For once Raut was right and correct. Gavaskar was definitely parochial and did push up guys like Ravi Sasthri. Dilip Doshi was the original spinner in the team and Ravi was not even in the camp for the pre-team selection. He was preferred over many other left arm spinners of the period. Ravi did not do anything in NewZealand that season though subsequently made good in the following season.
Re: Gavaskar & Tendulkar as per Raut
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Nov 28, 2009 06:24 PM
By the way, Doshi was injured and unable to play which was why Shastri was called up. He took 4 wickets in that match, not a bad analysis. Look at the statistics book before talking. Shastri was initially picked for his bowling. It was later that his batting ability improved. So where was the parochialism? By the way two people were on the list of possible replacements then: Shastri and Gopal Sharma. Sharma did play a few years later for India without much success.
Re: Gavaskar & Tendulkar as per Raut
by Vaskar Bhattacharya on Nov 28, 2009 10:47 AM
I don't think you have much of knowledge about how ravi shastri came in.
Dilip Doshi, the front-line spinner (and representing my state west bengal in the ranji trophy) got injured and the team had to look at an alternative. shastri was doing a very credible job as a spinner in the domestic circuit that season and he was flown in.
for years to come shastri along with maninder singh served the country well. in fact shastri started playing as a left arm orthodox spinner, who came to bat at the fag end ... at no. 10 or 11, with very little batting technique. it was through sheer grit, determination and application of his mind he became one of the most stable openning batsman in the limited format of the game and a dependable middle order bat for india in the tests.
Pls do not mix up his story with the ageing and unfit Dilip Doshi's slow and certain fading away from the Indian team. They are not interrelated. 'coz if you get them connected, then how would you explain the lack of luck on the part of the most successful and prolific batter over the years, in the Mumbai Ranji team - Amole Mazumder?
Pls rise above factionalism. We can't afford to be divided internally when external powers are constantly trying to encash on any apparent sign of discord amongst the fellow Indians, all over the country.
Re: Gavaskar & Tendulkar as per Raut
by Indian on Nov 28, 2009 02:15 AM
Shame on these ppl.. Does Maharashtra ppl waits for helping hand..Cannt they do themselves??
Re: Re: Gavaskar & Tendulkar as per Raut
by Indian on Nov 28, 2009 02:19 AM
That is stupidity..Cricket selection should be based on ability to play.. Not based on the language they speaking.. SACHIN U R GREAT..FOR PLAYING THE CRICKET, INSTEAD OF RACISM GAME...
Re: Re: Re: Gavaskar & Tendulkar as per Raut
by punith kumar on Nov 28, 2009 09:53 AM
yes it's correct. We don't know indian cricket team is only for Marathi speaking? or to the guys who having tallent to lift the team to top position? stupid persons. It shows there political nature and they don't have any tallent thats why they need helping hand from the other people. But sachin said well and also did well. once 6-7 cricketers are from karnataka, but now it is reduced to 1, because of their poor permormance. but they don't have any rites to blame Rahul Dravid. Because team represents whole India. and team members represents whole indian peolple. team is not only for a group of people and not for the Dubbaaaa, political and tallentless people. WAKE UP GUYS, THROW THE STONES ON THESE BLOODY POLITICIANS.
Re: Gavaskar & Tendulkar as per Raut
by anand prakash on Nov 28, 2009 10:29 AM
Cant stop my laughing hahahaahahahahahahahha. Great marathas now need of helping hand to compete with other state players. Now sena has proved that all marathi players have joined Indian team bcz of Mahrashtra lobby only. Now the players of UP/Jharkhand have shown their talent they are not able to compete. they need whell chair hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhha
I really wonder how so called educated people get drifted by media.
What Sachin said - Mumbai is for all Indians.
He does not have enough idea that Old state Bombay is separated into Gujrat & Maharashtra. To have Mumbai as capital of Maharashtra, 106 people are killed in the firing done by police with orders from Morarji Desai.
Since then Central Government has been exploiting Mumbai. And they are not interested in developing UP/Bihar/MP etc.
If a person like Sachin says Mumbai is for all Indians, people like Lalu, Mulayam, Amar use it to start movement of Separating Mumbai from Maharashtra.
It is obviously impossible. It is like separating Madras from Tamilnadu..
Bal Thakray is the only person left in India who calls spade a spade.
It is interesting to note that neither Sachin nor Sunil has spoken a single word again him.
Re: So called educated people
by abhishek kumar on Nov 28, 2009 07:15 PM
r u in politics idiot. bal thackrey is the one who is trying to seperate maharashtra from india. SACHIN and SUNIL dont have time to waste on him. rest lalu amar.etc r washing hands in ganges. and we must know abt right and wrong in political debates.
Re: So called educated people
by Jairaj Shinde on Nov 27, 2009 07:10 PM
u fool just because he said mumbai is for all indians doesnt automatically mean he meant mumbai should be seperated from maharashtra . people like u who get duped by nobodies like sanjay raut are the biggest clowns
Re: Re: So called educated people
by Abhijit on Nov 27, 2009 07:40 PM
To Jairaj,
Sachin does not meant Mumbai should be separated from Maharashtra.
If a person like Sachin says Mumbai is for all Indians, people like Lalu, Mulayam, Amar use it to start movement of Separating Mumbai from Maharashtra.
Read first, give some exercise to your small brain & then write.
Re: Re: Re: So called educated people
by mandook on Nov 27, 2009 07:47 PM
Abhijit has a perverted view of the situation. All cities and all towns and all metros in India are for all Indians, why Mumbai alone? There are lakhs of Marathi manoos outside Maharashtra. Abhijit should not forget it. In fact Maratha people ruled several states outside the present Maharashtra: MP, Tanjore (Tamilnadu), Baroda are standing examples. It is only Bal and Raj have spewed venom to create wrong impression in the minds of young Marathis to gain political advantage.
Re: So called educated people
by sunil koul on Nov 27, 2009 07:25 PM
Bal thakrej and raj thakrey are the marathi maroons who just want to separate mumbhi from india.
Re: So called educated people
by overblown blown on Nov 28, 2009 10:35 AM
abhijit's brains have gone for a walk. How can you seperate mumbai from mahrashtra?? Is it a ladoo or what?? Tendulkar is correct. BT & RT are trying to out do each other and in the process have lost it.
It is true that everybody got India cap had skill of game.
But to have that skill is not enough. Dirty politics, regional Quota, Money Power, Gadfother are all that needed to join the team & have your place in it.
'Saamna' has been pointing out that. Players either from poor background, poor communication, without gadfother should be helped by Sunny, Sachin.
Rediff should increase its level of understanding.
Re: Rediff Misleads
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Nov 28, 2009 06:33 PM
The selection of the team depended by and large on domestic performance. Through the 50's 60's and much of the 70's Bombay dominated Indian cricket. That is why at that time bulk of the Indian team was from Bombay. It became much more even after the 80's. That is why members of the team are from all over the country. Fact about Vinod Kambli is that he was more responsible for wrecking his own career. Most of the stalwart Bombay players made it on their own ability, not based on somebody's support. If they don't make it now, it is because, they don't have the ability.
Re: Rediff Misleads
by freddy on Nov 27, 2009 06:09 PM
@abhijith: you should increase your level of understanding buddy. Rediff and every non-sainiks understood what Saamna pointed out. Players from poor background, communication or godfather are not coming only from Maharashtra or Bombay. The whole country has a lot of players like that. Why are you not concerned about all of them??? Above all, it would be the first time in history of any country that somebody gets crucified for giving a patriotic statement. You and your sena should be ashamed of yourself my friend.
Re: Re: Rediff Misleads
by overblown blown on Nov 28, 2009 10:40 AM
freddy even most of the shiv sainiks I am sure will not agree what Raut is talking. Only fools like abhijit eat that crap
Re: Rediff Misleads
by Vaskar Bhattacharya on Nov 28, 2009 10:52 AM
why is it pointing today?
where was it when mumbai cricket association and its cricketers ruled the roost in Indian cricket?
now that suddenly various indian cities have started throwing up capable cricketers, great maratha bal feels the heat and starts expressing his anger against politics in cricket.
that's funny and naive to say the least, unless bal thinks all marathis and indians are blinking i d i o t s.
Re: Rediff Misleads
by explorer on Nov 29, 2009 03:24 PM
Did we see any cricketer completing 50 tests without doing anything? Some people might have received extra chances but they needed to prove and survive in the battle field. At the end performance always mattered. What we talk is about ifs and buts like had we included or had provided more chances to some one, he could have done same as some one else. That can never be proved. But what is proved so far is that noone survived for long without performing.
Re: Rediff Misleads
by Bolo India on Nov 27, 2009 05:53 PM
if half the team was marathi or drawn from Maharashtra...would you call it regionalism or is it other way round...i think tendulkar in that sense was is metaphor of greatness because he could keep his caste, creed and religion aside while deciding for the team he should be choosing!
Re: Rediff Misleads
by explorer on Nov 29, 2009 03:25 PM
Did we see any cricketer completing 50 tests without doing anything? Some people might have received extra chances but they needed to prove and survive in the battle field. At the end performance always mattered. What we talk is about ifs and buts like had we included or had provided more chances to some one, he could have done same as some one else. That can never be proved. But what is proved so far is that noone survived for long without performing.
Re: Rediff Misleads
by Sandy Sandy on Nov 27, 2009 05:47 PM
one simple question , if Gavaskar helped marathi players to get into Indian Team , why we cant see his OWN SON Rohan Gavaskar??? Fact to be selected one has to have the talent.
Re: Re: Rediff Misleads
by ACHINTA ROY on Nov 27, 2009 05:56 PM
Yes, he tried to influence. He was not in power. So, he influenced Ganguli to take Rohan and was partially successful. But Rohan is bogus just like Suru Nayak and Ghulam Parkar. Ravi Shastri got a break from Gavaskar, but he capitalized on that like the true professional he was. But Gavaskar did no wrong. He had a habit of spotting people, which Tendulkar does not have. Gavaskar is far ahead of him in all respects.My salutations to Sunny. I am too timid to criticize him.
Re: Re: Re: Rediff Misleads
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Nov 28, 2009 06:45 PM
Rohan did reasonably well in that Australia tri-series. It was just that somehow he did not have a good career. Gavaskar could spot talent because he played a lot of domestic cricket. Tendulkar spent most of his career on international duty, so after a point he did not play much domestic cricket. Hence he was possibly not able to spot talent. So be fair to him. Sunny and Sachin are two treasures. They showed a high standard of batsmanship, which a few others emulated. The younger lot like Rohit Sharma, Suresh Raina, Robin Uthappa, Irfan Pathan, Yuvraj Singh etc. should look at the hard work these two guys and others like Kapil Dev, Rahul Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman, Kumble and those who are acknowledged as greats have put in. These guys statement carries weight because they have been there, done it. I think if the current big mouths in the team put more effort into their cricket than in their statements, we would have a better team. Only cricketer among the younger players who impresses me is Gambhir. Personally, for me, he is the only Indian cricketer worth watching after Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman and Sehwag.
Re: Rediff Misleads
by explorer on Nov 29, 2009 03:25 PM
Did we see any cricketer completing 50 tests without doing anything? Some people might have received extra chances but they needed to prove and survive in the battle field. At the end performance always mattered. What we talk is about ifs and buts like had we included or had provided more chances to some one, he could have done same as some one else. That can never be proved. But what is proved so far is that noone survived for long without performing.
Re: Rediff Misleads
by sukumar laghate on Nov 27, 2009 06:10 PM
Dear Sir, Even I am a MAharashtrian and as Sachin Said I am also proud of it. But I am Indian first. My nation comes first. The reason why Sachin displays a Tricolour on his Helmet. I am proud of Sachin. Coming to the understanding part, people who criticise Sachin should understand what they have done for the country and even Maharashtrians first. The same people had sent "SAnjayNirupam" anti Marathi person to the Lok SAbha. There were other Non MAharashtrians who were sent to both the houses. And what was the role of the critisizing people when the Mill strike which killed the backbone of all the MAharashtrians working in the Mills and staying in the Girangaon. No one has a reply to that.
Please, Politicians leave atleast SAchin alone. He is the treasure of the nation.and Pride of MAharashtra/ Mumbai.
Re: Re: Rediff Misleads
by sukumar laghate on Nov 27, 2009 06:15 PM
Dear Sir,
Correction, Please leave both Sachin and Sunil Gavaskar alone. Both of them are National Treasure and Pride of all MAharashtrians and Mumbaikars. Both respect each other.
So lets all of us respect them and do not follow Herd Mentality of listening to the politicians
Re: Rediff Misleads
by Bolo India on Nov 27, 2009 05:54 PM
so saamna is saying that while gavaskar was prone to regional biases and Jinnah like attitude tendulkar worked truly in national interest...thanks Mr. Raut that as insightful...but i hope gavaskar won't agree to this veiled allegation ;-)
Re: Rediff Misleads
by explorer on Nov 29, 2009 03:24 PM
Did we see any cricketer completing 50 tests without doing anything? Some people might have received extra chances but they needed to prove and survive in the battle field. At the end performance always mattered. What we talk is about ifs and buts like had we included or had provided more chances to some one, he could have done same as some one else. That can never be proved. But what is proved so far is that noone survived for long without performing.
Seems like Gavaskar himself has instructed the writer to write this, as he himself can't come out openly against Sena. His silence on this uncalled praise amazed me.
Re: Gavaskar behind this
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Nov 28, 2009 06:48 PM
Not fair. You can't reply to every bit of garbage written. Gavaskar stood against rioters during the 1993 riots, so it is not fair to say that he lacks courage.
Re: Gavaskar behind this
by Bolo India on Nov 27, 2009 05:56 PM
i don't think..on the contrary if gavaskar agrees to Mr. Foolish Raut's statement...he should be ashamed of promoting regional biases and not acting in national interest!
Re: Gavaskar behind this
by Lakshmanan Sriram on Nov 27, 2009 05:32 PM
It is better that neither Tendulkar nor Gavaskar should reply Sena's blah blah. They should go on doing their business like the filthly politicians, who try to play politics in every thing.
Re: Re: Agarkar
by Sameer on Nov 28, 2009 10:35 AM
No he doesn't . Mendis broke that record. he does hold the fastest 50 and 100 wickets by an Indian ( if I am not mistaken)
Re: Re: Re: Agarkar
by abhishek mukherjee on Nov 27, 2009 05:33 PM
Sorry Mr.Bala, he was played as bowler and not as batsman....so fastest 50 wickets hold much more weight than streak of zeroes
Re: Agarkar
by Sandy Sandy on Nov 27, 2009 05:43 PM
one simple question , if Gavaskar helped marathi players to get into Indian Team , why we cant see his OWN SON Rohan Gavaskar??? Fact to be selected one has to have the talent.
Re: Agarkar
by chandan choudhury on Nov 27, 2009 05:52 PM
Agarkar i think he is a bowler with whom india started his foreign victory in adelaide 2003 against australia with no other experienced fast bowler.Whatever he did alone.See india require 5 runs,but tail i.e ishant, munaf unable to hold bat.....just look it!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Re: Agarkar
by Sameer on Nov 28, 2009 10:36 AM
@chandan -- I think Srinath was in the team with agarkar. And If I am not mistaken, Agarkar bowled one magical spell in 8 innings.
Re: Agarkar
by Jairaj Shinde on Nov 27, 2009 07:12 PM
agarkar is better than legspiner venkatesh prasad , noel david , sujith somasunder , david johnson , and many similar south players
Re: Re: Agarkar
by Sameer on Nov 28, 2009 10:39 AM
@jairaj , you conviniently forgot to mention Srinath and Kumble ?
If agarkar has had been better than Venktesh Prasad is debatable. But he was definately better than the ones you mentioned and also better than the other bolwers from all over India.
@ jairaj , you are the typical scum than causes divide among Indians.
When Sunil Gavaskar used to play for India he used to dominate Indian cricket he was like dictator in indian team even BCCI had terror by his name, i still remember one time when India team was supposed to do West Indies tour and Sunil said i would not go because of personal reason the complete tour of West Indies got cancelled. he used to select players on his wish Shastri was playing in India in some local tournament and Sunil asked him to join Indian team against NZ. and if you compare him with Sachin, Sachin is simple cricketer he doesn't involve in cricketing politics, he is kind of person who want show his dominance in team, he just want to play cricket and that he does.
Re: There is difference
by J Chandrasekhar on Nov 27, 2009 05:18 PM
All said and done, the comparoison of Sunil and Sachin is not in good taste. I think we should not fall for the strategies of cheap politicians. Sunil was a great batsman of that time. His elegance and poise while taking on the the top pace bowlers was superb. In the days when India lacked neither the pitches nor experts of pace bowling in India, Gawaskar excelled as opening bat
Re: Re: There is difference
by Rajendra Uparkar on Nov 27, 2009 05:39 PM
I fully agree. Gavaskar had played and scored heavily in Test Cricket against genuine pace boweres like Roberts, Holding, Marshall, Imran, Sarfraz, Botham, Willis etc. and quality spinners like Gibbs, Underwood, Intiquab Alam - (i) without using helment; (ii) at at time, when there were no restrictions on number of bouncers per over; (iii) at a time, when both the umpires were from host countries; (iv) at a time when the pitches abraod were more pace friendly and (v)at a time there were no code of conduct in Cricket (Taunting and verbal abuse from close-in fielders was common).
Re: Rediff Articles - Inferior
by sushil sarandkar on Nov 27, 2009 05:12 PM
That's true abhijit. Now days rediff stories are getting worst, they try to attract anti-Indians to forum by saying agni-2 night test was flopp, or on other hand they create fight between UP bihar v/s Maharashtra, North Indian v/s south indian etc. This really a bad journalism.
Re: Rediff Articles - Inferior
by Sandy Sandy on Nov 27, 2009 05:43 PM
one simple question , if Gavaskar helped marathi players to get into Indian Team , why we cant see his OWN SON Rohan Gavaskar in Indian team??? Fact - to be selected one has to have the talent.
Re: Rediff Articles - Inferior
by shelia donde on Nov 27, 2009 05:02 PM
You are inferior lets face it go abroad and try to speak only marathi and see what happens? Improve yourselves do not take the top and make it inferior like you know who use your brain if yo have one??
Re: Re: Rediff Articles - Inferior
by chingara on Nov 27, 2009 05:44 PM
boss when u will go to somebodys house you will spaek their language you will not make your a.... red.similarly if i will go to us i will speak in english & if Somebody Is Coming From Us to Mumbai I Wnt them to speak marathi
Re: Re: Re: Rediff Articles - Inferior
by Abhijit on Nov 27, 2009 04:51 PM
Saamna E paper edition is read by one million Marathis spread across whole world.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rediff Articles - Inferior
by Lakshmanan Sriram on Nov 27, 2009 05:34 PM
Probably one million words printed in read by one marathi and not otherwise
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rediff Articles - Inferior
by shekhar poddar on Nov 27, 2009 08:36 PM
alexa ranking of samna website is 75K, which means around 15-20K daily pageviews. It's very low figure. check out its popularity on mcAfee site. it's very low.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rediff Articles - Inferior
by amndn on Nov 27, 2009 04:54 PM
And that would is a tactic to increase the circulation. Everytime write something controversial. Everyone is business minded.. Thakrey' are no exception.
for years, our politicians and society in general have recommended positions in sports or jobs or whereever possible to their own casts, constituency, state etc.... and given us incompetent people at various positions.
No state, casts or any other domain can progress with incompetent people.
Re: Corruption is promoted by politicians ..........
by amndn on Nov 27, 2009 04:59 PM
Gavaskar must be very disappointed with Bal's comment. He is not exposed that he used regionalism in indian cricket not talent.
