A Leader or captain can never be judged by results only or by his /her age.
A good leader/captain is one who can make best use of resources available to him/her to produce optimum results.
That is why good captain for me are Warne (Had below average team) Kumble ( although he has most balanced team but same team was losing before he became captain) Sachin ( had average team considering Zaher was out and Baji never gave his best)
Re: Good Leader& Captain
by deewaker pandey on May 24, 2009 03:30 PM
warne n kumble r gud captain bt i m nt sure abt sachin even i m blind fan of him. i think sachin is more emotional. others dnt gets emotional n takes decision with cool mind. ys sachin is gr8est batsman no doubt.
One is arrogant egoist and the other a humble person. One who thinks if he is in the side he should be the boss and cries foul when he is removed from captaincy and completely destroys the team spirit and creates a lobby. The other takes his removal in his stride and becomes a team man and help's his team. One who before IPL was boosting that he is still fit to play international cricket both ODI's and Tests and when it comes to scoring finds himself searching for the ball bowled by fast bowlers like Fidel Edwards and keeps scoring like ZERO's and Ones mostly and the other who doesnt get selected for the national ODI team but yet keeps working hard and plays match winning knocks for his team.
Finally God decides to reward the humble and he plays a important knock in semi-finals and his team reaches the finals.
Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by Tamagna Gupta on May 24, 2009 03:18 PM
Dear Mr Sameer
You have mentioned just the IPL semis. But have u forgotten that India had lost so many ODIs mainly because of Rahul Dravid.The Bangalore team faired poorly in the last IPL mainly because of Rahul Dravid. He is so slow and was never suitable for limited overs crockets although he was good in Test cricket. His captaincy was pathetic to say the least. Remember the world cup 2007!!!. Whereas Ganguly has been a genuine match winner and has won so many matches. He was such a wonderful captain. Whenever critics like you have counted him out he has come back with bang. He is unstoppable when he is on form. In this IPL he was just out of form like many others including Sehwag, Gambhir, Jayasurya, Sachin and Smith(who was playing in his own soil !).Just one tournament is not good enough to judge a player. You have to look at complete history.
Re: Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by kareem on May 24, 2009 03:45 PM
we lost lot of odi because of dravid???!!what a finding!!at least keep mum if dosn't know cricket..can u tell me howmany maches??dhoni is the ever best batsman right??keep it up..
Re: Re: Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by Tamagna Gupta on May 24, 2009 04:04 PM
Dear Mr Kareem The number of matches which India lost because of Dravid is quite a few. Just one example-15/03/2000 againts South Africa. Now don’t tell me that you did not remember that. If u dont then then U should be the one to keep mum. But please note I have nothing against Dravid. Overall he is a fine batsman and has a very good technique. And It’s not Dhoni who is the best. Sachin is the best batsman both in ODIs and test matches. There is no doubt about that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by kareem on May 24, 2009 04:37 PM
sachin is a legend, but i don't think because of dravid we lost any mach, same way we lost because of sachin, we lost because of gaguly and all..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by gudguy on May 24, 2009 05:05 PM
Cricket is after all a sport, like any other sport we win some we loose some...we should not point out any one individual for the lose
Re: Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by gudguy on May 24, 2009 04:37 PM
I think Gupta you are right, in first edition of IPL he and LAXMAN had 3 madin overs each, and because of that these both teams (Bangalore and Deccan Charges) where bottom of the table, but this time Dravid played well, we should appriciate his contribution not much but definetly din't ate balls i.e. madin overs :) If you are making madin overs in 50 over match you are making mistake and if you make in 2020 its a crime and you are bound to loose the match as the presure increases on...
Re: Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by Sameer K on May 24, 2009 03:39 PM
Matchwinner against ?. Gangulys last 4 series were against Aust, Pak, Eng and SA (In Ireland), he could only score against weak england side, rest he couldnt face fast bowlers of SA, Aust and Pak and has a sole fifty on losing side in 12 matches. This was in 2008 !!!!!
Re: Re: Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by Tamagna Gupta on May 24, 2009 04:16 PM
Mr Sameer Please improve you memory and please acquire better statistics. Just see his entire career span beginning from 1996 and not just the lat few months. But if you are talking abaout recent history, Then please go back to the Test series against South Africa in 2007 where he scored a brilliant century in the Kanpur test on a tough wicket. Also he scored half centuries in Australia. As regards to ODIs he has not played ODIs since Jan 2008! So what kind of rubbish statistics you are presenting???
Re: Re: Re: Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by Sameer K on May 24, 2009 05:21 PM
U improve your memory. Ganguly had no century to his name against South Africa and his overall test average against South Africa in this test career is 35, against Aust is also below that against WI is also around 30 this was his TEST career.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by Tamagna Gupta on May 25, 2009 12:50 AM
Mr Sameer It seems that Ganguly is your very old enemy. I don’t know what wrong he did to u. Please note that Ganguly does have test and ODI centuries against South Africa. Now u cant play with facts!
Re: Re: Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by dhanishlass on May 24, 2009 05:01 PM
dear sameer, pls improve ur memory. last test series against pakistan he got the man of the series with one double century, two centry.
Re: Re: Re: Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by Sameer K on May 24, 2009 05:19 PM
U recall ur memory, i am not talking of flat pitches test series against pakistan. I am talking of Ganguly's second last ODI series against Pakistan at home before he was dumped after the following series against Australia.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by Tamagna Gupta on May 25, 2009 12:58 AM
Mr Sameer According to you the test series against Pakistan were played on flat pitches and hence Ganguly did well. Whereas One day matches were played on difficult pitches as compared to the test ones! Please speak sense! It seems you always have something against Ganguly.. I don’t know what wrong he did to u ! Also please remember that he was not dumped out of the side because of Non Performance.. Just before the series in Australia,the selectors decided to do away with the services of Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman in the one day matches with an eye on 2011 world cup and I think that was a step in the right direction.
Re: A Tale of 2 cricketers
by Sriram Govindarajan on May 24, 2009 03:40 PM
noone gives a damn if dravid is stripped of captaincy...coz he is no good...not the same with ganguly...coz he is the real leader, if you doubt it call up dinda...
There are people, although very few in numbers- whose only objective in life is to malign SRT. Such people belong to one or all of the following categories:
People who, unfortunately, were brought up around unhealthy environments that make them attention seekers (I mean they have been deprived of love and affection in their childhood. Such people always says just opposite to what is universally true or accepted by experts)
People who could not achieve whatever little they wanted to (Such people hate people who are best in what they do)
Cricketers (Including Indian national team) who suffer from inferiority complex because of Sachin (talking big in front of media does not always means that the person is confident—likewise, not all the actors and actress are confident)
People who are hired by players’ sponsors/agents to increase the values of their players by maligning Sachin (very cheap marketing stunt). What can I say; they are the poor souls, as they have to earn their livelihood by maligning others.
Re: Kmvb, which category you belong to?
by km vb on May 24, 2009 04:10 PM
Hi LG im belongs better to your category. May be u used to carry things as I Agarkar and belongs to same category?
Will Sunil Gavaskar or Ravi Sastri being Mumbai Zone player do advise Sachin for retirement ?
It will be very appreciable for public and all INDIAN cricket fan it Ravi Sastry and Sunil Gavaskar do the favour for the sake of watching competative cricket and winning cup for INDIA.
Re: Sachin spoiling youngsters place in ODI
by deewaker pandey on May 24, 2009 02:57 PM
y shd sachin retire frm ODI?? only bcoz of age?? he is still performing better than others. see the australian team , the yr lookin for hayden n gilly. both r aged bt bcoz of performance they r still valuable. so gv proper reason for ur statement. if some 1 wll hv caliber to take his place, then tht persone will definately get. he wll nt need ur wishes for tht. I wish sachin play world cup 2011.
Re: Sachin spoiling youngsters place in ODI
by gudguy on May 24, 2009 03:09 PM
there is only one slot in opening in one dayers, and he is holding from past 15 yeasrs and spoiled some hundreds of carriers.......we can't wait to spoil carriers like V Kohili, Pandey, Rayudu, Vijay....I heard some of them commited sucide for not getting their place in Indian team, if ppl like Sachin stays how come others get a chance...... SACHIN PLEASE THINK for a movement
Re: Re: Sachin spoiling youngsters place in ODI
by deewaker pandey on May 24, 2009 04:06 PM
hello then y nt sehwag or gautam for those waiting list?? they r waiting bcoz they copuld perform to overcome the sachin performance.
Re: Re: Sachin spoiling youngsters place in ODI
by dhanishlass on May 24, 2009 05:13 PM
without sachin we got t20 world cup. gilly and hyden still valuble. see they retaired from aus cricket team they are honest men.
Re: Sachin spoiling youngsters place in ODI
by LG on May 24, 2009 03:00 PM
There are people, although very few in numbers- whose only objective in life is to malign SRT. Such people belong to one or all of the following categories:
People who, unfortunately, were brought up around unhealthy environments that make them attention seekers (I mean they have been deprived of love and affection in their childhood. Such people always says just opposite to what is universally true or accepted by experts)
People who could not achieve whatever little they wanted to (Such people hate people who are best in what they do)
Cricketers (Including Indian national team) who suffer from inferiority complex because of Sachin (talking big in front of media does not always means that the person is confident—likewise, not all the actors and actress are confident)
People who are hired by players’ sponsors/agents to increase the values of their players by maligning Sachin (very cheap marketing stunt). What can I say; they are the poor souls, as they have to earn their livelihood by maligning others.
Re: Re: Sachin spoiling youngsters place in ODI
by km vb on May 24, 2009 05:35 PM
Hi LG im belongs better to your category. May be u used to carry things as Iike Agarkar and belongs to same category?
Re: Sachin spoiling youngsters place in ODI
by kareem on May 24, 2009 03:49 PM
well don.. good brain...i want to be a young team agaist this 1 hyden 2 gilly 3 gibbs 4 sachin 5 shain warn captain 6 kumblai 7 magrath 8 kallis 9 jayasurya then two rocks .i don't think young team can do other than pisssing..
Re: Sachin spoiling youngsters place in ODI
by gudguy on May 24, 2009 03:06 PM
You are correct, evey sachin earns 99999999999999999999999999999 $'s he still wants to play :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sachin spoiling youngsters place in ODI
by deewaker pandey on May 24, 2009 03:20 PM
they would be bt it doesnt mean tht u wll say sachin to put out frm the team widout any good reason
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sachin spoiling youngsters place in ODI
by kareem on May 24, 2009 03:50 PM
every body paly from heart and brain, but need skill..it can't be created.
CSK played a crucial innings in semis in both batting and bowling, only mistake found in this match is captain dhoni cannot hit the ball and he finds difficult to play the shot. So, pls dhoni sir dont repeat this again rest of things are find. all the best to royal challengers & decccan.
Re: Dhoni...gone a way
by gudguy on May 24, 2009 03:15 PM
viny you are correct, Dhoni plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz don't repeat in coming world cup next month....otherwise we have face defeat against bangladesh :)
Re: Dhoni...gone a way
by Ganga Rju on May 24, 2009 04:08 PM
YOU ARE BLAMING ONLY DHONI, THEIRE NO OTHER PERSON? EVEN WHAT RAINA DID, WHAT BADRINATH DID? AND CSK FAVOURATE BATSMAN HYDEN, WHAT HE DID? THIS IS A GAME ANYTHING CAN HAPPEND, DD/PUNJAB AND RAJASTAN WHATS HAPPEND? ANYWAY WISH THEM BOTH TEAM ALL THE BEST, FYI - CUP REMAIN WITH SOUTH INDIA ONLY, WHETHER CSK,DC OR BRC WHAT MAKES DIFFERENCES, WE ARE ALL INDIANS?
Re: Re: Dhoni...gone a way
by gudguy on May 24, 2009 06:19 PM
Ganga why we are blaming see the reasons, Dhoni came when fielding restrictions are there and he tried to hit a boundry only in 16th over, see others Hyden, Raina tried to hit for boundry at least once in 4 ball, it took 30 balls for Dhoni to hit a boundry. He was playing like it was test match, stelling singles :) ....its not south or north, we are pointing out once performence.
Re: Re: Dhoni...gone a way
by kareem on May 24, 2009 04:17 PM
only because of hyden chennai entered in semifinal,i was praying for dhoni because we badly need him for slow down the score rate, most of the maches we had seen same.
A Leader or captain is can not judged by results only or by his /her age.
A good leader/captain is one who can make best use of resources available to him/her to produce optimum results.
That is why good captain for me are Warne (Had below average team) Kumble ( although he has most balanced team but same team was losing before he became captain) Sachin ( had average team considering Zaher was out and Baji never gave his best)
