I hope a person gains pride by doing something for a noble selfless cause, But according to Bal Thakeray it is not, one should be selfish so that he is proud. For him Betray India (that is leave all talents all over the country) pick some Naive maharatsrian , then he has done a gr8 deed .Does this make somebody feel proud .I hope not. If Sachin would have won the world cup under his captaincy, or played a vital part just like sharjah (sand storm match), then chennai match against england and then tri series in Australia, we would be proud indian as well as very proud maharatsrian. F758k off bal(self explanatory) thakeray
Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by Shabbir Udaipurwala on Nov 27, 2009 03:48 PM
Selection to the national team should be on the basis of ability to deliver and not on the basis of region, caste, creed or other factors
Re: Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by Vivek Dev on Nov 27, 2009 04:37 PM
Bongs threatened no Gangu no test match and Gangu was promply reinstated in the national team. Some merit indeed.
Re: Re: Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by meiyappan Jr on Nov 27, 2009 05:02 PM
Read Steve Waugh's book. He has stated that the Indian team according to the Aussies has a soft under belly - until they met Sourav's fighting Indians. Even Rameez Raja stated (after the famous Pak tour that we won)that "this is different Indian side, where no one plays for records or personal goals (he obviously was pointing to our 'greats'. Yes!Good to know there are regional biases in our selection. Kids & younsters living in other states will be motivated
Sourav deserved the selection and didnt he prove a point with his last knock? Why do you think another Bombay player lost a place because of Sourav's selection?
Re: Re: Re: Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by Vivek Dev on Nov 27, 2009 05:52 PM
No need to read anybody's book. Cant we judge for ourseleves the merits or otherwise of our own players? Are we so intellectually bankrupt?
Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by shayantan basu on Nov 27, 2009 04:06 PM
sachin is spon on with his statement.......mumbai is indeed for everybody.....similarly kolkata, delhi, chennai and all places are for each and every indian..... I wonder y emminent maharashtrians like sunny, lata mangeshkar, nana pathekar do not make statement like the way sachin did...... hats off to sachin.......u r my hero
Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by Praveen on Nov 27, 2009 03:57 PM
I have no clue why Indians are making a hue & cry over racism in Australia. Its happening in our own country. If non-marathis are not supposed to be in India; then Non- aussies shoudl not be in Australia. Let us condemn both or condemn neither
Re: Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by meiyappan Jr on Nov 27, 2009 05:04 PM
Exactly! And the call the people coming into bombay as 'migrants' - Soon they will issue visa's to enter Bombay.
Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by Raj Sesha on Nov 27, 2009 03:51 PM
The truth is finally out about Sunil Gavaskar. No wonder Bishan Singh Bedi called him the biggest threat to Indian cricket. But for his partisan selecting, people like Raju Kulkarni, Ghulam Parkar and others would never have got to play cricket fir India. People like him, Ajit Wadekar and Vengsarkar are undoubtedly the main reason why so many undeserving people from Mumbai earned India test caps.
Re: Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by shayantan basu on Nov 27, 2009 04:00 PM
Bishen singh bedi was a bigger threat than gavaskar....... that sardar decraled the whole inning because of injury fear... gavaskar is a true indian who put india in the cricketing map of the world
Re: Re: Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by meiyappan Jr on Nov 27, 2009 04:56 PM
Bedi, Gavaskar etc were alike as captains. Lacked fighting qualities. Kapil was the first guy who led from the front (e.g. World Cup 1983, his knock in the tied test Vs the Ausies at Chennai, his famous knock at Oval..many more) Sourav was another fighter. We should not rank these guys.
We should see what the other cricketing greats have said about these guys. Read Steve Waugh's book. He has stated that the Indian team according to the Aussies has a soft under belly - until they met Sourav's fighting Indians. Even Rameez Raja stated (after the famous Pak tour that we won)that "this is different Indian side, where no one plays for records or personal goals (he obviously was pointing to our 'greats'.
So Bedi & Gavas were alike as captians, though Bedi was better because of some 'firsts' (first win in Australia etc etc). Gavaskar, except a few matches, was a 'record book' filler.
Coming to the 'destroyer' issue Bedi never destroyed anyones career by biased selections - On the other hand read the history of Dilip Doshi - you will get the truth from the horses mouth.
Re: Re: Re: Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by Vivek Dev on Nov 27, 2009 05:46 PM
I am talking about the series against Australia when he was deservedly dropped and then reinducted due to pressure from Bengalis. when was that 2006 I suppose.
Re: Re: Re: Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Nov 28, 2009 07:59 PM
Bedi led a team at a time, where there were few pace bowling options. Gavaskar based his bowling attack around Kapil, Doshi and to some extent Ghavri. Both delivered reasonable results despite the limited bowling resources. To say they lacked fighting qualities is ridiculous. Remember India chased down 406 under Bedi's captaincy. Dilip Doshi was unlucky that much of his career ran parallel to Bedi's. Bedi was clearly a superior bowler. To call Gavaskar a 'record book' filler is ridiculous. Not even Kapil and Bedi, two people who did'nt like Gavaskar would call him that, and I think they are better qualified than you. As a selector Bedi tried to end Gavaskar's career. I have already mentioned about Dilip Doshi. Why only Doshi, two other left-arm spinners with very fine domestic records could not get into the Indian team because Bedi was so good; Padmakar Shivalkar and Rajinder Goel. Gavaskar gave Doshi his break. The Pakistan tour of 1982-83 ended the career of Doshi and Gundappa Vishwanath. It also saw Gavaskar being removed as captain. As for Rameez Raja, he played only 1 series when Gavaskar was around, and was nowhere in the picture when Bedi's career ended. So I don't think he was commenting on these guys. You have to go to their contemporaries for a true rating of these guys, people like Imran, Chappell etc.
Re: Re: Re: Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by Vivek Dev on Nov 27, 2009 05:43 PM
YEs and he also fixed matches and cried and sobbed when he was caught.
Re: Re: Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by Vivek Dev on Nov 27, 2009 05:50 PM
BS Bedi did not obey Wadekar's instructions. He even abandoned a test match in New Zealand. Azzu and Kapil were involved in match fixing. When northies are around discipline and fair play go for a toss.
Re: Re: what is to be proud Maharastrian?
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Nov 28, 2009 07:43 PM
Bedi has a personal grudge against Gavaskar, so any statement from him about Gavaskar is suspect.. As for selection, Raju Kulkarni and Ghulam Parkar had a good domestic record, and were also part of a Ranji winning Bombay team. That is why they were selected. That they did not perform reflects on them rather than on the selection. It happens everywhere. England had Graeme Hick. Brad Hodge has no realistic chance of getting into the Australia team despite his good 20-20 and domestic performances. By the way, have you looked at the domestic cricket record during the period Wadekar, Gavaskar and Vengsarkar played for India? Bombay was the dominant team, so a big share of India caps went to Bombay players. If you look carefully at the Aussie teams, most of the top players are from New South Wales. Does that mean there is a bias there also? At one time in the 90's as many as 7 players from Karnataka were in the Indian team. Karnataka was the dominant team in the Ranji of the 90's. Fair logic. They get the chance. It is up to them to take the chance. Don't crib. Srikkanth's career took off because Gavaskar backed him. L Sivaramakrishnan's career crashed despite the fact that both Gavaskar and Kapil Dev backed him. Both these guys were from Tamil Nadu. Where is the regional bias?
Re: Sachin's Stance
by Abhishek on Nov 27, 2009 03:35 PM
These guys raut and Thakrey are criminals and should be treated like them only..they are themselves are indulged in serious crime and provokin people sentiments to run their own house.. This guy Raut has no standard and now Mr. Bala sahab has proved that he has reached tha last stage of his life where a man becomes or act like a child as per williom Shakespere...he has lost his control and so called Gunda sena and Raj Jokrey's joker nirman sena will vanish very soon.....
Re: Sachin's Stance
by Dev on Nov 27, 2009 03:34 PM
doesn't look any difference between J&K , Arunachal Pradesh and Maharashtra . They behave like foreigners it seems
Re: Re: Sachin's Stance
by Balakrishnan Ponneri on Nov 27, 2009 03:47 PM
Why no one ask Srinagar, Simla, Dehradun, Itanagar etc. is for all Indians. Why it is only Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkota, Chennai, Vadodra, Hyderabad, Bungaloru, etc. If this question is asked to Sachin and kapil Dev and their cotrie in media and if they say all the above places are belongs to every Indians - wait for the remarks from Umar Abdulla, etc. where article 370 is applicable. That means, all the places are not for all Indians only selective places reserved for them. In such cases, those who are interested in Sports they should limit themselves in commenting on the sports and not spoke their nose in other matters and to create unnecessary conflict.
Re: Re: Re: Sachin's Stance
by manish sharma on Nov 27, 2009 04:04 PM
Hey Balakrishnan Ponneri , You remarks wud more suit in a bigoted marathi website than a global platform like this.... So, all that u wnat to say is that J&K terrorists are your (and thackeray's) role models and u wish to implement sth like article 370.....Its laughable becaus eas per one estimate, hardly 40% people in Mumbai are marathis...and till late 60s, Mumbai was not even a part of Maharast=hta.. yes, it very much belongs to all Indians...its OUR financial capital...
Re: Sachin's Stance
by muralidharan pillai on Nov 27, 2009 03:29 PM
What is true indian/maharashtrian?What this thakery done for maharashtra/anything special.so dont give dialog in smman
Re: Re: Sachin's Stance
by Indranath Chatterjee on Nov 27, 2009 03:35 PM
I strongly feel that this is simply giving too much importance to an issue that deserves no mention at all as it is utterly ridiculous. Now we are getting into team selection preferences without really accepting that any Indian has the right to be simply proud to be an Indian. That is all ! Tendulkar has said just that - he is an Indian first - its very simple. I request all attention to the comments made by any political party be ignored as it has no relevance and is a waste of time. Whether Gavaskar was right in selecting Parkar and Nayak are subjects that have been discussed in print media at the time at length - no connection with Gavaskar also being an Indian first. Kindly let us all be proud as Indians. It is an earnest request. That is all.
Re: Re: Sachin's Stance
by prashant sanghotra on Nov 27, 2009 03:35 PM
FANTASTIC QUESTION WHAT THAKREY DONE FOR MAHARASHTRA. JUST MAKING IT ANOTHER VILLAGE WHERE THERE IS ONE BABA WHO CONTRIOLS ENTIRE VILLAGE. THAKREY SAHAB U HAVE FEW FOOLS BEHIND YOU. THIS IS SACHIN THERE ARE NOT JUST INDIANS,PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRY ALSO FOLLOW HIM. COME OUT OF SHELL MNS.
Re: Re: Sachin's Stance
by Abhishek on Nov 27, 2009 03:44 PM
These Thakreys and Raut like criminal shuld be treated in a harsh manner under no circumstances they should let roam free. These guys are dustbin objects and should be dump there only..I feel very bad that how our society can choose such people our representative..we have to do something otherwise we dont need any outer evil force to devide india while gunda mawali party like jokrey nirman sena aur gunda sena will destroy everything....i do vote bt not on the basis of cast, region, or under any influence..i am not die hard supporter of any party..i feel for my country..i want to see serious proceedings towards development, so i vote the guy is atleast having credibility to take these reponsibility....we all have to spread awareness...frnds i am running my own team for these kind of social work..i need your support..i have few of my frnd with me in this nobel cause....i need ur cooperation...i would relly appriciate ideas nd views, suggestion.
Re: Sachin's Stance
by J Chandrasekhar on Nov 27, 2009 03:36 PM
MH for for Maharastrians, Karnataka for Kannadigas, WB for Bengalis, Tamilnadu for Tamils and UP/MP/Bihar for Hindi speaking ppl; then where is India for Indians?
Re: Sachin's Stance
by prashant sanghotra on Nov 27, 2009 03:39 PM
where were all these thakreys and company when there were dynamic leadership like indira gandhi. they were dead scared of that lady.initialy thakrey was a face of fearless personality but now he is a mere ring leader for jokers in uday and raj.
Re: Re: Sachin's Stance
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Nov 28, 2009 08:06 PM
Actually, the Shiv Sena was a monster created by the Congress. The Congress used them to break the Communist Party hold on the labour unions in Bombay, and also for a lot of other dirty tricks, thus keeping its hands clean. The monster has turned on its creator, that is why the Congress has used the opportunity to create another monster, the MNS.
Re: Sachin's Stance
by meiyappan Jr on Nov 27, 2009 04:59 PM
I am ashamed. As a kid I thought Gavaskar was great. I admire Sachin. He is noble and a nation builder.
Re: Re: Sachin's Stance
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Nov 28, 2009 08:07 PM
No reason to be ashamed. The Saamna article was a load of bullshit. Gavaskar is still great.
