Sudhir is absolutely correct. Ashwin spoke out of turn. That is what Ghambhir also pointed out. You cannot get a wicket with every ball. Ashwin has still to bowl to better batsmen around the world. Better control the toungue and let the ball spin
Re: Sudhir Naik is correct
by Senthil on Nov 27, 2011 11:46 PM
He is still " leading wicket taker of the match and leading wicket taker of the series as well"
He proved the pitch is bad by scoring a century for himself as well.
What he asked is not TURN from Day 1, He asked a bit of bounce atleast.
I don't know when the people going to understand what Ashwin asked and what this Curator is crying now
Re: Re: Sudhir Naik is correct
by Vaempuli V on Nov 28, 2011 04:24 AM
Senthil, he should have kept his views to himself rather than airing them in the public. Diplomacy is part of this game as well. As i read it he conveyed that he felt "cheated" by the pitch having played several matches on the same. He also conveyed that the wicket was no different from the practice wickets or something to that effect. As he has played just three matches till date, people will pick on him for having spoken out-of-turn. BTW i do appreciate Ashwin's efforts and believe he is a good talent. I don't criticise or attribute ulterior motives to him not going for the second run as he is a rookie at that level. He shouldn't have spoken out of turn and should have been more diplomatic in his approach.
Re: Re: Re: Sudhir Naik is correct
by Senthil on Nov 28, 2011 10:19 AM
What non-sense you are doing here then? You also should keep your views to yourself rather then writing to public here.
Shame on you, This pitch is a re-laid pitch for the World cup final and your lack of knowledge shows here and since then no first-class match is played here. He clearly said he has played 8 matches till date at this venue so he was right in his view.
So what if he playing his First Test? He asked about the pitch and he said about the Pitch.
What Diplomatic you want here, when the non-sense curator not providing the Home advantage to the slightest?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sudhir Naik is correct
by goutam dutta on Nov 28, 2011 12:09 PM
I think Ashwin should have been a little careful while choosing his words. The word "cheated" is too harsh.
This was a dead match if No Ashwin. India wouldn't have bowled out WI in 2 days and few more overs; and India also wouldn't have completed their first Innings perhaps. P Ojha and Aswin then run through WI fault batting line up so this Pitch came to this thrill. ELSE we would have seen a dull drawn test like it happened against N.Z in Ahmadabad last year.
Who the HELL are you to tell "the young spinner should concentrate on his own bowling" when he come out as the leading wicket taker of the match and leading wicket taker of the series as well.
He is not asking the Pitch to turn square from day 1 to help him, He said there is no bounce to offer in the pitch, which meant it's a DEAD pitch which is seen visibly when Varun Aron first delivery clocked over 135 kmph reached Dhoni on the bounce.
After this match reached a thrill, don't behave like a cry baby, it's the players who made it thriller not the Pitch.
Ashwin proved his statement by hitting his Maiden test century in just 117 balls which is a slap in your face.
What's wrong with you when you are not helping the Home team with Home advantage?
Re: Sudhir Naik should be thankful to Ashwin and P Ojha as well
by Vaempuli V on Nov 27, 2011 08:16 PM
>>it's the players who made it thriller not the Pitch.
Re: Re: Sudhir Naik should be thankful to Ashwin and P Ojha as we
by Senthil on Nov 27, 2011 08:23 PM
It is becoz of Foolish batting by the WI batsman in their 2nd Innings. All the player stated there is nothing alarming in the pitch, but only shot making was difficult, if u want to stay in the pitch they would have easily done, even Indian batsman got out while playing shots not while defending.
Re: Re: Re: Sudhir Naik should be thankful to Ashwin and P Ojha a
by Vaempuli V on Nov 27, 2011 08:28 PM
not really .. the pitch had cracked up a bit. That compounded by Ojha and Ashwin bowling slower by giving more air caused the Windies to perish. Shot making had it been as easy as the first two days then India would have won :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sudhir Naik should be thankful to Ashwin and P Oj
by Senthil on Nov 27, 2011 11:42 PM
What not really? The concrete road cracked up on the 5th day ONLY. That too not to a level of Panic. had Ashwin not scored Century, India wouldn't have attacked with a big lead conceded and WI happy to play out for a Draw and even if they declared India would have played for Draw safely as the Batsman got out while trying to force the pace. This was a similar Pitch to the Ahamadabad Pitch where we played a tame Draw against N.Z
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sudhir Naik should be thankful to Ashwin and
by Vaempuli V on Nov 28, 2011 04:10 AM
>>What not really?
Your comment "It is becoz of Foolish batting by the WI batsman in their 2nd Innings"
With a bit more help from the pitch the Indian spinners out thought the Windies. That is all.
What is all this hue and cry about this pitch. At that level one should be prepared to play on all kinds of pitches .. may be the pitch was prepared to give home advantage to Sachin. Whats wrong with that?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sudhir Naik should be thankful to Ashwin and
by Senthil on Nov 28, 2011 10:14 AM
Vaempuli V
If you have little knowledge about Cricket can you explain this "when Varun Aron first delivery clocked over 135 kmph reached Dhoni on the bounce."
So this is what Ashwin said he felt cheated when there is no bounce.
Here is the commentary from CI.
0.5 Sharma to Barath, no run, 142.1 kph, Strange. This is short of a length, left alone outside off, and bounces well short of Dhoni. Hmm
1.1 Aaron to Barath, no run, 135.6 kph, The quick man's first ball in Test cricket doesn't carry to the keeper. Not Aaron's fault, though. Bowled at 135ks, shortish outside off, left alone
Re: Sudhir Naik should be thankful to Ashwin and P Ojha as well
by Against Pseudos on Nov 29, 2011 03:57 AM
Senthil:
;-)... you give ALL the evidence that the Pitch was an excellent pitch and then you say Naik should have thanked Ojha and Ashwin. :) Why didn't he have to thank Bishoo and Rampaul? :)
Instead of criticizing the players, the curator should try improving the quality of pitch. Back in 2004 in Mumbai against Australia, both the teams got around 600 runs in 4 innings combined. Just because the match was close doesn't in any way mean that the pitch wasn't disgraceful. Similarly in this case, though in this case the curator overcompensated. Just because your favorite cricketer is close to another meaningless landmark does not mean that the whole game should suffer.
The pitch was prepared exclusively for sachin to make 100. Ashwin has every right to comment on the pitch. Infact he took 9 wickets and scored 100 and made sure that India did not lose the match. Naik take the criticisim in a right way.
Re: comedy piece Naik
by Vaempuli V on Nov 27, 2011 08:11 PM
he shouldn't have spoken about the pitch to the press .. that is the job of senior cricketers. Not Ashwin
Re: Re: comedy piece Naik
by Senthil on Nov 28, 2011 10:20 AM
There is nothing like Junior or Senior in Cricket when you are playing with the same team at International Level. He is not playing Under-19 Test. grow up people
watch out for this guy...seems that success has gone to his head. as a first capper he is not suppose to show his outburst. Mr naik u had done a wonderful job! dont worry those who go up all of a sudden will have steepest fall. Mr. offee let us watch ur game against aussie.
