Sachin, Why did you allow Unadkat to face STEYN by taking a single of the first ball and exposing him ? Anyone else in your place including Harbhajan would have tried to shield Unadkat. You have again proved that Scoring your 50th century was important to you, not saving the game for India. You should have atleast delayed the inevitable by putting up for some more time that too in the moring session. Even Greame Smith remarked that Sachin helped them by not shielding Unadkat.
Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by Against Pseudos on Dec 22, 2010 12:33 PM
Surya Prakash:
Same logic was adopted by Laxman at Mohali... so you are trying to tell us that Laxman never wants India to win but is interested only in personal records? Curious....
Re: Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by Surya Prakash on Dec 22, 2010 12:39 PM
I did not say Sachin never wanted to win, i said that he did not put up a fight to save the match.
Re: Re: Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by Sameer on Dec 22, 2010 02:47 PM
Surya Prakash ( Funny cos all that you have is darkness of ignorance and ineptitude)
Seriously dude ,
You see unlike you, I never look and sound like an idiot.
Ishant sharma came to the wicket in the 35th over Laxman took a single of the 1st deliveries in the 36th , 37th and 38th over. The 35th over, Laxman took a single off the 2nd delivery. Is that what shielding is about ? I mean seriously I don't know if i should pity at your ignorance or run a shower for you so that you can cry on your knees in shame.
I mean seriously, here I am quoting cricinfo. And all that you had to do was research before you BREYED !!!
PS : its still there in Cricinfo, you can ask your 5 year old cousin to look it up for you
Re: Re: Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by Kumar Lamba on Dec 22, 2010 01:00 PM
Agreed with Surya. Although Sachin is great batsman but he gave up very easily by allowing Unadkat to face Steyn. Will he allow a tailende to face opposite Fast Boulder when he is on 98 or 99?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by Surya Prakash on Dec 22, 2010 02:19 PM
Sameer, Initially Laxman shielded Ishant. Later he was allowed to take strike. And you are comparing facing NZ on an Indian pitch to facing SA that too Dale Steyn in South African pitch. Does it make sense ? And lastly, learn to display better etiquette on a forum like this. By calling someone IDIOTS and saying they are brawing, you are only proving how cheap a guy you are..Anyone can have their views. This is nothing personal. You have no right to use abusive launguage.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by Sameer on Dec 22, 2010 02:38 PM
Surya Prakash ( Funny cos all that you have is darkness of ignorance and ineptitude)
Seriously dude ,
You see unlike you, I never look and sound like an idiot.
Ishant sharma came to the wicket in the 35th over Laxman took a single of the 1st deliveries in the 36th , 37th and 38th over. The 35th over, Laxman took a single off the 2nd delivery. Is that what shielding is about ? I mean seriously I don't know if i should pity at your ignorance or run a shower for you so that you can cry on your knees in shame.
I mean seriously, here I am quoting cricinfo. And all that you had to do was research before you BREYED !!!
PS : its still there in Cricinfo, you can ask your 5 year old cousin to look it up for you
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by peeyush kulshreshtha on Dec 22, 2010 01:07 PM
Do you guys reallly think that sachin alone could have saved the match, with just 2 wickets of like sreesanth & udankat. comment sensibly atleast guys.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by Surya Prakash on Dec 22, 2010 02:52 PM
Sameer, Just by reading something and pasting on this forum does not give you the right to abuse others. Arrogant fellows like you are in plenty on this forum. I am not surprised. It has something to do with culture and upbringing which seems missing with you. You have learnt english, but forgot to learn manners. You would get bashed up some where in your life for your arrogance. Learn to be a good human first. After that comes everything. Bye
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by Sameer on Dec 22, 2010 01:53 PM
thats the whole point.
These idiots expect tendy to win from impossible scenarios . Why ? because he is the only one with such a capability . And when it doesn't happen, they come here breying
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by Sameer on Dec 22, 2010 03:02 PM
Surya Prakash
Maybe you should have exercised restraint and intelligence on your part rather than sounding the know all attitude.
As far as my upbringing is concered, lets see here
did I insult or try to undermine efforts of a Winner , a national role Model -- NO
Did i mock the intelligence and ignorance of someone who allowed himself to be mocked at -- YES
Was I right factually - YES Was the other person Wrong - YES
OMG, did you get the answer ? Talking about upbringing, did your folks teach you to insult or undermine hardworking folks ? Did your parents teach you to open your mouth without applying common sense or thought ?
Re: Re: Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by Sameer on Dec 22, 2010 04:41 PM
Augustin , maybe you didn't read the premise of this post ? I know its easy to get confused when all that you do is ctr c and ctr v across multiple posts
Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by anand datar on Dec 22, 2010 01:13 PM
It was crystal clear that the match had gone South Africa's way. He must have thought of giving the tailenders some chance to face South African bowlers, which may come in use in later Test matches !
Re: Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by Surya Prakash on Dec 22, 2010 03:14 PM
Sameer, You lack the basic descency and call others idiots just because they have different views. What more can you be called than being indescent.What do you mean by allowing someone to be mocked ? Who on earth are you to mock at other dude ? Little minds like you filled with arrongance and i know it all attitude..Ha..Ha.. Now you have proven that you are biggest IDIOT finally..
Re: Re: Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by Sameer on Dec 22, 2010 04:12 PM
well you allowed yourself to be mocked when despite my cricinfo records post, you blurted " Laxman did shield Ishanth initially" , Also you are thinking the match was against NZ, while it was against Aus. If Batting in that match was so easy, mind explaining why 8 wickets fell within 120 runs ?
Am i arrogant - yes , i am borderline arrogant. I can afford to be arrogant. Because , I have stuff to back me up.
Who on earth am I to mock others - well let me ask who the hell are you to judge someone who is light years ahead of you ?
I have the right to judge and mock you , since you displayed nothing but stupidity so far.
I didn't insult you the first time I posted. I provided you with proof
All that you had to do , was to make sure that when you talk, you are talking with facts backing you.
Instead, you choose the latter. At which point , you made yourself the object of ridicule.
So far, I have proved you wrong 2 times in the same post. IF i have a little mind and I have bested you, mind telling me where do you stand ?
Re: Re: Re: Why did you allow Unadkat to face Steyn ???
by Sameer on Dec 22, 2010 04:12 PM
Surya Prakash
well you allowed yourself to be mocked when despite my cricinfo records post, you blurted " Laxman did shield Ishanth initially" , Also you are thinking the match was against NZ, while it was against Aus. If Batting in that match was so easy, mind explaining why 8 wickets fell within 120 runs ?
Am i arrogant - yes , i am borderline arrogant. I can afford to be arrogant. Because , I have stuff to back me up.
Who on earth am I to mock others - well let me ask who the hell are you to judge someone who is light years ahead of you ?
I have the right to judge and mock you , since you displayed nothing but stupidity so far.
I didn't insult you the first time I posted. I provided you with proof
All that you had to do , was to make sure that when you talk, you are talking with facts backing you.
Instead, you choose the latter. At which point , you made yourself the object of ridicule.
So far, I have proved you wrong 2 times in the same post. IF i have a little mind and I have bested you, mind telling me where do you stand ?
Re: Don Bradman
by Sameer on Dec 22, 2010 01:34 PM
Nope , but then again
1) Bowlers at that time were hardly threatening 2) Fielding standards were way low 3) No LBW 4) No video feeds available to strategize against batsmen 5)Enough time period between Test series as well as tests. There used to be 1-2 days rest between the 5 days of test. 6) Limited bowlers and pitches
While the record is amazing by itself, there are plenty of helping factors as well.
Re: Re: Don Bradman
by Augustin Sundaraj on Dec 22, 2010 03:20 PM
Hardly threatening bowlers? Were they bowling spin "Body line" series with bowlers like kumble & harbajan? Heard of "Body line" series?
Fielding standards? It is always low only with India & Pakistan!
Heard of the ground sizes? It has been reduced now a days to make it more entertaining.
Heard of Uncovered Pitches?
Heard of Helmet, abdomen-thigh-arm guard? These were not there then!
Even a break between the evening and next morning brings distraction to the batsmen and causes lose his wicket! That too in covered pitch scenario!!!
Dont bluff with the limited cricketing knowledge! Never underestimate a great player!
Re: Bradman was incomparable!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ramesh kumar on Dec 22, 2010 12:20 PM
completely agreed. one shud be fare in sport. no matter who scored what.. we shud always appreciate telent.
no doubt he made 1x200 in ODI.its records. but records are ment for breaking.. previously it was on kapil name, later on Viv, then saeed anwar. now is sachin..
Re: Re: Bradman was incomparable!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Manjunath on Dec 22, 2010 12:32 PM
Both are genius. As a Indian i rate Sachin is the Best. As a Cricket lover Bradman is number one. His average speeks.
Re: Bradman was incomparable!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by anand datar on Dec 22, 2010 01:32 PM
Why do you take Bradman's side ? Our Sachin is the Best ! Which record was bigger ? Sachin's or those SA bowlers taking 100 wickets ? But South Africans gave award to their bowlers and not to Sachin for his world record !!! That is the difference between us and the South Africans. We ourselves don't appreciate our 'Diamond' but appreciate others' gold !! It is unfortunate.
If you go by Quantity, yes Tendulkar is way ahead of everyone. But I guess that is not the benchmark. QUALITY of his innings, quality of bowling, success in winning matches for the country, ability to score under pressure or when it matters - all these count to decide who is the Greatest. In the Centurion test also, Tendulkar was hit on the helmet. He no more dominates bowlers and accumulates runs.If we consider above factors, leave BRADMAN, Tendulkar would not even stand up against LARA or RICHARDS who never allowed bowlers to dominate. No doubt, Tendulkar's acheivements are indeed great, but he is not the GREATEST. BRADMAN would always remain the GREATEST.
no doubt about sachin, he is a god of cricket. he play in all formats of game with variety of teams, pitches, bowlers. he is a great player of cricket.
Re: greatest of all
by Anand on Dec 22, 2010 12:26 PM
Tendulkar has never been a match winner for India. He plays and gets a 100 when its not at all required. This clearly signifies his selfish motive. Let somebody tell me an Innings like VVS Laxman this fellow has paid
Re: greatest of all
by Anand on Dec 22, 2010 12:16 PM
Tedulkar doesn't deserve to be compared with greats like Bradman. Tendulka is an selfish playes who plays for himself and his own records. Bradman is the sky while this fellow is the ground
Re: Re: greatest of all
by Against Pseudos on Dec 22, 2010 12:36 PM
Anand:
If only the other 10 Indian playes (especially Laxman) learned how to play for themselves, we could have saved the Centurion test... of course we couldn't have won with the kind of club level bowling... but we could have definitely drawn the game... You are 100% correct... ;-)
Re: Re: Greatest of all
by Harsha Bhogle on Dec 22, 2010 12:04 PM
ha ha AP, good one! By the way no logic needed, because we are Indians we think Tendulkar is God. That is our level of self esteem as a country right now.
Re: Re: Greatest of all
by ramesh kumar on Dec 22, 2010 12:06 PM
first think, who invented it.
For DON, It was an era bodyline bowling.., just see video clip of that time then u will know. now in test, only 02 ball can be bounced. whereas in old time there was no restriction. anther,pitches were not so flat and good.
Re: Re: Re: Greatest of all
by Against Pseudos on Dec 22, 2010 12:07 PM
Ramesh Kumar:
Good.... so now that you have voted for the steam engine, any idea why they now keep it only in museums instead of attaching them in the front of bullet trains?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Greatest of all
by ramesh kumar on Dec 22, 2010 12:13 PM
can u have fruit without tree? u mean to say Thoams adison was fool who invented Bulb. becoz tube & helogen are used now a days.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Greatest of all
by Against Pseudos on Dec 22, 2010 12:38 PM
Ramesh Kumar:
I am not saying Edison was a fool, nor Bradman was a fool.... But for some reason you wanna smash all tube & helogen(?) in your house.... so go for it... :)
No. of teams played against Variety of Bowlers faced Variety of pitches played No. of matches played No. of formats played No. of Matches played per year Expectation Riding on him Intense scrutiny from all ends And i think if he had played in Bradman era, he would have ended up with many more runs. thanks to Jonty Rhodes, Ricky Ponting, De villiers and con who have stopped that many runs from his bat. I guess in Bradman era no one would have cared to run after the ball, forget pouncing on it. If we take those fielding standards, Sachin's average could be somewhere in high 60s atleast.
Sachin is a great batsman no doubt but small basics he lacks and for that matter most of our batsman...For e.g in the last test he took single in the first or second ball and exposed the tail ender sreeshant and unakat to the opposition...It has always been the case when the bats with the tailenders and most of our batsman do that...I still remember a test match where Callinan played with donald for many overs by taking single of the last ball and making the test to draw but ofcourse rain helped them but still he played majority of the overs by taking single in the last ball...That kind of sensible thinking definitely lacks among our batsman...
Re: lacks basics
by Muhammed on Dec 22, 2010 11:50 AM
you are humble while saying he lacks basics! Its the pseudo face of projecting a good innings. Determination, Will Power & Killer Instinct all are missing - Only selfishness & Greed Prevails
Comparing Bradman and Tendulkar is not correct. Bradman did not play on more than 12 Test vaenues (Eng,Aus put together),while Tendulkar has played on more than 60 test venues in different test conditions.I would say any one great in one era is certain to be great in any era.Had Bradman played today,he would have had average of at most 60.Comparing Tendulkar with Lara is understandable.My vote:Test Match :Lara and ODI:Tendulkar.
