Dhoni stands by his decision to rotate the openers. It is a great decision but he should do so with the middle orser too (Kohli, Raina and Manoj Tiwary).
There is no harm to take the game to the wire as long as you are winning but I would still prefer to see that the game is finished as soon as it is possible. But then every one has its own way of looking at things and people on field knows their job better.
Re: No need to allow pressure to mount
by Varun on Feb 15, 2012 10:24 PM
You mean the issue is that audience felt the pressure ? Well what can be done about it. If the players on the ground thought they can do it, i'd rather trust their decision than the whim and fancy of the audience.
Re: What?
by Ramesh bharat on Feb 15, 2012 07:18 PM
as a middle order batsman , tendulkar averages 29 in 52 matches while chasing and an overall avergae 0f 35 ... so dhoni is special..
Re: Re: What?
by naveen dhanerwal on Feb 16, 2012 08:24 AM
chasing avg 35 is bad for an opener? It's even good for anyone who opens the innings, be it 1st innings or 2nd! Dhoni comes at #6 or #7 so his chanses being not out are very high so and that's the reason behind his high avgs. Ok, I won't say he isn't a good finisher, of course he is but now he's failing to to hit big shots. If you make a survey, then most of captains or player will agree what Gambhir is saying about finishing the game 1-2 over early. Because if it gets that close it's anybody's game and that's what happened against Srilanka! We should have won that game!
Re: What?
by Ramesh bharat on Feb 15, 2012 07:04 PM
Have u seen SRT finish off inning like dhoni when he played in middle order?..i distinctly remember in 97 sharjah he cud not score 30 runs in six overs against england and got out to a 34 year debutant called matthew fleming
Re: Re: What?
by Charlie Schembri on Feb 15, 2012 08:40 PM
You're right, Dhoni is exceptional finisher and no doubt about that.
But the question is to stretch the game unnecesorily to the last over and slog it out then to win it is not the smartest thing to do. Sixes can't be hit at will..
Re: What?
by Ramesh bharat on Feb 15, 2012 07:04 PM
Have u seen SRT finish off inning like dhoni when he played in middle order?..i distinctly remember in 97 sharjah he cud not score 30 runs in six overs against england and got out to a 34 year debutant called matthew fleming
Re: Re: What?
by Salil on Feb 16, 2012 12:36 AM
do you remember dhoni opening an innign and finishing a game? Why just dhoni how many openors in the history are known also known as good finishers in the history?
Re: Re: Re: What?
by rammails2011 on Feb 16, 2012 07:14 AM
The question was whether srt was a capable finisher when he played quite a no of onedays at no 4 or 5.. the answer is NO
Re: Re: Re: Re: What?
by Against Pseudos on Feb 16, 2012 07:44 AM
:-)... The question to ask is - Is Dhoni capable of leading India in tests? Answer is NO.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What?
by Varun on Feb 16, 2012 09:35 AM
Capable of leading, answer is Yes. Does he know where he should bat yet ? Answer is No. He needs to shed his reverence for the trio and do what is needed for Indian cricket. Give himself a shot higher the order, see if he can catch the temperament right and if not, move on.
Re: dhoni
by Varun on Feb 15, 2012 06:16 PM
well he doesnt know that you are there to finish it off. You should probably let him know. Bcz otherwise india normally collapses.
Re: Re: dhoni
by Charlie Schembri on Feb 15, 2012 08:15 PM
Stupidest commet I have seen here in a while. Dhoni turned 80 odd from over 15 overs with seven wickets on hand to 13 needed in last over. He batted at almost 35% strika rate until the last couple overs.
You call that the finish? Bunch of bullcrap.. The youngsters threw away their wickets to raise the run rate at the other end..
Re: Re: Re: dhoni
by Varun on Feb 15, 2012 10:19 PM
Charlie, pl demonstrate how it is done to him. He is not there to ensure you or the audience is not under pressure. His job is to ensure that we make it through in an approach that he sees fit. If you don't like it, tough luck buddy. But you are not the judge.
Re: Re: Re: dhoni
by Varun on Feb 15, 2012 10:22 PM
Do you also realize we had a mini collpase before gambhir and dhoni got together. So rather than be dumb, place all facts together and see if it was prudent for dhoni to leave it for the ones after him. If he had and we had collapsed, people like you will jump on it and say he should have done otherwise. It is easy to sit back and criticize. He did it in his own way. And i sure like it for the simple fact that it trains our team to deal with the pressure and also lets us see who in opposition cracks under pressure. It is an experience and skill that can only be gained on field. And he hasnt flopped yet. So suck it up.
Re: Re: Re: Re: dhoni
by Charlie Schembri on Feb 15, 2012 11:32 PM
Being dumb? Is that you or me? And what collapse are you talking about? Having lost coupld wickets is considered Collapse?
Now lets cut the chase here. Besides Millions viewers, even the cricketers and experts were questiong Dhoni's method in that Adelaide ODI against Australia. And that includes Shashtri, Chappell, Gambhir. Now Shastri claimed in Dhoni's defense that Dhnoi was sick and that affected his game. Ok, fine..
Basically, most are agreeing that that the game went to the wire because of Dhoni's approch. Sixes are not hit at will. And so you better suck it up.
Now again, I still think Dhoni is better finisher of the game. I am just questioning his approach in that particulay ODI and then his follow up comments on his heroism and cover up..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: dhoni
by Varun on Feb 16, 2012 09:47 AM
And couple of wickets ? It was 4 down by the time dhoni joined gambhir, as far as i remember. So when gambhir left, 5 down.
Re: Re: Re: Re: dhoni
by Charlie Schembri on Feb 15, 2012 11:42 PM
Being dumb? Is that you or me? And what collapse are you talking about? Having lost coupld wickets is considered Collapse?
Now lets cut the chase here. Besides Millions viewers, even the cricketers and experts were questiong Dhoni's method in that Adelaide ODI against Australia. And that includes Shashtri, Chappell, Gambhir. Now Shastri claimed in Dhoni's defense that Dhnoi was sick and that affected his game. Ok, fine..
Basically, most are agreeing that that the game went to the wire because of Dhoni's approch. Sixes are not hit at will. And so you better suck it up.
Now again, I still think Dhoni is better finisher of the game. I am just questioning his approach in that particulay ODI and then his follow up comments on his heroism and cover up..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: dhoni
by Varun on Feb 16, 2012 09:45 AM
I just love your heroism story. Dude he has a very simple and clear strategy. He has been doing the same since i have started seeing him play down the order. Yes opposition is not a bunch of useless fellows. They also have their own tactics against it and plans dont work well. So matches do get pretty late into final overs. Did it get there in WC ? Nope. He could do it earlier. It is a calculated simple plan, like it or not.
Re: Re: Re: ignore d napoonsucks who criticize u
by solid singh on Feb 16, 2012 09:30 AM
aghast pseudo .
again making statement w o knowing the facts. pls check with ur sis & ur mum first. i gave them the same amount of joy which sachin has given to his fans.
Why was Irfan Pathan sent to bat so late he is a good batsman better than Jadeja and Ashwin. He should play instead of jadeja who is leaking runs and is not batting very well.
So another exciting finish, a cliff hanger and a thriller! Another Dhoni Heroics! In the tri-series so far India has lost one, won two and tied one. Except the first one the last three were all close matches with virtually Dhoni finishing off in style as no one else can! Gambhir has been the only other notable contributor. Although the bowling and the fielding have been exceptional but the batting woes continue.The Top order continues to flounder and the middle order mostly of youngsters failing to apply themselves.All are happy because team is not losing. But take out Dhoni, can the team win at all the way it is batting ? But is this Dhoni's gambling heroics to the last over every time ideal for the team ? Whatever happened to Raina's finishing skills ? Why is Rohit looking so tentative and Virat throwing away his wickets repeatedly ? Why not rotate the middle order as well and let Manoj Tiwary also get his chance ? Why not Dhoni comes up the order and stabilizes the innings and allows Rainas , Rohits and Tiwarys to do the finishing job ? Is this not the way to build the team ? Isn’t it supposed to be a team game ? When are we going to see India’s convincing win over Australia with Top order clicking, the middle order (youngsters) applying themselves to steady the innings and the no.6-7 batters finishing the game with aplomb ?
