RE:if bhaji did not tell anything why he should get afraid ?
by mahesh dsa on Jan 28, 2008 12:44 PM
simply because the tape could be the doctored one...
Ponting should show sportsman spirit and good gesture....Anil has withdrawn the charges against Hogg, now it is the turn of Ponting to do the same.... nOW kumble must be realising that he has taken the decision in a hurry to withdraw the allegations against HOGG....
RE:TIME OF PONTING.....
by Harishchandra Jagtap on Jan 28, 2008 11:15 AM
You can't expect sportsman spirit from any Austrialian player. They can't do it because we are well mannered and educated people than aussies. Some aussies have yet to complete their graduation. Sportsman spirit ethics can't be worked in aussies's cricket and it is historically also proved. From bodyline to sledging are all the gifts of aussies to cricket. If Ponting take back all the alligation against Bhajji then I'll be sure that seeds of sportsmanship starting to grow in Australian players which will benefits for their and world's cricket. And it will be a win of a Cricket Game - the Gentlemen's Game. But ICC told that time to take back charges against Bhujji has already passed. So you can think ......
RE:TIME OF PONTING.....
by Kane Smith on Jan 28, 2008 11:20 AM
Harishcandra can you please post the stats on Indian people who have graduated?
Given the shady nature of someo of India's players as well *cough* Azarhudin *cough* i hardly think the Indian public are in a position to preach about the spirit of on field play.
As for bodyline you do realise that was England who came up with that tactic? But why let facts get in the way of a good diatribe right :P
As for Ponting taking back the allegations the ICC have already said it's too late because the case is at the appeal process, so Ponting can't take it back because its too late.
RE:TIME OF PONTING.....
by sam on Jan 28, 2008 11:32 AM
first of all why ponting made false allegation against bhajji. Wait two more days. there is nothing in the stump microphone. Also Azarhudin was framed by ICC. ICC itself honorned him last year. That shows ICC knows he is innocent.
RE:TIME OF PONTING.....
by chris on Jan 28, 2008 11:36 AM
I could care less to be honest. with hawk eye. Australian commentators, like myself, had no problem with Ponting's filing wrong charge.
So shrug I am australian, I don't care, it's always been that way and always will be. The real shame in the matter is the sub-continent teams which have all failed at one point to accept an umpires decision and had a tantrum and not played on, or India's case at least threatened to not.
I don't know what to make of Indians, you are a particularly strange little creatures. Reddif is a circus, a peanut gallery, hang out of the unwashed masses, I come here to troll the hilariously uneducated effigy burning rabble which is the great majority of India, to which this Sydney test was a taint on their 'honor' lol.
You will never, ever, find a mainstream Australian website and its inhabitants advocating abandoning a sporting match because of umpiring decisions.
And for those who care over here, we know full well what the India media is reporting, on our cricket forums we link it and laugh at it along with the Roebucks nonsense.
RE:TIME OF PONTING.....
by robbie on Jan 28, 2008 09:07 PM
i agree with criss on one thing. bcci always complains about umpire's decisions. perth test became on india's fav cos of 2 wrong decisions from the stupid billy bowden. yet AUS dint complain. in sydney test, 3 wrong decisions against india and one against Aus. but india made all these drama.
RE:TIME OF PONTING.....
by Carlos Meneses on Jan 28, 2008 11:58 AM
My dear Chris, please accept that all along the ICC was the domain of the then "powers!!!" of world cricket and teams from the Indian subcontinent (Pakistan, Sri Lanka and India) have always been at the wrong end of ICC politics. Can you remember how many times the Australian cricketers were caught on T/V swearing and intimidating players (McGrath, Warne, Symonds etc......) and match referees particularly Mike Procter never took any action???? Sledging in cricket is an Australian art and today when they are getting it back from other teams they run to the umpires to complain. Harbajan was proving to be a thorn in the Australian hide both with his bowling as well as batting and this was the best way to get him out of the game. Also in the same game there were 11 major umpiring blunders and do you know how many went against Australia?? 2 and 9 were against India which means that 82% of the dubious decisions were against India. This Australian team is very good and does not have to rely on such tactics to win matches when it can do so on their own sporting merits but then they also want to win at any cost and the fact is that they are ready to step over the limits to win. I am curious to know what would the Australians do if they had to get 9 decisions out of 11 against them when they were playing in India!!!!!!!!! You sum up your Australianship with your first line itself that you could care less to be honest......yes we may be stange little creatures but we are ....HONEST!!
RE:TIME OF PONTING.....
by Girish Dua on Jan 28, 2008 11:55 AM
Dear Kane,
Regret you had to refer to Azhar to prove a point. But now that you have raised the issue, then we do hope you haven't forgotten Mark Waugh and Warne. Anyways, that is not the point. Well, if some new evidence has surfaced in the form of stump microphone ( though 20 days after the incident is bound to raise suspicions), let Hansen examine it and take decision as he deems fit. And even if the decision is not in our favour, then also we would respect it. But as many here have pointed out, aussies could have been more sporting on that day. They have been masters in the art of sledging and even if someone had paid them back in the same coin they should have accepted it and frankly even if Harbhajan called Symonds a 'monkey' , by no stretch of imagination, can that be construed as a racial comment. Anyway, lets leave that to Hansen to decide.
Coming to umpiring in the Sydney match, I hope you too would agree that it was sub-standard. And when 9 out of ten wrong decisions go against one side, they have every right to feel cheated and more so because those decisions played a big role in deciding the game.
RE:TIME OF PONTING.....
by sam on Jan 28, 2008 11:26 AM
first of all why ponting made a false allegation against Bhajji? there is nothing recorded in the stump microphone. Just wait two more days...
RE:TIME OF PONTING.....
by Kane Smith on Jan 28, 2008 11:35 AM
Because sam, Ponting beleived Symmons was racially abused by Singh, something Hayden and Clarke backed up. He had 3 of his players who were near Singh at the time, all saying the same thing so he was well within his right to complain if Symmons beleives he heard Singh utter a racial remark.
Given Symmons warned Singh about calling him a monkey before during that last one dayer in Mumbai (something that was confirmed by the BCCI itself i might add) then he was well within his rights to make a complaint about it given he had given Singh a warning before.
RE:TIME OF PONTING.....
by Deepak on Jan 28, 2008 11:19 AM
You may be right. As for education, i guess our players are far more educated to know what 'Maan ki' means. I dont think that is taught in a school. It is learnt voluntarily on the roads. So, does it mean that our players are post-graduates ? I am not going by just what speculations on harbhakjan, I have actually read the lips of our heroes uttering that 'famous' word on tele.
RE:TIME OF PONTING.....
by HasanAliKhan Mohammed on Jan 28, 2008 11:08 AM
its too late to withdraw the charges against Bhajji coz already ICC dicided for 3 matches ban on him. in the case of Hogg there was no such decision were teken.
There was a curious suspicion of what made Channel 9 to withdraw stump mike feed to ESPN exactly on the day of incident. It looks like they were all awaiting to do this in a professionally planned manner.
RE:Suspicious things around
by raj on Jan 28, 2008 11:38 AM
exactly. they also dont show sledging by the aussie team, and focus only on asian team's bad behaviour.
This is what is happening in to-days world - instead of owning up and burying the hatchet the game is suffering. Why is it so difficult to speak the truth ? If Harbhajan has commented he must apologise and if it is proved he had not commented then the Aussie and his team mates mut apologise and be punished for escalating this incident to this level.
so, now on wards lets open the stemp micro phone too, after every match and see whether we can accuse opponents for racial abuse. search ICC search you may get some "lip movement readers" too to make more complicated,
RE:oh, really
by raj on Jan 28, 2008 11:39 AM
its time that every single sledging by the aussie team be unearthed, let all the match - lip movement be read, and show the world the aussie blokes are no angles. nail them.
RE:only Shit
by Deepak on Jan 28, 2008 11:05 AM
what if someone called you that, or 'Maan ki' as being mentioned in favour of harbhajan by one and all in the news channels ?
RE:only Shit
by Deepak on Jan 28, 2008 11:21 AM
Interesting, one response, and that too a gaali. Desi I presume. And we are calling australians as convicts. Great going dudes.
RE:only Shit
by Bijoy Joseph on Jan 28, 2008 12:06 PM
Australians are not convicts they are shits and crying babies as said by Akram. they are gays man. Yeah that Gali was Desi :)
RE:only Shit
by Bijoy Joseph on Jan 28, 2008 11:54 AM
Yaar rediff is mad, I explaned your mail with your word and removing the word n from your word. but reported as abuse. What i meant was both of these words even if said does not mean anything if compared with the sleding done by austrialians.
If anyone needs to set this suitations normal then firstly ban sledging as that leads to all these.
Last time to i Wrote to some one asking him to explain the word B said by Hogg and Compare it with the word Monkey, and it was taken as abuse.
The Word you said and word moneky does not stand in front of the word B used by Hogg.
The issue here is whether Proctor, based on the evidence available to him at the time, judged fairly or not. New and/or fresh evidence has no merit or use here.
RE:What use new evidence?!
by Demo-crazy on Jan 28, 2008 11:07 AM
the important question is why Procter did not have access to this evidence. Another question is why transcript is to be used as evidence? Why not listen to the actual audio?
Surprisingly, no commentator on TV or any media mentioned about the avaialability of stump microphone. During the match, we never heard anything from stump microphone even before the controversial interaction between the two cricketers took place.
On the news they shown that an Australin came on ground wearing monkey mask when symonds was batting.... They charge fine of $25 to that person... what does that proves??
RE:Two monkeys on the ground or ICC is full of monkeys?
by Ravishankar None on Jan 28, 2008 11:09 AM
- What can BCCI do if all the Bajrang Dal people come to watch a match in Hanuman masks? - Also, what if ram leela troupe comes to watch the match in their make-up? - What fun!!!
These fellows r just trying to put pressure on Bhajji and rest of Indian Players..same like BCCI put pressure on Dravid,Ganguly and rest of Indian Team By announcing the one day team without them...shameful acts of Treason..BCCI should be Nationalised..
Now before the match they are putting pressure on Bhajji,Sachin by these dirty tactics...
when will Indians get some self respect and national pride...
