"Firstly, it is a fact (which, over the past 24 hours, I got confirmed by independent sources) that Harbhajan Singh, during Australia's recent tour of India, called Andrew Symonds [Images] a monkey. "
And then you go on to say :
"We believe, we will swear to on a stack of Bibles topped off by a Gita, that if Bajji had in fact said what he is alleged to have said, Tendulkar would not have sent that SMS to the board."
if there's one person who needs to make up his mind, it's you mr. panicker. it's unfortunate that this whole debate should be made into a Nationalistic, Us V/S Them Battle.
Also though i agree with some of your arguments, as an Indian, i wish you would have argued them in a more sophisticated manner - u sound like a school kid trying to retaliate criticism by your class enemy. Quite contradictory, unfortunately, to the title of your article.
RE:Make up your mind, Mr Panicker.
by JM on Jan 10, 2008 01:49 AM
Hey idiot Bhuvan Jain... -Bhajji called Symonds a monkey in India, when Aussies visited India. -Bhajji did NOT call Symonds a monkey in Sydney, Australia
Both statements are correct; no need to make up mind and choose between the two.
the great judge Mike Procter decreed that harbajan indeed did utter a most racist word - Monkey
oh my goodness - the untainted saintly trio of hayden gilchrist symonds heard him! my my
incredibly, the umpires didnt
sachin clearly said no
in spite of the absence of clearcut evidence (audio/video/umpires) Mike Procter takes the side of the accusers!
MIke Procter is as whimsical as Muhammad bin tughlaq when it comes to dishing out judgments when he ruled Rashid Latif as bringing the game to disrepute in 2003 for appealing for a grassed catch when the wicket keeper went somersaulting (and therefore may not have known if the catch was clean) but in the case of Ponting (if ever an individual without integrity lived, this is the man), and Clarke (the heir apparent, makes sense doesnt it, for all his chocolate boy looks, he is as UGLY and Aussie as they come) who clearly grassed the catch, appealed, and bumbling benson asks papa ponting for confirmation and ponting raises his index finger and voila! benson gives ganguly out!
ponting himself grassed dhoni and appealed for catch. these were catches that can have seen by the fielders since they didnt tumble or roll but that great judge Mike Procter decides that Ponting and Clarke are beyond reproach (because Mike is white, Ponting and Clarke are white, but Rashid Latif wasnt - makes sense doesnt it?)
RE:kangaroo court
by JM on Jan 10, 2008 01:51 AM
Proctor is teh racist-- has a history of ruling against brown skinned people; has never ruled against a white-skinned person!
bucknor and benson's incompetence was not uniform but selective - they chose to mow down india with their professed 'incompetence' but by omitting australia from their machinations of incompetence proved to be their freudian slip and obvious shameless and naked bias
i believe that the sydney test match was predetermined and foregone conclusion
the so-called great batsmen - ponting - harbajan's bunny, hussey failing repeatedly against spin and thanks to the umpires largesse scores 100 , and of course the most persecuted of individuals symonds - who was given so many lives by his 'foster father' bucknor that symonds should not be called a monkey, instead he should be called a cat!
india were robbed of a certain victory by not just 11 players but 3 umpires (yes the 3rd umpire was an aussie who sad to say should retire from umpiring) and one pontificating match referee
i think ugliness is in the genes of these whites - their marauding colonialism wherein they wiped out native peoples (America, Africa, Australia) - and of course, the convict genes must manifest itself somewhere thru this UGLY Australian syndrom
RE:selective incompetence
by Vishnu Sharma on Jan 10, 2008 09:31 AM
You said it. Next time Australia Tours India I will be waiting in the stands with concentrated Nitric acid and concentrated sulphuric acid and Hydro Cyanic Acid.
No words of praise would be enough to describe the poignancy of this article by you.Without beating around the bush you have as always hit right at the bull's eye. No Bob( or for that matter no Ponting, no Symmonds, no Gilchrist,no Procter) can ever have a reply for your face punching article. I only wish whether your writings could be forwarded to the BCCI!!! I only wish if the BCCI could understand even 10% of what is going on in the hearts of the indian cricketing fans. I only wish if the BCCI could understand that it is better to pay the price of not continuing the tour in terms of Money rather than in the form of selfrespect. I only wish the BCCI abides by the statement made by Tendulkar that India should not play further matches till Bhajji is given a clear chit. I only wish that the BCCI only continues the tour only after Ponting and Hussey and the rest realize and say sorry for what they have done. I only wish that even if one of my above mentioned ONLY WISH comes true it would be, like - prayers answered AND wish fullfilled.
Well done, Prem , once again for the masterpiece article. Continue to lash at the Aussies for anything that is no more than BULL SHIT( or should i say ??? KANGAROO SHIT )
Can people stop throwing the 20-20 thing out there please. As much as Australia did try and win it and didn't, we hardly cared much about it, played basically no lead up games, have no history playing it at all.
Australia and every cricket nation puts test cricket as the top prioity, 1 dayers next, and 20-20 is a bit of fun for the players and spectators alike.
But it not's very important to the players, any players. They would take the test and 1 day titles any day of the week, and I know the people throwing out the 20-20 thing all the time, would take either of those over the 20-20 title as well.
India won the 20-20, good on you, you deserved it. But please respond to the topic at hand, which isn't 20-20 hit and giggle.
RE:20-20????
by Srinivas Mandalika on Jan 16, 2008 06:07 PM
I think you make a good point, Calvin. 20-20 is a hit and giggle. Folks should not deviate from the actual issues being discussed. Its ok to have sledging, bad decisions, integrity questions raised, racism charges, abuses such as ba...d, not walking when ur out, claiming catches when they are grassed.. All this is just part of cricket... "test cricket".. yes that's what aussies really care for. Lets all of us stick to that and respond and discuss that issue rather than the 20-20 giggle. Im just wondering if you'd be as vociferous in calling 20-20 a giggle if aussies had won it? Its just taken off sometime from now now if it becomes as popular or ahead of 1 days.. wd u still say that ? ..I dont think anyone can answer that in positive as of date. If you do then I smell sour grapes.
If you want to read a fairly balanced arguement from the Indian perspective, read Sambit Bal's article on Cricinfo called "Questions from Sydney". It doesn't reallly go into the way Indians Board have respinded, but that's another issue.
If this were the type of words coming from India, we would all be on your side.
RE:Balanced argument
by Sikandar Mala on Jan 09, 2008 08:26 PM
calvin - Rediff is NOT the voice of India, please remember that!! Your point is very much valid and i resepect your arument[s]/comment[s], however, it is time for both parties [aussies and indians] to show their honesty/talent/respect on the ground!! We all wasted lots of energy and time on this issue which has no ending ....other than just play good cricket!!
Ther is no sarcasm in my response mate! it's high time we play and enjoy the sport!
RE:Balanced argument
by raj on Jan 09, 2008 10:26 PM
oh well, there's a bunch who think it is :) thats ok. however much we try and thrash it out here, things are different on the field. rediff boards are sometimes crazy with a lot of emotions. unfortunately, a lot of aussies i see and opine here think india is pretty much like effigy burning, message board spamming ones. well, good for them if they cant understand a complex country, cos it does not make a difference. for better or for worse, india's pretty slow to change in a lot of things, and we still have a lot of teething problems. anyways, im tired of speding time on these boards too. any constructive argument is met with single pointed propaganda. all the very best :)
RE:Balanced argument
by Sikandar Mala on Jan 09, 2008 10:54 PM
Raj.. i am with you! bottomline for us is to prove it on the ground! i sincerely hope our team delivers it! that's all i can ask/pray for!! Rest is on umpiring:) err..as someone said, you have three people to beat - yourself, your opponent, and the Ref!! This applies in majority of the sports.....howover, we should be good enough to beat even a ref!!
I am sure Steve Bucknor has an attitude problem. It is evident by the way he handle the players especially Indian Players. He takes a typical Head Master attitude towards them. In one of the recent matches ( probably against Pakistan ) Shrisanth made a strong appeal for an LBW decision. Bucknor as usual was taking ages to give a verdict and Srisnath kept on appealing till that time but Bucknor simply snubbed him off as if he is aschoolboy just because he continued his appeal till such time Bucknor gave a decision. Well if Mr Bucknor takes ages to make up his mind then Shrisanth also has he right to appeal for ages.
I posted this and it disappeared - will the same happen again?
Over the course of the last few days, many Indian supporters have said that the Australians are cheats, that Clarke wouldn't walk when he edged to slip, etc etc.
Many even said the Aussies cheat so much they wouldn't even walk when clean bowled! That's what makes this so funny. Go to you tube and search for Harbhajan Pietersen. What will you find you ask?
1) Pietersen is bowling gentle offies in an ODI 2) Harbhajan plays forward and is beaten 3) The ball smashes into off stump 4) Harbhajan stands there 5) The English celebrate 6) Harbhajan stands there 7) Pietersen says "don't you walk when you're bowled?" 8) Harbhajan eloquently says "f you" 9) Koertzen refers it to the 3rd umpire to resolve the apparent confusion 10) Every replay shows the ball hitting the middle of off stump, 2/3rds of the way up.
Now I make it clear again that I found the Australians' behaviour distasteful - without class, grace or any form of decency. But isn't it amusing to think about the delicious irony?
ALso, has anyone heard the latest one - apparently lipreaders speaking Hindi have deciphered Ishant screaming "the worst word you can use in the language" at Bucknor after he didn't give Symonds out.
Yes, the Australians behaved without class but I can't help but be amused at these revelations! One of my first comments on this forum was that people shouldn't throw stones in glasshouses.
RE:Pots and Kettles
by Why Care on Jan 09, 2008 04:33 PM
Classic case of comparing apples with oranges. Citing a single isolated incident to justify systematic cheating done by an entire team to win a game. Never in the history of test cricket has so many things gone wrong during a single test match.
And keep looking for such incidents, in the end you'll see that it will take the combined inequities of at least a 100 tests to equal those of the one played in sydney.
RE:Pots and Kettles
by raj on Jan 09, 2008 04:38 PM
true. but if only they accept it. the whole worlds' joining the chorus , including dickie bird to remove bucknor, there might be a few against it - but its more like they are trying to say india's trying to dominate world cricket. but, the point is no other test team had to endure so much nonsense in one test match.
but, sadly, if only the aussie team would give it a semblance of a respect to say that "yeah, yu've been at the recieving end of some pretty unfair decisions". but , they chose to stoke the fire. i see plenty of trolls around the board, toying around with people's rage, just cos they are good with english, while sadly not many here are on the indian side. i wish our wordsmiths would come around for some verbal jugglery and stick it to them too :P
RE:Pots and Kettles
by Why Care on Jan 09, 2008 04:48 PM
Yes, and then these trolls try to create a semblance of balance and impartial opinion by saying this like "i too believe aussies behaved badly" and things like that.
Abd the one went to such desperate lengths to dig out the Harbhajan video should be shown the video in which Healy was caught dislodging the bails with his gloves!
RE:RE:Pots and Kettles
by Why Care on Jan 09, 2008 04:44 PM
Ishant and lipreaders-- Ishant said that while walking away to start his run up, when he kicked the ground in frustration. How do you know he said that to Bucknor- when he was not even looking at him or wasn't even in his field of vision?
