Re: Confusion over Proud in Murali's achievement?
by pkr ramesh on Jul 23, 2010 08:45 PM
Since he is neither here or there shall we create a ruckus by saying both batting and bowling records are held by Hindus (pun intended)
Murali's action was always suspect. Luckily for him, he was born in an era, when Asians were the dominating force financially, and were the main prime movers for the sport. The whites, who had ruled the game for more than a century tried their bit to curb him, but they could not afford to take Panga with an Asian with India's backing. ICC were forced to introduce the degree up to which a bowler could open his arm; just to accommodate Murali. Otherwise, the rule was that the bowler had to keep the arm straight. The Doosra, which wrecked havoc amongst the batsmen the world over, is an Elbow ball. It cannot be bowled without opening the bent elbow at the point of delivery. In earlier times, Murali would have been dumped, and rightly so. But all this is academic. History will simply record that Murali took 800 Test Wickets. There is no denying his commitment and his gentlemanly conduct. Bye Bye Murali.
Re: Murali's action
by pkr ramesh on Jul 23, 2010 08:53 PM
Come on Mr Singh do not see motives in Icc decisions just bec you dont like it When he has abnormal elbow how can you blame him Like that our Chandra had polio Does that mean he should not play cricket
Re: Re: Murali's action
by Manjunath Srikantiah on Jul 24, 2010 12:45 AM
but chandra's bowling action had never been suspected and everyone knows that a leg spin can not be chucked with the normal action as it can be done with an off spin.
Murali tharans' achievement -though great- is not without suspect bowling action. There are people who do not approve Murali tharan's bowling action that includes our greatest spinner Bishen Singh Bedi. The achievement would have been greater if it had been accomplished without any controversial bowling action.
Re: Incorrect Bowling Action
by Manjunath Srikantiah on Jul 24, 2010 12:52 AM
I would put Shane warne ahead of Murali,because shane warne could not have chucked and it is not possible to chuck with a leg spinner.Shane warne never had a googly(At least I have never seen him bowling one).
I would put Shane Warne as number one spinner. Chandra the next Kumble next to him. Underwood,Bishen,Prasanna and Abdul Qadir next to kumble. Venkat the fourth.
I would not like to include Murali,because I feel he chucked throughout.
Re: Incorrect Bowling Action
by sanath on Jul 23, 2010 08:00 PM
correction: our greatest spinner has never been Bishen Singh Bedi. It is and always will be Kumble. Bedi was known more for the perfect tangent formed when he flighted the ball - nothing more nothing less. He has always taken wickets only in conjucture with the other three greats, and hence he can be called as one of India's great spinners, and not the greatest.
As far as Murali is concerned, my personal choice would always be Warne whose action was silken, but if Murali has bowled within the parameters set by ICC, then u and I are nobody to complain, after all it is they who set the rules. Period.
Re: Re: Incorrect Bowling Action
by siva kumar on Jul 23, 2010 08:13 PM
Read Bedi as "one of the greates" Yes. Shane Warne was aggressive but his bowling action was unblemished. He was not subjected to test for bowling action like Murali
Re: Re: Incorrect Bowling Action
by pkr ramesh on Jul 23, 2010 08:38 PM
Chandra and Prasana were no 1 and 2 Then came Bedi and Venkat Bedi was never clean in his remarks Like a coward he pulled the team out of a test match in West Indies saying his team would die if west indies bowled short pitched stuff Actually he did not want to bat Him calling Murali a chucker is more out of jealousy than facts Does he think he is authority on Bowling?Why does he not call Bhajji a chucker ?After all Bhajji went to australia to have his action corrected Murali was cleared without any changes in action
Re: Incorrect Bowling Action
by daniel on Jul 23, 2010 08:39 PM
sso whaat if the bowling action iss suspect? batsman has a bat in hand to counter it,if they cant who can help? how can u blame murlitheran! he is not blowing 150 km speed to get the batsmen out, batsmen needs skill to counter him! don't say sour grapes !
Looking at the events of the match it can clearly be said that the match was fixed just to provide Muralitharan 8 wickets to make the world record, it was just rubbishing to see the match.
Re: The match was fixed
by Venkat Bhat on Jul 23, 2010 09:24 PM
It is quite amazing how some people always raise match fixing bogey whenever India looses a test match. Our dear friend alleges match fixing this time because murali took 8 wickets to create world record. The bitter truth is India lost the match because it came second best in all departments of the game.
Murali tharans' though great is not without suspect action. There are people who do not approve Murali tharan's batting. The achievement would have been greater if it had been accomplished without any controversial bowling action.
Re: Re: kumble's
by siva kumar on Jul 23, 2010 07:46 PM
Yes correct.Getting Named a 'spinner' without actually spinning the ball is greater achievement.
Re: Re: Re: kumble's
by Manjunath Srikantiah on Jul 24, 2010 12:57 AM
How many inches should one to get a nick. just an inch and that's what Kumble did.He put the suspicion in the minds of the batsmen as to whether a ball is going to turn or not and that got him lot of wickets.Unlike Murali he never had a suspect action and when a bowler like Bedi complains there is something wrong with the guys action. I am still not convinced that he bowled clean.He chucked and the name chucker gets stuck with him,whether you like it or not.
