Re: dinesh karthik is the best wicket keeper
by DoubleLarge on Aug 11, 2010 08:53 AM
Yes,we saw how Dinesh faced the fast bowling yesterday...and you say he is also better than Sehwag & Sachin...ha ha ha Dinesh is there bcos of the clown...Srikanth..
its irony that consistent performing players like pujara r not selected in the team n much hyped players like rohit n yuv r selected. rohit is overhyped player. every1 is talkig of his illusionary talent which is not there in him. he has been given so many chances but still v r expecting some runs from him.
when r v going to select genuine talent like pujara who is performing consistently. wake up after such a dysmal defeat.
Its high time that Srikanth is shown the door and a neutral and fair person replaces him. Srikanth is playing the regional card.Thats the reason we have people like Dinesh Karthik are in the team. Its time we get back the Pathan brothers in the team. They need toplay few matches to get their confidence up and would be vital for India's chances in the world cup.
Re: Team for the world cup.
by Sameer on Aug 11, 2010 09:09 AM
hmm few odi's to get their confidence up ? you mean how this strategy has worked since 2004 ?
Re: Team for the world cup.
by Against Pseudos on Aug 11, 2010 10:30 AM
Armaan Sameer:
Very well said. Just becoz Dinesh Karthink scored minus 273 runs yesterday, Yuvi's superb 233 and Dhoni's 106 notout were nullified and resulted in our 200 runs loss..
Re: Team for the world cup.
by Sudarshan S on Aug 11, 2010 07:19 AM
Wow you seem to be very close to some of these cricketers as you know what happens behind closed doors. Could you talk some sense and stop these conspiracy theories etc. Why is Rohith and Kohli in the squad. They must have paid huge sums to srikanth. Stop all these imaginary theories and talk sense technically about cricket if you can.
Please don’t group the players like VVS, Sachin, Rahul as seniors whenever they fail or win. Analyze their performance individually. Each person is unique. Tony Greig the other day mentioned that it was due to Laxman’s unique skills that India was able to come out victorious in that diffcult pitch. It was not easy to bat. Sachin was batting well but wasn’t getting a lot of scoring opportunities. Sachin was rock solid in defence but was scoring very slowly. Not taking anything away from Sachin but it really was a diffcult pitch. Enter VVS and then the game changed. VVS totally changed the game by hitting boundaries and picking easy singles hitting in the gap and if you had watched his innings it was chanceless. All the shots had pure class written over it and it was his Supple wristwork that won the game for india. Each person is unique. Similarly don’t group the younger players as juniors for thir wins or losses. Rohith Sharma is getting away with a lot of crap innings becos of this tagging. Cat remember any god innings he has played except against minnows and one CB series inings. Crap player must be get rid of before Worls cup.
All said and done Rohith Sharma is really crap. Did you see how he got out. The others who got out atleast the ball did something. This guy was just giving catching practice. I have never seen this guy any innings of substance apart from the CB Series Finals against AUs with Sachin. Even that innings had lots of nerves and mishits associated. This guy is purely a minow basher. Can anyone remember any good Match winning innings or even a small contribution under pressure from this guy. Absolutely Usless. When referring to yongsters please dont group them as Rohith Raina and kohli. They are all different. This guy gets away with this youngsters grouping while all the performance has come from the other guys like Raina and kohli. I wud say he is even worse than Jadeja. Rohith is Crap
Re: Re: RohIth Sharma is Crap
by Sudarshan S on Aug 11, 2010 07:54 AM
can you please back your statement with facts or statistics. or are you just commenting for the sake of it
Re: Re: Re: RohIth Sharma is Crap
by krishna v on Aug 11, 2010 08:19 AM
sure - sachin tendulkar year M I NO Runs Avg. HS 89-1993 65 62 8 1679 31.09 84 94-2010 377 369 33 15919 47.37 200* source : cricinfo
Re: Re: Re: Re: RohIth Sharma is Crap
by Sudarshan S on Aug 11, 2010 09:57 AM
Thanks for your statistics. Have to agree from the statistics point of view but you see Statistics doesn’t reveal everything. There is actually no comparision. I mean the opposition, the conditions etc. Pitches are a lot more batting friendly and flatter nowadays than 10 years before. You would agree that he faced better bowlers in Marshal, Akram, Ambrose, Walsh etc.during the initial phase of his carreer. Let me point out some of the matches there. 52 not out against pak consisting of imran, wasim, waqar, aquib. In 92 in Australia, 70 odd against Ambrose, Marshall, patterson in under bowling friendly conditions when everyone else in the team failed. That was the knock where people started recognizing what this kid is made up of. Another 50 odd not out against the same WI in a tense chase that India won to qualify for the final. Sachin’s talent was clearly visible with the way he was playing in a team of losers. He was also playing some great test innings. He played really some good innings against tough oppositions and we all knew that the talent was there and it is just a matter of time. But here with Rohith Sharma, if you watch his innings he looks so much at discomfort at the crease and most of his dismissals have been his own mistake or nerves. Can you point out any of his match winning innings or any small knock under pressure or any good knock against a non-minnow.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RohIth Sharma is Crap
by Sunil Vaidya on Aug 12, 2010 12:25 PM
BTW you asked any one match winning or small knock under pressure from rohit. rohit won us the first final in CB series versus australia by his knock of 66 runs.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RohIth Sharma is Crap
by Sunil Vaidya on Aug 12, 2010 12:19 PM
so sudarshan s, only regarding sachin, statistics don't reveal everything. in case of others statistics reveal everything. correct? suddenly at his time down the order everything was difficult. everything is suddenly easy when somebody now bats down the order. if the same stats krishna v has produced were of some other player then that player is suddenly useless. the person with the above stats is sachin so he is naturally very good. if today we present these stats 65 62 8 1679 31.09 84 of some player who bats down the order and say that he is really a very good player but just wasted down the order you will laugh but because these stats are sachins you have to find arguments that how these scores are really of a very good player but everything else is bad, batting position, types of pitches, types of bowlers, match condition, pressure situation etc. WOW!
Re: Re: Re: RohIth Sharma is Crap
by Sunil Vaidya on Aug 12, 2010 12:27 PM
so only sachin always batted at no. 6? nobody else ever batted at that position? now that sachin performance at that place is considered you want to ignore it saying that it is too low down in the order. but what do you do when comparing others performance at that batting position? you dont consider their batting position at all but compare that score with sachins scores in opening position. WOW!
when sachin bats at low down the order then everything is always against him. at such times always without any exception, the pitch condition is always bad, the match condition is always bad, it is always pressure situation, the bowling attack is always menacing etc. but while considering others performance at that lower order position everything is always at such times without any exception, good. the match condition is always good, pitches are always friendly, bowling is always ordinary, always there is non pressure situation. Great!
BTW you very glibly say that sachin batted at no. 6 for first 5 years. but is it really true? FYI sachin has so far in his career batted only 4(!) times at no. 6.
Re: Re: Re: Re: RohIth Sharma is Crap
by Sunil Vaidya on Aug 12, 2010 12:30 PM
BTW you very glibly say that sachin batted at no. 6 for first 5 years. but is it really true? FYI sachin has so far in his career batted only 4(!) times at no. 6.
sachin: Matches Innings Not out Total Runs Highest average strike rate 100s 50s 1st position 47 47 2 1625 120 36.11 82.82 2 9 2nd position 272 272 21 12857 200* 51.22 88.92 40 63 3rd position 10 10 1 92 31 10.22 48.6 0 0 4th position 61 61 8 2059 140* 38.84 77.08 4 15 5th position 36 36 8 797 82* 28.46 81.07 0 5 6th position 4 4 1 148 57* 49.33 134.54 0 1
Dhoni:
Matches Innings Not out Total Runs Highest Averge Strike Rate 100s 50s
Re: RohIth Sharma is Crap
by vinay on Aug 11, 2010 07:10 AM
rohit is an overhyped player. just filling the team list based on some fake talent n his influence.
I hope the Indian form continues to be abysmal in the remaining matches of the tri-series, at-least we will then know they are genuinely bad and there is no match-fixing involved.
Re: Are they so bad or was it fixed?
by vinay on Aug 11, 2010 07:11 AM
there can b fixing even in winning the match. they may start the innings slowly then pace it up. fixing cant b imagined.
These awards confound me. Laxman was declared the Man of the match which was just. Sangakkara had scored more runs and responsibly but Man of the Series went to Shewag eventhough he played magnificently. May be the wickets he took made the difference!
In the first ODI with NLand the Hero Honda Bike was given to Ashish Nahra where the more deserving members given cash prize or a TV.
1)When you do not allow to play specialist opener and allow karthik to play 2)Everybody knows V.Kholi is much better player than R.Sharm, still he left out. V.Kholi avg 45/ODI while R.Sharma's 30/ODI 3)When Mithun plays. we have lots of better bowler than him, who knows who selected him and allows to play I am sure this 3 players are not selected by merits but by corruption.
Re: Dinesh kartik played better
by chirag foryou on Aug 11, 2010 03:49 AM
we have lots of better player than dinesh, still what he is doing in a team? How much he pays srikanth to come in a team as a specialist opener's place. Even he is not a good keeper, just corruption man
Re: Re: Dinesh kartik played better
by cricket on Aug 11, 2010 03:52 AM
Who told you his average in last one year is 36. He is consistant player for last one year. He can able to play at any slot. then what u what from him. By just saying he is wicket keeper batsmasn
Re: Re: Re: Dinesh kartik played better
by cricket on Aug 11, 2010 03:53 AM
We see what player did today against fast bowling Only kartik is better than raina, sharma, youraj dhony etc
Re: Re: Re: Dinesh kartik played better
by chirag foryou on Aug 11, 2010 03:56 AM
Please check cricinfo for records. Dinesh's avg 29/ODI and look at him how many ODI he played as a batsman. I don't know how can he play as a opener. S.Dhawan, V.Kohli or Mukund can do better job as a opener Thanks
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dinesh kartik played better
by cricket on Aug 11, 2010 04:08 AM
Please check crickinfo for last one year status of dinesh karthick starting from 10-08-2009 to 10-08-2010. He played 18 matches and average is 36.0. In seeming condition dinesh karthik is better player than other indian young players
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dinesh kartik played better
by chirag foryou on Aug 11, 2010 04:15 AM
This is unbelievable, What do you say about his overall record 29/ODI from 50 matches. 18 matches is good enough to prove himself and stay in a team. We have lots of opener option like Dhavan, Mukund and V.Kholi all have better records than dinesh
1)When you do not allow to play specialist opener and allow karthik to play 2)Everybody knows V.Kholi is much better player than R.Sharm, still he left out. V.Kholi avg 45/ODI while R.Sharma's 30/ODI 3)When Mithun plays. we have lots of better bowler than him, who knows who selected him and allows to play I am sure this 3 players are not selected by merits but by corruption.
Re: Very bad selection of team
by cricket on Aug 11, 2010 03:50 AM
Yes apart from two test 100 in zimbabwe series his average is only 22. Dinesh karthik is better player than him.
Re: Re: Very bad selection of team
by chirag foryou on Aug 11, 2010 04:01 AM
Dinesh does not deserve to stay in a team. 29runs/ODI, worst keeper proved in so many matches. He must pay lots of money to BCCI or srikant just favour him We have Dhavan, V.Kohli and Mukund as a specialist opener as a good replacement.
