If Harbajhan did not utter anything racial, there is nothing to fear and the stump Camera /Micro phone transcript cannot bring in any thing new unless it has been tampered with. If Harbajhan has really uttered something objectionable, then he deserves it. let us also not forget that harbajhan is not a paragon of virtues and often mouths chicest abuses. If he is on the clear the entire nation is with him. also if he is exonerated,then the BCCI should slap defamation charges on Symonds, Hayden , Mike Proctor and the ICC.
stump microphone has picked up nothing. That will be iused as evidence. They will say that since there is no word "monkey" in the recording, bhajji is innocent.
If they had a conclusive evidence against Bhajji they could have given it to Mike Proctor at the first hearing. Now its just gimmic to hasstle even Sachin. If Sachin says he did'nt hear any thing he is at no fault. You can punish him for the stand he took. But if's and but's should not hold here. In case the stump Camera gives the evidence they want they should even increase his penalty. But if they find nothing they should- 1. Punish Symond and call him monkey as he was just monkeying around in the whole episode. 2. Mr Ricky ponting should be pulled up. He needs Btt baiting. 3. Mr Proctor should go for a trip to carribean and join Bucknor Sir. 4. Mr Hussey should take morality classes.
RE:If 's and But's
by sam on Jan 28, 2008 10:43 AM
It can be gentleman's game again if Australian will be banned from palying matches untill they clean up. They should stop sledging, cheating, begging, etc. Meaning they should stop being an australian.
RE:If 's and But's
by indira on Jan 28, 2008 10:59 AM
True. If Sachin says that he didn't hear anything, he is not at fault. As for as he is concerned he told that he didn't hear anything. That does not make him a liar. The Aussie media also making too much out of the supposedly leaked report and implying that Sachin lied about it. How come the report leaked in the first place? Something fishy about it.
if Harbhajan Singh has abused Andrew Symonds according to the accepted playing rules and regulations, then he must face the consequences of violating such rules. Nothings else matters. Nationalist jingoism cannot decide this issue.
And we should also remember that the conduct of a single person do not effect the entire nation of India. Harbhajan Singh is not a representative of 100 crore Indians, he is not Budhha. He just a ordinary man susceptible to mistake like any one of us.
So if he had done it, let him face it. It should not effect rest of us at all.
RE:Lets not be emotional
by talk cool on Jan 28, 2008 10:37 AM
MORE TO THAT....he is a 'bakra' btw bcci and icc politics. If not for that I comepletly accept what you said.
RE:Lets not be emotional
by Indian on Jan 28, 2008 10:21 AM
100% agree with you. But writing a comment and then complementing it yourself isnt that a little over the top???
RE:Lets not be emotional
by sam on Jan 28, 2008 10:28 AM
Its because he is Australian. He does this all over on the rediff site. He use Indian ID and does this all the time. Good way to catch him is to write something in hindi. If he cannot read/write hindi then we are sure that he is that Aussie troll.
All you guys have got carried away with Bhajji's so called racial abuse. BTW, monkey is no slur.
The most important point all of us have omitted & forgotten is that the white race has cleverly put ASIDE the dirty abusive language used by Aussies & all the verdicts against India by the umpires the arrogant attitute of the Aussie captain & many more things. To deviate from all these kind of abusive & bullying attitude of the Aussies, they have come out hammer & tongs against Bhajji.
To top it all, our rediff dwells in all this kind of anti Indian ploys. Just another way of trying to get more controversial.
RE:Sydney test
by Kane Smith on Jan 28, 2008 10:04 AM
Suresh if you think monkey isn't a racial slur then you really are ignorant of other cultures.
IF your so confident it isn't a racial slur, try going to America, Europe, Africa etc find a black person and call them a monkey while making monkey gestures. Make sure your health insurance is paid up as well, because you will need it.
RE:Sydney test
by sam on Jan 28, 2008 10:18 AM
what!!! monkey is no racial slur in USA or Europe. have you heard phrases "Get monkey off my back", "monkey business"? Don't you see news? even an Australin came on ground wearing monkey mask when symonds was batting.... what does that proves?? They only charge $25 fine to that person...
RE:Sydney test
by Kane Smith on Jan 28, 2008 11:15 AM
Sam did you know FIFA issued an $US87,000 fine to the Spanish Football autority after Spanish fans after they made monkey noises and gestures to black English players during a match. Calling someone a monkey has been banned at matches throughout Europe as well as it's seen as racial abuse.
RE:Sydney test
by Manish Bhatia on Jan 28, 2008 10:39 AM
I think it is the Whites(Australians) who don't understand other cultures, abuse and use filthy language as if it's business as usual and that it should not offend anyone, and then go about being "Holier than Thou"!! Monkey is one of the most inoffensive words you can use to respond to blatant sledging. I can remember calling my friends in schools "don't be such a Monkey". Since they all belonged to my race, what should they do to me?, excommunicate me from my own race for a racist comment??!! This whole episode, especially emanating from the Australians, is a complete joke and a blatant effort to continue their domination in cricket by using all means of distraction possible, since on the playing field, their test match superiority has been seriously challenged by India which has stood toe to toe with the Aussies. The Aussies time is up and India will emerge as the new test World number 1, not very long from now.
Even if some concrete evidence comes in favour of Proctor's ban order in the form of stump mic, it is no disgrace against Sachin as in any case, they have not given any credence to his statement against any abusive comment by Bhaji, If at all anybody is to be blamed for the whole issue, wud only be Mr. Proctor who is trying to prove a point aganist racial bias hurled aganist him by keeping the issue so lively against the spirit of the game, by terming mankey chant as racial, they are trying to disgrace our predecessors. Who does not know that Australia is inhabited by aboriginals from the Gandwana land and dominated by the banished criminals. Sukalp mishra
While this is a new tactic by the ICC to show their true color against Asians, I don't understand why the author should feel Sachin also can be in the dock. All he (Sachin) said was that he did not hear anything and he supported his team mate to the hilt. Ponting also did not hear anything but supported his mate. So in what way is Sachin in trouble? Mr Ashish Shukla, can you elaborate why you feel Sachin also would be in trouble?
As someone rightly pointed out, ICC had favored the aussies by postponing the hearing to 29th so that the test series goes on without any problems and Asians are penalised at the end of it. Mr Sharad Pawar, ensure that the team returns to India in case Bhajji is banned by the ICC. You got enough money for the IPL sponsorship to pay off the penalty to the Cricket Australia (who seem to be in financial trouble). And also ensure that no Australian player is signed up for the IPL commencing very soon.
RE:Stump Microphone evidence
by susheel behl on Jan 28, 2008 09:52 AM
I agree with Mr. SR Hari's views. How the fresh evidence is available now? When it was not available at the first hearing.
RE:Stump Microphone evidence
by vikash singh on Jan 28, 2008 10:04 AM
hey...what are u talking dude....false evidence means misrepresentation of facts....if sachin hasn't heard anything than he will say d same.....he can only talk of teh part in which he was involved...the part wherin he had not been involved he can't say anything...so obviously he can't be in dock....
RE:Stump Microphone evidence
by Indian on Jan 28, 2008 10:16 AM
Dont get so hyper my friend. We dont know what transpired during the hearing. What we know is that Sachin defended Bhajji...so the premise is that Sachin heard the conversation and defended Bhajji...Unlike Ponting and Gilly who clearly said they had not heard anything, we didnt hear the same thing from Sachin. The whole hue and cry has been that Proctor didnt take into consideration hat Sachin had to say, which means that Sachin defended Bhajji. Dont get me wrong, I am not Aussie and am as much Indian as you are, but if evidence trully emerges that Bhajji is guilty, all of us would have egg on our faces for creating such a ruckus, and Tendulkar will also be guilty of participating in that..
RE:RE:Stump Microphone evidence
by Vishwas Vasudev Mehendale on Jan 28, 2008 09:59 AM
Yes Dear Mr. Sharma. Rightly pointed out by you. The author Ashish Shukla seems to be an agent of ICC, does not appear to be an Indian. All indians should have faith in the other fellow Indians. We Indians are ourselves on the other side. Why and How can we say anything of this sort to others. But, that will be the decision of the ICC Referees in the Court. The Question here is why pull Sachin in the Controversy. If the author is the True Ashish of this Indian Soil, he should apologise for whatever he has written.
