, No overseas century or match winning inning in test carrer even after playing 61 test. T-20 intnl avg- 25, Strike rate- 105, No fifty or match winning inning in entirer career even after playing 27 matches ODI- Good avg manipulated due to no. of not out innings & manipulative batting position. Even in ODI most runs scored on flat indian wicket against team like Pak/SLK & no overseas century. As a wicketkeeper- Dropped catches in almost every match.
Dhoni test average outside In WI 2006, 24 In SA 2006, 26 In AUS 2007, 17.62 In SA 2011, 35.8 ( one inning of 90 when styen/morkel was kept out of attack for 2-3 hrs) In WI 2011- 19.5 ( score of 0,16,2, 5 & 74(only one good inning when WI was operating with bowlers like bishoo/chandrapaul & front line bowler rampaul/shammi etc was resting due to injury). In Eng 2011- 30.0 In Aus 2012- 20.0 As a captain good record only on indian pitches. Overseas he has lost more test matches(09) than what he won(05)
Re: most useless batsman
by Mayank Singh on Feb 15, 2012 11:56 PM
Useless fellow what u have done in your life....No one is going to verfy your stats ...
Dhoni as a batsman Test Avg over all 37.0, Test avg overseas 28.0, No overseas century or match winning inning in test carrer even after playing 61 test. T-20 intnl avg- 25, Strike rate- 105, No fifty or match winning inning in entirer career even after playing 27 matches ODI- Good avg manipulated due to no. of not out innings & manipulative batting position. Even in ODI most runs scored on flat indian wicket against team like Pak/SLK & no overseas century. As a wicketkeeper- Dropped catches in almost every match.
Dhoni test average outside In WI 2006, 24 In SA 2006, 26 In AUS 2007, 17.62 In SA 2011, 35.8 ( one inning of 90 when styen/morkel was kept out of attack for 2-3 hrs) In WI 2011- 19.5 ( score of 0,16,2, 5 & 74(only one good inning when WI was operating with bowlers like bishoo/chandrapaul & front line bowler rampaul/shammi etc was resting due to injury). In Eng 2011- 30.0 In Aus 2012- 20.0 As a captain good record only on indian pitches. Overseas he has lost more test matches(09) than what he won(05)
dhoni the most useless player team hs ever seen oversees. even bowlers bat better thn him. he is in team jst bcz of captaincy, the day captaincy wl go, dhoni wl be kicked out in next series. useless fellow always bats in asia.Dhoni n bowlers batting average outside subcontinent In WI 2006, 24, kumble 26.6 In AUS 2007, 17.62, kumble 30, harbhajan 23 In WI 2011, 19.4, harbhajan 24.5 In Aus 2012, 20 , ashwin 32.6
EVEN BOWLERS HAVE PERFORMED BETTER THAN USELESS DHONI. NO CENTURY IN 7 YEARS OVERSEES AFTER PLAYING MORE THAN 100 INNINGS.
Re: Most useless test player
by abcd abcd on Feb 16, 2012 12:06 AM
it is not easy to get centuries at number 6..but it is extremely important to be a good finisher at number 6...that's what dhoni does...yes all the stats are true..still dhoni is important..accept it.
Can anyone kindly give statistics for Tendulkar, I mean in how many matches he scored well, India registered victory in ODIs (it does not matter if was not the finisher in the match)? Only genuine statistical figures please.
Re: What makes Dhoni the best finisher in ODIs
by ASHISH KUMAR on Feb 15, 2012 10:15 PM
whats great in being not out. In ODI if u bat at no.7 & selfishly bat like dhoni- alwayas u acn be not out. Just to boost his avg. In test his avg is very poort, T-20 his strike rate very poor as he can't be not out there & do manipulation like ODI How u suppose opener to be not out. Its strange
Re: Re: What makes Dhoni the best finisher in ODIs
by Anand YNI on Feb 15, 2012 10:23 PM
Please read my question again and answer if you know the statistics. I could not care whether Tendulkar was out or not out.
Re: Re: Re: What makes Dhoni the best finisher in ODIs
by Desi on Feb 16, 2012 12:04 AM
I am not sure if you can draw conclusions based on what you have asked. Unless Tendulkar bats out 50 overs - automatically scores well - Indian wins. Not sure if there is a single match he has batted for 50 overs without getting out.
Also EVEN if Sachin bats well and there are middle order collapses, team INDIA will LOSE. We need atleast 3-4 batsmen and 2-3 bowlers to fire and fire well, in a game for the team to win. If you look at the Aussie team during the past few years they consistently had 6-7 players firing on all cylinders besides being the best fielders.
So to apportion blame on Tendulkar solely for India losing is not correct. You need good bowlers, fielders and batting partnerships to deliver results.
Re: What makes Dhoni the best finisher in ODIs
by ASHISH KUMAR on Feb 15, 2012 10:20 PM
68 MOM in ODI- a world record for sachin. Even fool can undersatan that he has won more matches than anyone elese in history of cricket. Also openers are not supposed to be finishers
Re: What makes Dhoni the best finisher in ODIs
by Raj on Feb 16, 2012 01:47 AM
Sachin was great then...but now he is a Loser... His career is just like Kapil... Good when young and playing for record int he end...
Re: Re: What makes Dhoni the best finisher in ODIs
by sonu on Feb 16, 2012 10:27 AM
raj, sachin hs 99 . hw many hv even 75 ? plz answer, i m waiting for ur reply :)
Ghambir Sachin Jadeja(Allrounder-Spinner) Virat Rohit Dhoni Ashwin(Bowling Allrounder-Spinner) Irfan(Bowling Allrounder-Swing bowler) Praveen(Right hand Swing/Clever Bowler) Zaheer(Leftarm bowler) Umesh(Right Arm fast bowler)
1)Lot of variation in bowling. 2)5 Specialist bowler and an allrounder. 3)If one of the bowlers has off day,other can be handy. 4)Batting depth is ok.But can't help it.to get one we have to sacrifice one.If india has perfect fast bowling allrounder,this problem would have been solved. 5)Above average feilding unit with many youngsters.. 6)depending on situations following shd be brought Boncy pitches.. Include rahul sharma for praveen Flat pitches.. Sehwag and raina for sachin and praveen swing pitches same team indian pitches: Sehwag and raina for sachin and praveen Fast bowling pitches: Fastbowler who can bowl at 145-150(yet to find - can be Varun Aoron),Sehwag in place of irfan,Jadeja Spin pitches: Rahul sharma,sehwag in place of Umesh and praveen
Jadeja is not good finisher... he can steal singles well than hitting fours/sixers... so he shd b in as 3rd batsman...
Re: Re: Best team/best batting order
by Jiju on Feb 15, 2012 10:16 PM
5th person his Arvind's list is MSD man..... Which other Dhoni were u speaking abt?
Re: Re: Best team/best batting order
by Aravind sai on Feb 15, 2012 10:38 PM
hey 6th person in the above team is dhoni yaar... He is best wicketkeeper batsman at present for india... I am talking about ODI team... If it comes to test team.. Still india need to find a better keeperbatsman than dhoni... Dinesh karthik is bits and peices player.. can't reply on this batting.. same with parthiv... need to see Wriddiman saha,naman ojha how well they can bat... I have doubt on naman ojha's wicketkeeping skills..
Dhoni PR man on job Paid article with no sense. To comapre medicore dhoni (who plays 1 or 2 good inning in a year) with great like gilcrist ius insult of cricket
Dhoni crawled against Australia. Despite the six, his strike rate was poor.He failed completely against Sri lanka. Could not score 9 runs against Malinga. Took singles in last over when big hits were required. He did not even attempt a six on the last ball
