I don't intend to be harsh BUT in Indian cricket one must prove his ability very quickly. It's a curse of the game in India where Indians need want to see guys perform superbly in their second or third match itself. Unfortunately in this series, Murali Vijay and Subramaniam Badrinath have proved fragile as test batsmen. It's obvious that they are unable to handle top quality test match bowling. The Ranji trophy's class is very low compared to international cricket and we can see why. I have always been a stern supporter of ODI cricketers coming into test lineups. In this match the Indian selectors should have played Suresh Raina instead of Badrinath.
I don't understand why Virat Kohli and Cheteshwar Pujara are kept outside. Sachin Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman can't play forever. It's time India builds up a team for the future. I still support M.Vijay and Badri to be in the squad. You can't remove them just after 2 games. They are the future of Indian cricket.
On an ending note, I honestly don't think Murali Vijay is a genuine no.3 test batsman. He should open the innings and let Gambhir come one down. Badri should be put on the bench and let Suresh Raina come into the side.
Re: Axe hanging over heads of Badri and M. Vijay
by Sameer on Feb 16, 2010 05:54 AM
Jay, maybe its time you put your brain to rest. Writing 2 sentences has overheated it and hence you are sounding stupid. This is the problem with fans such as yourself. 2 failures and you are asking Gambhir to be moved down the batting order. The part where he scored 5 consecutive centuries has been conviniently forgotten.
People like you suffer from Short Term Memory Losse2prz
Re: Axe hanging over heads of Badri and M. Vijay
by vinay on Feb 16, 2010 02:23 AM
pujara, pandey n kohli looks good for the future. but they r not even trying pujara. thats surprising.
Re: Re: Axe hanging over heads of Badri and M. Vijay
by pradeep rodwal on Feb 16, 2010 03:16 AM
I second your views, Jay. "Horses for Courses". as simple as that...
What did Kris Shrikant expect from Badr , Vijay and Saha infront firinf steyn and co...whatever has happned was bound to happen.
Re: Re: Re: Axe hanging over heads of Badri and M. Vijay
by Against Pseudos on Feb 16, 2010 04:30 AM
Rodwal:
Taking it from a purely cricketing standpoint (instead of the politicisation of the issue as attempted by you), Badri, Vijay and Saha played much better in at least one innings than our ICC #1 test batsman who opens the innings... :)
So do you mean to say Srikkanth made a blunder in selecting Gambhir? :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Axe hanging over heads of Badri and M. Vijay
by pradeep rodwal on Feb 16, 2010 04:47 AM
Against Pseodos …. What a logic man…
We just cant compare Badris, Pujaras and Vijays with Gambhir?? Can we??
How can we just forget Gambhir’s recet exploits?? This failure of Gahbhir came on a heap of Hundreds he has scored recently. There is a difference between a ‘failure once in a while’ and ‘just inability to read the pace, swing and the bounce of the bowl” Latter was the case with Badri and Vijay. They were just dancing to the tunes of Steyn..didnt you notice???
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Axe hanging over heads of Badri and M. Vijay
by pradeep rodwal on Feb 17, 2010 02:57 AM
Against Pseudos
Again, I am back at it now..Why not to give Badri and M Vijay chances against Bangladesh and other minnows.. Why to play them against SA...What did Kris Shrikanth think, these two will score as much as they are doing in domestic circuit??
And yes, Gambhir has scored in Aus against Aus, in Eng against Eng, in WI against WI, in NZ agaist NZ.. Do Badris and M Vijay have it in themselves to do this ??
Sorry, These countries are not fond of the break dance they just displayed at nagpur...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Axe hanging over heads of Badri and M. Vijay
by Against Pseudos on Feb 16, 2010 08:04 AM
Rodwal:
I am sure the spectators got their money's worth in both the innings Gambhir appeared for his even shorter stay at the pitch... :) Pity he didn't show you his dance coz Steyn had his stumps shattered inside of 3 balls... :) Anyway, Steyn was on fire.... Indians in general are not too good against that type of bowling.... So your statements against Murali and Badri may not really mean as much as you want them to mean... :)
But sure a ton is coming AFTER this match.... when we'll play Bangladesh again... :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Axe hanging over heads of Badri and M. Vijay
by pradeep rodwal on Feb 16, 2010 06:31 AM
ok..accepted that Badris, Pujaras and Murlis have not got as many chances as Gambhir has..But I dont remember Gambhir DANCING on the pitch like Badri and Murli were doing in the first test....Man, it was almost like a chicken on a hot sand..the spectators got every bit of their money spent...what an entertainers ..WOW
let then play second time against Steyn in this test..You are guaranteed to get that view again..Both of them not going to last 20 balls man..mark my words...and yes Gambhir is due for a big one, a ton is coming.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Axe hanging over heads of Badri and M. Vijay
by pradeep rodwal on Feb 16, 2010 05:07 AM
Against Pseudos
No both are allowed to fail and perform. The iriny of the fact is failure is a 'rare' word with Gambhir but with Badris, Pujaras and Murlis, well, 'performance' s just an alien word to them...... The time has come that they should not be allowed anything... than to play for TN.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Axe hanging over heads of Badri and M. Vijay
by Against Pseudos on Feb 16, 2010 05:20 AM
Rodwal:
You are right. In the 56 test matches Badrinath has played, he didn't score in even one innings. So your expert comments must be obeyed and he MUST be shown the door... :)
Same goes for Vijay too. He too in his 56 test matches hasn't shown the brilliance that Gambhir displayed in the Nagpur test... :)
Didn’t Suresh Raina deserve a place in playing 11 ahead of Badrinath and M Vijay. That lad has done enough good to earn himself a test cap….
And I don’t really buy the idea of “having the temperament foe tests and not having it”. Even Sehwag was once said not to be fit for tests and now see… If one has got the skill, the technique and ability to play a long innings, he should be considered for tests. And given Raina’s international exposure . he should be picked ahead of Badri and M Vijay.
If one says that Badri had been knocking on the door since a long and was due for a chance, I have to say only one thing to them..better give this chance against the teams of subcontinent not against a team as potent as SA. Country’s pride should come first.
Re: Why Not Suresh Raina ??
by govardan dass on Feb 15, 2010 11:27 PM
In that case, Yuvi should not be in test team at all. He has been given umpteen chances since 2004 and has clicked with subcontinent teams only, that too in at home. Do u think that he is really injured? It's fake man. Any good bowling side visits india, this fellow will be injured. Either on field or during practice. Same yard stick is to be applied to all contenders. Unfortunately in India it is not so. If Vengsarkar is chairman of selectors he will favor Powar, Dhawal Kulkarni and the likes. And if Srikkanth becomes selector he takes his opportunity to select his state fellows. What to do, this is India. Even u can understand that how all matches goes to Nagpur - just because of Shasank Manohar and Powar - son's of soil theory. Only peoples love for the game runs it. These jokers reaps and enjoys the benefit. Hmmm.mmm
Re: Re: Why Not Suresh Raina ??
by pradeep rodwal on Feb 16, 2010 12:40 AM
I partially agree to you on this….and even I doubt that Yuvraj is seriously injured right now. But again….once we have seen how our youngsters (M Vijay, Badrinath and Saha) have fared against Steyn and company in the first test, wouldn’t it have been a more practical decision to pick up Yuvraj in place of Badrinath, if he is seriously not injured. He is any day a safe bet than Badri, given his experience.
See my point is , at the end of the day its EXPERIENCE that matters…Badri and M Vijay might have all the talents in the world but have they really faced a super fast bowler like Steyn before..NO… and we saw today , how this inexperience can make a difference. Steyn and Morkel were the same bowlers to sehwag and Sachin as well…but it was experience and maturity of Sehwag and Sachin that was lacking in case of M Vijay and Badri.
A talent needs to be groomed first. Give these youngsters maximum chances against minnows Bangladesh, Kenya and Zimbabwe and once they are well versed with internation standard pressures, bring them on against teams like SA.
Re: Why Not Suresh Raina ??
by allguysrhypocritsngalsrbitches on Feb 16, 2010 12:02 AM
what about handling the short pitch stuff? Time and again Raina has proved he can't and Steyn with the kind of form he is in...
Dont brin Sehwags case time and again, he is one exception ...manages to score big despite not having a good temperament ... also its not so much about temperamant ...its more about playing percentage cricket. You have to judge which deliveries to hit and which one should let go...in the process minimizing the risks.
And what is Raina's avg in first class cricket anyways..? 41 ..42, 43, 44?
How can he deserve place ahead of someone like Pujara, Rahane, Pandey who have avges arnd 60?
In all fairness Rania should be a permanent fixture in ODIs/T20s but tests ... Its high time selectors understand that he is not a test prospect
Re: Re: Why Not Suresh Raina ??
by pradeep rodwal on Feb 16, 2010 12:46 AM
You know it was the same mentality that arguably kind of marred Yuvraj’s test career. That man had all the skills to be a test batsman but again this temperament business and he got his test cap a bit too late. …. They are treating Suresh Raina, Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli in the same way…and I fear they all are going Yuvraj’s way. …..
Ok, I have one question for you… do you think Dhoni has a technique of even a club level cricketer ????
Re: Re: Re: Why Not Suresh Raina ??
by Sameer on Feb 16, 2010 06:32 AM
yuvraj's test career never took off. he was in the test team when at his peak in ODI and he has struggled.
Re: Re: Re: Why Not Suresh Raina ??
by allguysrhypocritsngalsrbitches on Feb 16, 2010 02:48 AM
yuvi is not solid against new ball and conditions where ball swings and also against quality spin. I think thats the reason why he didn't succeed in test cricket. Also he is not prepared to grind his innings (take singles twos), if the big shots are not coming. How many times have we seen yuvi "trying" to score 1s and 2's.? like tapping the ball calling for a quick single, then placing the ball for a comfortable two..etc
Again he is best ODI bet we got as of today, and has wide range of strokes and currently i will pick him ahead even of Sachin. But like many others, never thought he is a test material. Also he has got enough chances in test to prove his mettle, more than he should have, (on the basis of his odi skills)...i dont think we can say that his test career was marred !?!
Dhoni's techique is not great, but he backs it up with grit and disciplin. If the big shots are not coming he will change his game - he will become a foot soldier and look for 1 and 2, (unlike yuvi who will get frusted). Purelly looking from results stand point he has bailed us out from critical/crisis situations time and again. But still i dont he can never make it in the test side purely as a batsman...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why Not Suresh Raina ??
by pradeep rodwal on Feb 16, 2010 03:15 AM
ok..lets say u are right for a moment but the situation is alarming and we cant really rely on Pujaras, Badris and Vijays... We need someone whi has faced the music before and hence, Raina, Rohit and Yuvraj should come in.
I would anyday be happy if these youngsters being picked up wher we already have won the series and still have one test match to go... What did you expect from Badri and M Vijay infront of a firing Steyn and Morkel... Whatever has happened was always bound to happen.
"Horses for Courses" ..if somebody has said that he must have meant it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why Not Suresh Raina ??
by allguysrhypocritsngalsrbitches on Feb 16, 2010 03:32 AM
I agree with you - just in this series infront of Steyn, Morkel etc better to have Raina, Rohit...since they have had better international exposure
Hopefully thats the only reason they picked Raina in this test series. But i hope they are not planning to mould him in the test side...ahead of the other talented bunch..
I will still like to give another series to Badri though, but not to Vijay. If he comes through he will be a good replacement for Dravid...
Re: WAT IS THE USE GETTING WORLD RECORD TONS, IF INDIA IS LOSING
by allguysrhypocritsngalsrbitches on Feb 16, 2010 12:09 AM
if we are going to lose eitherways, might aswell lose with some world records under the sleeve,..some solace atleast. Right Chatur?
Re: WAT IS THE USE GETTING WORLD RECORD TONS, IF INDIA IS LOSING
by Ramelton Pandya on Feb 15, 2010 11:40 PM
What is the use of having people like you commenting on cricket if you don't understand the game and are only a biased jealous perosn.
don't keep any expectations from indian team to get win the ist game either ODI TEST OR ANY T-20. but we feel much pride always after every second game either in india or in abroad
