only wins can`t give the true picture.Matches played,Won,Drawn and lost will give true picture.even more matches are won it`s not Dhoni`s greatness but Team has whole contributed lot with exceptional performances from Dravid,Laxman,Tendulkar,Sehwag and a few good bowlers. Kishore kumar
Re: improper Analysis
by James Bond on Dec 30, 2010 03:38 PM
Where were these Dravid,Laxman Teldulkar,Sehwag and the Few bowlers? before Dhoni became captain? Shaving buffaloes?
What is all about Dhoni nothing.One should not forget that cricket is a Team game and all 11 player put efforts to get this results and not Dhoni alone.
Victory has nothing to do with dhoni or his captaincy skills. regarding guiding - first he himself should learn how play. Above article is simply a promotional campaign handled by his PR firm & sports manager.
Where were his skills and Guidance in the First Match. Its other players hard work which is responsible for win - He is just lucky to have such kind of team.
Re: Dhoni's guidance -Joke of the .......
by Rahul Ekbote on Dec 30, 2010 03:23 PM
bharat, yes,dhoni could get good team to excel,But Who tied sachin or other captains hands or selection comitees hands when others were captains,afterall its motivating team mates to play and win for india,not to come at no. 3 position and throw bats on evry balls on indian pitches ,then sure u will make lots of runs,u cant expect no. 10 player to make batting records.
Re: Dhoni's guidance -Joke of the .......
by mohit prakash on Dec 30, 2010 03:24 PM
your words against dhoni just shows that how much big looser you must hvbeen in your life.....loooseer
Re: Dhoni's guidance -Joke of the .......
by divya teja on Dec 30, 2010 03:19 PM
i agree with u ...The reason for victory is the xcellent form of sachin, sehwag, laxman and zaheer.....dhoni is not contributing in anyway...
Re: Dhoni's guidance -Joke of the .......
by Satish Rajguru on Dec 30, 2010 03:16 PM
fully agreed by comment of Bharat. The real heros are Laxman, Dravid, Tendulkar, Shrishant, Zaheer & Harbhajan. The credit should go to these boys.....
Re: Re: Dhoni's guidance -Joke of the .......
by Rahul Ekbote on Dec 30, 2010 03:25 PM
ok,afterall its team effort,now dhoni should start looking after his batting performance lost for long time.
Re: Re: Re: Dhoni's guidance -Joke of the .......
by pavan thakur on Dec 30, 2010 03:32 PM
We should bring Rakhi Sawant in the team...to keep our team happy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni's guidance -Joke of the .......
by Bharat on Dec 30, 2010 03:42 PM
Ok just to prove my point - select any neutral player ( though dhoni is baised- example Pathans,Munaf exclusion,Favour of RP & Raina etc.) and you will get same kind of win & performances - he is not a guiding force - a guiding force is one which can lead by example have enough records /performances to his credit.
Lets change captain - i am sure with this team ( minor changes required ) and coach India can win world cup too.
Motivating factors are coach & othe seniors in the team but not atleast Mr. Dhoni. Shud concentrate on his Wicket keeping And Bating otherwise soon you will forget he was there in team.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni's guidance -Joke of the .......
by Bharat on Dec 30, 2010 03:42 PM
Ok just to prove my point - select any neutral player ( though dhoni is baised- example Pathans,Munaf exclusion,Favour of RP & Raina etc.) and you will get same kind of win & performances - he is not a guiding force - a guiding force is one which can lead by example have enough records /performances to his credit.
Lets change captain - i am sure with this team ( minor changes required ) and coach India can win world cup too.
Motivating factors are coach & othe seniors in the team but not atleast Mr. Dhoni. Shud concentrate on his Wicket keeping And Bating otherwise soon you will forget he was there in team.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni's guidance -Joke of the .......
by Sanjeev Pandey on Dec 30, 2010 04:00 PM
when india got mini world cup under his captaincy without sachin , saurav, dravid, laxman etc.. it was called pure luck, now it is called due to all above player.He is now 2nd best captain india ever have after saurav, he has a best record as wicket keeper batsman, he is performing as good wicket keeper also. Why anybody is feeling problem in giving credit to him what he desrves.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dhoni's guidance -Joke of the .......
by Bharat on Dec 30, 2010 03:46 PM
Further days of captain etc are few in cricket soon we will have football or hockey style captains - ( honrary ) rest of the things coaches will take care off like they are doing currently.
Re: Re: my message
by Rahul Ekbote on Dec 30, 2010 03:28 PM
R U from CBI?CID or ruling scamster party?inflating ur claims?like inflation in indian grains,petrol or electricity in maharashtra?higeset rates,3 time in a year rates revised without any theft of electricity found,as political leaders are major thiefs for electricity,why not Cm and Dy. Cm find thiefs?,all fooling illiterte maharashtra and indian voters,everywhere.
The biggest problem with Sachin bashers is they are comparing Sachin with Sachin most of the times, and thats where the negative points in Sachin will come out
Please understand Sachin is also a good cricketer like many others but we only made him god doing relative comparisions but finally proved his achievements are not absolute, because he is one among great cricketers and not everybody else
Re: I am not a Sachin Fan
by Rahul Ekbote on Dec 30, 2010 03:31 PM
see why u people make some one as god,because nature powers are absolute gods for all living creatures on the earth with flying,swimming and birds and animals kingdom plus plants,we all banders,monkeys destroying our mother earth
Re: I am not a Sachin Fan
by Keshava Reddy on Dec 30, 2010 03:09 PM
VVS laxman is the most valuable player of India. Whenever Laxman plays India wins. No records are great if India loose a match. But Laxman was always neglected.
Re: Re: I am not a Sachin Fan
by DHEERAJCMEHRA on Dec 30, 2010 03:29 PM
MY DEAR WHAT WAS LAXMAN DOING IN 1ST TEST SCRATCHING HIS BUMPS OR EATING MASALA DOSA
Re: I am not a Sachin Fan
by Bholu on Dec 30, 2010 03:02 PM
Of all recent Indian captains, Sachin has the worst record. And he plays only for personal records, which help him earn a lot of money.
Re: Re: I am not a Sachin Fan
by Rahul Ekbote on Dec 30, 2010 03:09 PM
yes correct analysis of record ratna's career,another reverse record for Sacin would be ,he played max. WC from Indian team,but never won so far any WC for india,this is now last chance for him to prove his mettle.
Re: Re: Re: I am not a Sachin Fan
by Rahul Ekbote on Dec 30, 2010 03:11 PM
hi records never match his winning % for india,whenever he plays ,india loose in 60% and wins 30-40 only,dont give blame to other players,but single handedly he shud prove his mettle,i also love him but when he wins with india,not for only personal records,k.
Re: I am not a Sachin Fan
by RAJU CHAVAN on Dec 30, 2010 03:07 PM
He is no more match winner or match sever player, he plays for his personel record 90% and for nation victory10% Regards Raju Chavan
Re: Re: Re: I am not a Sachin Fan
by Rahul Ekbote on Dec 30, 2010 03:33 PM
True, the way he behaved after making his century in the first test proves this.
Re: Re: Re: I am not a Sachin Fan
by gaurdain on Dec 30, 2010 03:16 PM
i pitty u sachin bashers....human tendency to bash at most powerfull prevails in india to......whatever india is achieving tday is coz of sachin and saurav...saurav coz he had that burning desire to lead and y sachin dosent need any explanation........offcourse if as u say he isnt a match winner who is????name 1 person ....those who say laxman ..yes partially true....but not everytime he does that.....and when he isnt nedded to win...then who wins the game....i guess team u will say.....as i said just5 pitty6 ur cric sense
Re: Re: Re: Re: I am not a Sachin Fan
by Rahul Ekbote on Dec 30, 2010 03:36 PM
indians, this is not sachin vs. dhoni or other players,but we all indians want dhoni with Sachin win Feb. 2011 WC for india,and stay full fit before WC starts and we can pray only now.
But I respect him for his unrelenting commitment for the game... In the process if he's breaking records and making tonnes of money, then he definitely deserves it... I dont know what people mean by saying he plays for self and not for the country... WTF does that mean??? Is their anybody here who really works for the country? Everybody works of themselves... and its a normal thing to do... but those of us who are exceptions in their respective trades (like Sachin is in Cricket) bring fame and respct to their countrymen.
Those who dislike Sachin, are either psychos or have some other serious mental issues, and they really need help.
Re: I AM NOT A SACHIN FAN
by Bholu on Dec 30, 2010 03:02 PM
Of all recent Indian captains, Sachin has the worst record. And he plays only for personal records, which help him earn a lot of money.
Re: Re: Re: I AM NOT A SACHIN FAN
by Bholu on Dec 30, 2010 03:07 PM
If you want to do Chamchagiri of Sachin, its your choice. But the facts don't support such adulation...
Re: Re: Re: Re: I AM NOT A SACHIN FAN
by divya teja on Dec 30, 2010 03:22 PM
dude....sachin not playing for records...hes just relishing da game...in da process records r broken.....and naturally wen u play well u get money and sponsors...wat's his fault in dat???
Re: Re: Re: Re: I AM NOT A SACHIN FAN
by Amitabha Banerjee on Dec 30, 2010 03:26 PM
Bholu ji facts in cricket can be demonstrated by figures...so please give figures "which dont support adulation" for Sachin...!! I have figures which are to the contrary hence I would like understand your opinion...which unless supported by figures would be useless.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I AM NOT A SACHIN FAN
by Amitabha Banerjee on Dec 30, 2010 03:29 PM
BTW bholu ji...I agree that he was not a successful captain...figures indicate that....i want you give some figures re Sachin as player.
Re: I AM NOT A SACHIN FAN
by vadlamudi srinivas on Dec 30, 2010 03:02 PM
My vote yes Important points 1) Is anybody in India or in this world works really for country without working for themselves, VERY FEW, Sachin need not be among them. He is a normal human being
2) Why we need to bash a good cricketer like Sachin, as a human being may be he is having his limitations as you all say. 3) Why cannot we seek solace and wisdom by leaving to him which is best for him and the country
DONI BELONGS TO MARSHAL CLASS(THAKUR) OF UTTRANCHAL, FIRST WE THRESS PAKIS (MULLEE), KANGAROO TAIL, PROTEAS FETAHER, 4-1 IN PAKISTHAN (4-1) IN 2006 THEN 20-20 WC NOW 50-50, HE IS EQUEL TO KAPIL DEV 1983,
Re: THAKUR
by SHEKHAR RAWAT on Dec 30, 2010 02:42 PM
Even In the past doni’s anchester (kings of UT) help marathas (sahin’ anchester) in 3rd battle of panipat .they won only that front(4or5). and created escape route for their children & female Doni belongs to same blood
Re: Re: THAKUR
by Bholu on Dec 30, 2010 02:48 PM
Don't compared Dhoni with Sachin. Sachin was the worst captain of India. And he only plays for his personal records and money...
Re: Re: Re: THAKUR
by divya teja on Dec 30, 2010 03:25 PM
dude..if so...dhoni is da worst batsman amongst all captains in world....ocaptaincy is of no use wen players do not perform....so credit shud goto da players who r prforming well consistently lik sachin, sehwag, kohli, gambir, zaheer...dhoni in da team or out of da team wil no make difrence....
Re: THAKUR
by Harpreet Singh on Dec 30, 2010 03:19 PM
s right. dhoni belongs to Jharkhand and not Uttaanchal u idiot. nd wat rubbish things are u talking about.
Always people say Indian media is Sachin Baised. look at the discussion board...50% msgs related to scahin. it doesnt matter he score or not, all want to discuss about sachin. any cricket related article on any person, any country Talk about SACHIN.
Take this topic...it is not even remotely linked to Sachin..but 75% discussion on him.
he is guy who played for his country 2 days after his father's death.This we call playing for the Country.if dont like him,dont bring him into ur discussion.
Re: Request
by rajappan on Dec 30, 2010 02:42 PM
Sachin is a person who always plays for his records not for the country. He is very selfish. Its been a fact that whenever Sachin scores a century in a match India looses and there is no use for that knock. He will not play under pressure. Look at his celebrations after scoring a century in Centurian Test match. India was in a pathetic situation during that time. But he celebrates his century....Sach a selfish player.
Re: Re: Request
by ANIL SHARMA on Dec 30, 2010 03:14 PM
People who do not know about cricket can only give such comments. Please move out of this discussion.
Re: Re: Request
by ANIL SHARMA on Dec 30, 2010 03:12 PM
What to you mean by that ? When Sachin makes a century he is at his best, but its not his mistake that others do not perform. And mind you when he made his 50th Century, everybody wanted to celebrate but he did not celebrate because India had lost the test.
Re: Re: Request
by Andy Louis on Dec 30, 2010 03:04 PM
it was a celebration on his 50th century. It was his Dads B'day. Rajappan put yourself in Sachins shoes for that feat. Wont you say a small prayer to your father if it was your 50th Test Century scored in South Africa when India was in a precarious situation. When nobody else in the team was able to score a century. That Century helped India to get momentum back into the series. What do you expect him to send apologies to you for scoring a deserving century????
Re: Re: Request
by gaurav gupta on Dec 30, 2010 02:49 PM
You know something... you dont deserve any explanation... you are a loser and wont understand what it takes to be a champion... Idiots like you gain some sadistic pleasures by bringing someone down...but it doesnt help mate :)
Re: Re: Request
by asha on Dec 30, 2010 02:57 PM
You are true. It was a shock to see him celebrating his century when India was losing the match. That itself shows that records are important to him than teams victory. He is a ordinary good batsman and scored most of his runs in dry flat pitches.
Re: Re: Re: Request
by Amitabha Banerjee on Dec 30, 2010 04:08 PM
Ashaji, I did not understand "he is ordinary good batsman". Some figures you would like to consider - his average in tests is 56.54 which is currently better than any of his contemporaries. FYI (a little lesson in stats)the high average indicates that he is consistent in scoring. He has played 1471 matches of which 619 were international matches - which indicates he has a passion for the game, hence he has kept himself fit by sacrificing a life of ease & enjoyment (example Mr. Kambli). At the age of 37 he practices the hardest - read Gary Kirsten's comment. Regarding Dry flat pitches ?? Balls do spin...he has played Shane Warnes, Murali, Tausif Ahmed and a no. of Pakistani spinners and he has scored runs against them....so what is your point....he has scored centuries in Australia, West Indies, South Africa ....and sure that they were not dry flat pitches...so what figures do you have to support your theory that he is an ordinary batsmen....Don Bradman, Dennis Lille, Brian Lara, Viv Richards, Ponting, Javed Miandad, Shane Warne, Jayasurya (the list can go on) have all acknowledged his briliance...so what makes you say that he is ordinary? If he is not brilliant...show me any person in any field who is brilliant. My question why do you not want to acknowledge his brilliance....?? Hv you ever sacrificed to follow your dreams....if you have not you wont understand what passion to become perfect is all about..!!
Re: Re: Re: Request
by DHEERAJCMEHRA on Dec 30, 2010 03:23 PM
JUST DONE CRICKET PADS WITH GLOVES & HELMET AND MOVE OUT ON THE CREASE TO FACE FAST BOWLERS LIKE WASIM,WAQAR,DONALD,MCGRATH,LEE ETC.THE MUSIC AFTER THE BALL PASSES YOUR EAR WOULD REVEAL HOW CLUMSY YOU SACHIN CRITICS ARE.
Re: Re: Re: Request
by ANIL SHARMA on Dec 30, 2010 03:15 PM
Dear Aasha hope you know what celebrations mean. He was not celebrating he was thanking god and his father, which he did when he scored a century just 2 days after his father died.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Request
by barun samanta on Dec 30, 2010 03:18 PM
asha, I can make even 100 runs on your wet pitches. this comments came for your concept on sachin.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Request
by vadlamudi srinivas on Dec 30, 2010 03:30 PM
When we say equality for women atleast we should mean it even if they are so disgracing now a days but dont waste your time on posting some out of pitch comments, it only degrades us.
If they dont like positives on Sachin let them be enjoying negatives, why you make will yourself dirty
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Request
by Amitabha Banerjee on Dec 30, 2010 04:11 PM
Ashaji, I did not understand "he is ordinary good batsman". Some figures you would like to consider - his average in tests is 56.54 which is currently better than any of his contemporaries. FYI (a little lesson in stats)the high average indicates that he is consistent in scoring. He has played 1471 matches of which 619 were international matches - which indicates he has a passion for the game, hence he has kept himself fit by sacrificing a life of ease & enjoyment (example Mr. Kambli). At the age of 37 he practices the hardest - read Gary Kirsten's comment. Regarding Dry flat pitches ?? Balls do spin...he has played Shane Warnes, Murali, Tausif Ahmed and a no. of Pakistani spinners and he has scored runs against them....so what is your point....he has scored centuries in Australia, West Indies, South Africa ....and sure that they were not dry flat pitches...so what figures do you have to support your theory that he is an ordinary batsmen....Don Bradman, Dennis Lille, Brian Lara, Viv Richards, Ponting, Javed Miandad, Shane Warne, Jayasurya (the list can go on) have all acknowledged his briliance...so what makes you say that he is ordinary? If he is not brilliant...show me any person in any field who is brilliant. My question why do you not want to acknowledge his brilliance....?? Hv you ever sacrificed to follow your dreams....if you have not you wont understand what passion to become perfect is all about..!!
