Sachin when young was as destrcutive as sehawag if not more. I have seen him hitting Abdul Qadir for 4 sixes in an over at that young of 17-18 in an exhibition match. Don't remember why that match was an exhibition match for rain or something else. And Abdul Qadir was best spinner at that time. And I still cannot forget sharjah 1998 where sachin single handedly won that cup for Inida. My only regret is that Chennai test match against pakistan which he almost won for india but last 4 batsman couldn't score 17 odd runs.
Re: Don't compare sachin and sehwag
by BIJIT CHAKRABORTY on Aug 04, 2010 09:08 PM
but bowlers in the world fear sehwag the most and also regarded as the most destructive batsman in the modern era.what about that.no one regards sachin the most destructive batsman..
Re: Re: Don't compare sachin and sehwag
by sunny on Aug 04, 2010 09:12 PM
Agree with you on that. But about 10 years back Sachin was the most destructive batsman in the world. And still he is one one of the very best.
Re: Re: Re: Don't compare sachin and sehwag
by BIJIT CHAKRABORTY on Aug 04, 2010 09:13 PM
yea that's right even sachin was a destructive batsman in his prime time.
Re: BIJIT CHAKRABORTY
by BIJIT CHAKRABORTY on Aug 04, 2010 09:11 PM
the past palyers also said that lara and ponting are equally good as sachin.now it differs from person to person that who regards b/w these 3 as the greatest.
Re: Re: BIJIT CHAKRABORTY
by LG on Aug 04, 2010 09:18 PM
Best Test batsmen between Jan 1997 and Dec 2002--This was the period when pitches were still very sportive and there were many good bowlers around:
Batsman Tests Runs Average 100s/ 50s
1 Sachin Tendulkar 59 5705 63.38 21/ 20
2 Andy Flower 41 3464 56.78 9/ 18
3 Matthew Hayden 35 3054 56.55 12/ 10
4 Rahul Dravid 62 5178 55.08 14/ 25
5 Aravinda de Silva 38 3134 54.98 12/ 9
6 Inzamam-ul-Haq 49 3740 51.94 12/ 15
7 Jacques Kallis 63 4447 51.70 11/ 25
8 Ricky Ponting 57 3916 50.85 14/ 14
Look at these stats and make up your mind.
Of course, even then you deny, have no problem. Be happy in believing what you want to believe.
Don;t know why Vijay Murali is keep on getting the opportunities. He failed miserably even on a flat pitch. He is so scared of Malinga and always want to be on Non Strikers end when Malinga bowls. It is unfortunate that Srikanth is showing too much bias and showing lot of regional feelings by selecting Murali Vijay. There are lot of players who are far better than Vijay and they can be given the opportunity. There are players like Rahane, Rayudu, Uthappa, Pujara, Manish Pandey etc who can play far better than Vijay. Unfortunate that Srikanth is selecting Viajy for tests and keep on selecting Dinesh Karthik for ODIS
Re: Don;t know why Vijay Murali is keep on getting the opportunit
by Sports Lover on Aug 04, 2010 08:38 PM
Vijay is good prospect for future. I don't want to play region shiit here as I am from other part of India. I really think vijay is a good test batsman
Re: Re: Don;t know why Vijay Murali is keep on getting the opport
by Varun on Aug 04, 2010 09:47 PM
I agree. Indian fans are quick to judge. I would give him space to grow and see how he does. He has the technique. Does he have the temperament is for him to prove.
Re: Re: Re: Don;t know why Vijay Murali is keep on getting the op
by Sports Lover on Aug 04, 2010 08:45 PM
Doesn't matter. I would just like to say that I am not from south.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Don;t know why Vijay Murali is keep on getting th
by sreenivasulu reddy on Aug 04, 2010 08:46 PM
Come on Sports Lover. Northies never like Tamils. Given the opportunity, Northies would beat hell out of tamil guys.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Don;t know why Vijay Murali is keep on gettin
by sreenivasulu reddy on Aug 04, 2010 08:54 PM
come on sports lover. Punjabis don;t know who Vijay is.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Don;t know why Vijay Murali is keep on gettin
by Sports Lover on Aug 04, 2010 08:49 PM
Man don't expect everyone to be the same. If you are really interested to know I am from Punjab
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Don;t know why Vijay Murali is keep on gettin
by Sports Lover on Aug 04, 2010 09:01 PM
I only think about Indian cricket not about regionalism. If you still don't uderstand then ke,tenu,punjabi,bol,ke,dehavan?
Re: Re: Don;t know why Vijay Murali is keep on getting the opport
by sreenivasulu reddy on Aug 04, 2010 08:42 PM
There are lot of players who are far better than vijay.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Don;t know why Vijay Murali is keep on getting th
by sreenivasulu reddy on Aug 04, 2010 08:50 PM
Sehwag was not a opener. He was a middle order batsman. Now u can see the results.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Don;t know why Vijay Murali is keep on gettin
by Sports Lover on Aug 04, 2010 09:02 PM
You are talking about an exceptional cricket here. Not everyeone is sehwag, or sachin or dravid remember that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Don;t know why Vijay Murali is keep on gettin
by sreenivasulu reddy on Aug 04, 2010 09:14 PM
Agree sportslover. That's why you have to chances to top level prospects. Without giving chances, how can you expect Pujara, Rayudu, Rahane or manish Pandey perform.
Re: Don;t know why Vijay Murali is keep on getting the opportunit
by sreenivasulu reddy on Aug 04, 2010 08:45 PM
Srikanth is keep on selecting tamil nadu players as if they are his son in laws. Tamil players are main reason why india keep on losing.
Re: Viru is the best but...
by Pervez Musharraf on Aug 04, 2010 08:19 PM
Reason..he doesnt play for records..sachin used to attacked only in the last millenium
Re: Re: Viru is the best but...
by Sports Lover on Aug 04, 2010 08:36 PM
Major difference between sachin and sehwag is age. Sehwag is at his prime and sachin has tired body at the age of 37. Cannot expect him to play like viru does at that age.
Re: Re: Viru is the best but...
by Gomeslo on Aug 04, 2010 09:17 PM
You are exposing your stupidity. Today Sehwag has completed 7000 runs and has taken 2 innings less than Sachin..all opposition teams feel half the battle is won if they get Sehwag..
Re: Re: Re: Viru is the best but...
by Sports Lover on Aug 04, 2010 09:30 PM
It used to be the case when sachin was young. At that time there was only sachin now ther are lot many other to support sehwag for him to play feraless cricket.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Viru is the best but...
by TipTop on Aug 04, 2010 10:17 PM
So anyway, a Sachin fan will never appreciate the good works of other players as usual.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Viru is the best but...
by Gomeslo on Aug 04, 2010 10:29 PM
Being a Sachin fan is acceptable...but don't say Dhoni or Sehwag is useless.. it's just bcos of a group of players we have achieved this #1 status...
Re: Re: Viru is the best but...
by BIJIT CHAKRABORTY on Aug 04, 2010 08:46 PM
just as few people thinks viru is the best,does not make it true,similary just bcoz u think and some people thinks sachin is the best,does not make it true. come out of sachin's dreams and just see how many sachin haters are there.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Viru is the best but...
by BIJIT CHAKRABORTY on Aug 04, 2010 08:56 PM
why cant a true lover hate sachin.no doubt sachin is a great crickter.but everyone has their own choice/favourite players.now for u sachin is perfect but for others sachin may not be perfect in their own respectives.so its a normal thing yar..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Viru is the best but...
by Sports Lover on Aug 04, 2010 09:07 PM
Man what is there to hate about that great man. Think from brain and stop thinking form region/religon point of view.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Viru is the best but...
by LG on Aug 04, 2010 08:52 PM
part of what said is right. Of course, Sachin is not best just because I or some people here say so.
Sachin is best because all complementary and past great players say so.
Re: Viru is the best but...
by TipTop on Aug 04, 2010 09:24 PM
Sachin fans are disgrace for cricket. They dont appreciate anyone playing better. They dont even celebrate India's win rather count of personal milestone of a Selfish player.
Re: Viru is the best but...
by Varun on Aug 04, 2010 10:03 PM
He is also the dumbest. If god had given this guy a little more brain, he would have been a class apart from all of them including the false gods. But god does not give one person everything. Maybe viru is what he is because of the way we thinks.
I never tire of seeing this magnificent batsman Virender Sehwag in action. When in full cry, there is no better sight in the game, he can slaughter any bowling on any pitch anywhere in the world. He reminds me so much of the incomparable legend Sir Vivian Richards. King Viv in his prime was the same, he dictated bowling attacks and dominated them, he was the monarch who destroyed bowling attacks to shreds. Without helmet in what can be the 'era of the most fastest bowlers in history', he used to show who was the boss and dominated them. Like a king he used to come, his very presence was electrifying and crowds used to swell when he was there in the middle. Charismatic and colorful personality, he was one of a kind.
Viru is the same, when he bats, all watch spell bound and pray that he never becomes out. Hope Viru gets a hundred tomorrow and races to another one.
Re: What a bat VIRU is....
by Pervez Musharraf on Aug 04, 2010 08:14 PM
Sachin will continue to his 49th ? test century tommorow ... and boy isnt he outclassed when viru plays?
Re: Re: Re: Re: What a bat VIRU is....
by Gomeslo on Aug 04, 2010 09:48 PM
Buddy,our VIRU is as destructive as Viv Richards.. I have seen both playing...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What a bat VIRU is....
by TipTop on Aug 05, 2010 12:04 AM
Buddy, Wasim Akram is scared of bowling to Viv Richards. Akram never feared any other player during his playing days. that will say how much great Viv Richards is.
Re: Re: Re: What a bat VIRU is....
by Kaka on Aug 04, 2010 08:39 PM
I am talking abt both. Viru and Sir Viv are both similar kind of players who love to dictate terms to bowling attacks and slaughter them.
Many compare them with one another, and Viru himself when asked on the same, admitted that Sir Viv was one of a kind, who was a class apart in a league of his own. He also said, no comparisons, the kind of bowlers Sir Viv faced in his time, 4 quicks at a time without helmet was something else. He played in Packers rebel series in late 1970s and faced some frightening fast bowlers at a single time on the fastest pitches in Aus, without helmet and destroyed them. So Sir (KING) Viv is slightly better. U yourself can see his videos on YOU TUBE, like his 189 NO ag Eng in 1984 and so on.
Re: Re: Re: Re: What a bat VIRU is....
by Sports Lover on Aug 04, 2010 08:43 PM
You are quite right about viv. I have been watching cricket sicne 1983. Even gavaskar palyed without helmet so that should not be criteria to decide who is best batsman. Viv richards didn't face the dedaly bowlers who were all on his own side.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What a bat VIRU is....
by Sports Lover on Aug 04, 2010 09:09 PM
@kaka. whole world rates sachin as best except australians. It is not about rating. But there is no point about arguing. I remember that every team used to fear vivan as they fear Sehwag now.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What a bat VIRU is....
by Kaka on Aug 04, 2010 08:59 PM
You are mistaken. He played them in local matches like our Ranji and county cricket in England. He took them head on and dominated them. His own compatriots from Roberts to Holding, Marshall, Garner, Croft and co, hailed them as the best they bowled to. And all were great fast bowlers.
Agreed Gavaskar also played without helmet, but he was not a entertainer, more of a technical player who did not dominate attacks. He grinded them slowly and steadily. On other hand, Sir Viv took them on and slaughtered them, Lillee, Thomson, Pascoe, Hogg, Imran, Wasim Akram, Snow, Willis, Hadlee, Sarfraz, Kapil, Botham, etc, all rated him as the best they had bowled to. Now u can make your comparisons from this as well as from Viru's comments. Sachin and Viru with modern greats like Lara, Warne, Inzy, Rahul, Laxman, Jayasuriya, Ponting, Waugh bros, etc all hail as their idol.
Re: Re: What a bat VIRU is....
by S Shrikanth on Aug 04, 2010 08:33 PM
Sachin survived a LBW decision today. So all the runs he will make tomorrow will be bonus for him, like he was dropped on 0 and 29 and survived a clear LBW at 147 in last test match:
34.5 Randiv to Tendulkar, no run, Loud shout for lbw Again, from round the stumps, it lands on middle and leg and turned to hit the pad in front of leg. Probably turning down leg or would it have hit the leg? Let's wait for the replays..Hawk eye says it would have hit the top of the leg stump
Re: Re: Re: What a bat VIRU is....
by naveen dhanerwal on Aug 04, 2010 08:49 PM
and what about those wrong decisions Sachin has faced throughout his career? remember that SBW (shoulder before wicket) series when he was wrongly give out three times in 6 innings?
Re: Re: What a bat VIRU is....
by Varun on Aug 04, 2010 09:49 PM
true. But that is what age difference does. Even otherwise sachin was never as explosive as viru is. But that is also a disadvantage for viru at times.
For LG by Varun (View MyPage) on Aug 04, 2010 07:35 PM | Hide replies
Tests Sachins average in australia overall - 56.08 average in 4th innings of match - 19.71
Does that mean he cant deal with pressure against quality pace attack under the toughest of conditions ?. Wisen up and learn something LG before you write nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
If logical thinking comes naturally to every grown men, then you might also be having it, but it does not come naturally.
Do not try to use your empty brain and come up with myopic views.
All inning are important, that is why average of all innings are projected against every players.
Selected stats are meaningless for most except for morons like you.
By the way, do try to hide your lack of intelligence by writing lofty sentences.
Re: Varun
by naveen dhanerwal on Aug 04, 2010 08:31 PM
4th match innings 1989-2010 58 46 13 1212 136 36.72 3 3 3 Sachin's avg in 4th innings is 36 and that's that much bad. I know you are telling us his avg in australia but does it matter? Punter's avg in India is aorund 25 does that mean he's not a good player?
Re: Varun
by Varun on Aug 04, 2010 08:03 PM
roflmao. So now that is the new approach. Lg with all due respect. Pl stop making a fool of yourself. You really need to learn. You need to first figure out what is this so called logic. You throw an argument. People show you are fallacy of that. Then you change track. Atleast have the guts to say you got it wrong. For some reason you think nobody can do better than sachin. That is where you lose it kid.
"All inning are important, that is why average of all innings are projected against every players."
But some are more important than others. Is that a difficult concept to get ?. You will learn this once you get over your blind love for sachin. Good 4th innings average is far better than a good 1st innings average because of the pressure and detiorating conditons that come under. But i dont expect you to understand all this. You are an amateur. But to show you the fallacy of stats, i dont rate sachin as a flat track bully because of that pathetic 4th innings average. He has his weaknesses like everyone else. I will leave it at that.
So basically you need to go back and learn basics first before you put on your pretensions of being logical. you are just funny.
Re: Re: Varun
by Nostradamus Great on Aug 04, 2010 08:10 PM
Varun, are you trying to reason with a moron in rediff discussion forum? he he Good Luck with that! :-p
Re: Re: Re: Varun
by Varun on Aug 04, 2010 10:00 PM
hehe. try harder. You idolize sachin as if there is nobody else. I agree that he deserves adulation for the tremendous service he has given to indian cricket. But because sachin is good does not mean others are bad. That is where you failed to grow up kiddo. Stop being the clown.
Re: Re: Varun
by naveen dhanerwal on Aug 04, 2010 08:22 PM
Hey varun...so you say a player having good avg in 4th innings is much better than a player having good avg in 1st inngs? Ok let's think it this way that team A batted first and made 600 runs. Team B needs 400 to avoide foloow on and you have the players who have good avg in 4th (or 3rd) inngs don't do good in 1st and they play a follow on. What are the chances of Team B saving the match? And what are the chances if players having good avg in 1ft innings scores well in first inngs and avoide the follow on? Runs are runs irespective of scored in any of the inngs in a test match buddy! If you don't do good in 1st innings it puts extra pressure on the team! More pricisely it's the 1st inning os the match that put the foundation of a win or loss. If it's not the why would the toss be so important in matches and specially in Srilanka where Srilanka haven't lost a match in which they won the toss except one against England!
Re: Re: Re: Varun
by Varun on Aug 04, 2010 09:51 PM
hehe. The usual LG kind of stuff. I did not say that. Read it again. I dont rate a player by stats as stats is deceptive. I was teaching LG a lesson the kid forgot or rather never learnt.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Varun
by Suraangani on Aug 04, 2010 09:37 PM
According to you everybody has empty brain..it's time for you to realize that you have d*o*nkey's brain implanted.. u better stop coming to this forum...too much of insults... bcos u keep blabbering..
Re: Re: Re: Varun
by Varun on Aug 04, 2010 09:58 PM
Buddy. I did not say first innings score or average is worthless. But to score well in the 4th innings one needs more than just technique. Get it ?. That is sometimes the stuff that separates a talented player from a champion. But that does not mean the other one is worthless or their first innings scores are. But it is a fact in test cricket that wicket detiorates as the match progresses. Will leave the rest of figuring out to you. The bottom line is that stats are not of much use unless all factors are taken into consideration. Something Lg forgot when he used it to call viru a flat track bully. And that too when the guy has an away average of 41. Anybody who knows the game can tell that 41 is a good average. But hey it is LG.
Re: Re: Varun
by Gomeslo on Aug 04, 2010 10:35 PM
I advised this dunce to read English newspaper daily before coming to this forum...somewhere he has read this "logical thinking" sentence and he keeps repeating this...even GOD can not save this fellow...
Re: Re: Re: Varun
by LG on Aug 04, 2010 11:26 PM
you can create many IDs but your were an asssss_hole will remain an asssss_hole. This is fact, which will not change by you shouting here in this virtual world.
I know you are hurt and very badly hurt but you deserved it.
Re: Rahul Dravid
by Sports Lover on Aug 04, 2010 08:34 PM
Lets see what he does in South Africa tour. I am dead sure he'll be better than the rest, if not he'll retire.
Re: Rahul Dravid
by Varun on Aug 04, 2010 07:53 PM
look he is like this in subcontinent conditions. Secondly his kind of batting needs lots of energy and concentration. Not sure if he has it anymore. I hope he proves me wrong. Would love to see the old dravid back.
Re: Rahul Dravid
by One Liner on Aug 04, 2010 07:50 PM
Did you see that in two of the tests he got out for no-fault of his? He is such a class batsman. You must be out of your mind to kick out such a great batsmen.
