Re: Re: Spinner
by Nihal Gopinathan on Jun 15, 2011 12:58 PM
After obviously achieving the main goal of winning the series, which a 'Kenya'-standard team can never do.
Re: Re: Re: Spinner
by Nihal Gopinathan on Jun 15, 2011 12:59 PM
Sorry INDIA achieved the main objective of winning the series. So what if West Indies won the 4th ODI? Doesnt' matter in the least. West Indies can never beat India in SERIES, which is more important.
Cricket, instead of being a game of ball and bat, has become a slam of ball! The pitches are so made to support the batsmen and the bowlers never get any bounce, especially in Asia. I wonder how India could produce some good pace bowlers with this kind of bias!
Re: Blame the flat pitches as well
by ramakrishnan s on Jun 15, 2011 07:21 PM
Boss, this is a common excuse for not producing fast bowlers. Pakistan has similar wickets and yet seem to produce fast bowlers as a matter of routine. The fact is fast bowlers need great strength and stamina which they need to work on and develop. Indian bowlers don't have that.
so long he is geting success is that matter... you can see that... variety of t20, one day and test cricket and often cricket speaks itself... and how munaf is succeding... though he should mix up speed (atleast 140/145) as well which i agree... and i am sure given enough chance in test cricket.. we will see it from munaf... we can not compare twenty years of cricekt back then...
and yes, andy is right coaching has to do someting with it... to be more natural bowler...
but i believe with existing since a year coaching munaf is getting on with it nicely...
i am an avid fan and admirer of kind of bowler munaf patel is as he is as he is into bit same area of one of also my favourites classic glen mcgrath...
Andy is basically saying, only his boys can properly pace and take wickets, the rest would be made spinners by videshi coach and circumstance. Pace and control is something not in India-pak(refers to Imran khan as well).
is Andy roberts having problem that Munaf did make india win first 2 matches because WI players could not play his slow balls and now they have cracked some of munaf code. Let munaf figure out what is most effective for him.
Re: decipher Andy Roberts pride of WI pace
by t xz on Jun 15, 2011 05:06 AM
Where did Roberts say that only WI can bowl pace. He was asked for his opinion and he provided one. Actually rediff did not publish the other part in which he also referred to the Aus pace attack of Lillee and Thomas.That part is published on other newspaper sites. But he is right about Munaf and other Indian pacers who loose pace after a while. They may take wickets in the one day or T20 cricket,but he wont be able to take lot of wickets or run through a side in a test match if bowls like this, especially on batting surfaces.
Re: decipher Andy Roberts pride of WI pace
by D S on Jun 14, 2011 07:34 PM
bouncy wickets and great wicket keeping by WI.
munaf should not turn into spinner and this is where they R leading Ishant into by messing his run-up and style.
These Indian pace guys should choose how many overs they will do PURE PACE and how many over of slow and mediums pace. And to whom. BUT SHOULD NOT turn into slow spinners on wrong advise.
2. Ishant is needed by Indian team and should be handled well by BCCI.
Instead of only trusting VIDESHI BOWLING COACH, ISHANT SHOULD WORK HIMSELF on no balls, take help of some player on WHERE HE NEEDS to put his second-last step before he delivers to avoid no-balls, MEASURE AND mark how many inches that SECOND-LAST STEP IS BEFORE THE CREASE. He can carry initially inchi-tape and mark place of second last step all the time.
DO NOT FORGET TO DO IT. THIS WAY he can increase his SPEED AND ACCURACY. AND should scrutinize what VIDESH COACH say, just don`t do if NO GOOD.
ishant, there are special exercise available for your height to increase flexibility such as to increase speed without strain (check Micheal Holding smoothness) and increase accuracy. Learn from likes of Micheal holding about variations (height, direction, length, swing, etc) in the releasing balls from the likes of Micheal holding. I can classify akram in later days as slow juggler of ball of prabhakar class, not an accurate pacer.
Re: Re: viv richards
by t xz on Jun 15, 2011 05:10 AM
and now by Praveen Kumar. His fastest ball is 126kph and average speed is 115kph. Perhaps slower than what Chandrasekhar used to bowl.
Re: Re: Re: viv richards
by rose on Jun 15, 2011 10:49 AM
IN IND FAST BOWLERS ARE INDEED SPIN BOWLERS, SPIN BOWLERS ARE MEDIUM PACE BOWLLER FOR SPINN BOWLERS EX, A KUMBLE IS REALLY A MEDIMUM PACE BOWLER, HENEVER TURNED THE BALL.
These oldies always have something to complain about in modern cricket. We can not forget that when Munaf had pace he was an inconsistent performer. But now he has cemented his place in the Indian side by bowling a good line and length. In the world cup he played a great supporting role by containing the batsmen at one end and letting Zaheer take wickets from the other.
But he is right in what he said for bowling coaches. Bowlers who were destroyed by bowling coaches were Pathan,Agarkar and Balaji. They messed with their actions and lost their ability to bowl well.
Re: Re: Speed is not the main weapon
by nilesh darekar on Jun 15, 2011 09:46 AM
Guys don't forget Munaf was the fastest bowler in the India when he has started his domestic level cricket.
Re: Speed is not the main weapon
by Sreekanth Nemani on Jun 14, 2011 08:26 PM
balaji had a spinal injury, and that is why he had to slow down. It is a great achievement to even bowl for him.
He along with many Indian pacers comes from a very humble background.This was the reason for them to put extra efforts to succeed till the great Indian genie called IPL surfaced & made even a gully cricketer millionaire.It in nutshell sums up why r they acting so as decent life is assured without any effort.
