This board is about the most fun to troll that I have experienced in my trolling career, thanks for the laughs. Seriously though, you all take a game far to seriously, lighten up and enjoy it. To the guy earlier with the Indian world domination to come, 10/10 if that was a troll effort. Take care and learn to laugh.
RE:so fun to troll
by raj on Jan 09, 2008 04:17 PM
true. Ive seen plenty of aussie trolls doing their best to troll around. half of the people are venting their anger after being hard done for, and you are stoking the fire. great troll diplomacy! australia im sure is going to be one very popular country!
RE:Pots and kettles
by Calvin Corser on Jan 09, 2008 04:08 PM
Hey mate, I admire your determination in trying to point out the blatantly obvious. But they don't want to see it, and by they I don't mean Indians, I mean all the conspiracy theorists out there, the people who think being Australian (and the world champions) you must be bad and get all the decisions, or can have anyone you like given out or suspended at your simple request.
Australia win because they are the best TEAM. They won 16 tests (going on 18) in a row, won 3 world cups in a row, have hardly lost a test series anywhere for the best part of 10 years, because simply they are the best TEAM.
They play hard, but within the rules, and when they break the rules they get punished just the same as everyone else.
But no-one here wants to see that, and sure as hell don't want us to tell them.
Let them sit back and believe the world is against them, let them think the world owes them something, let them try and drag the best down to their level, because maybe that helps them sleep at night. Instead of doing what champions should do, and get off their backsides and showing the world what they're made of. The choice is theirs. And most of them have unfortunately already made it. Indian cricketers included.
RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by raj on Jan 09, 2008 04:35 PM
Good on you, mate! on all those victories, you are the most successful team! welcome back corser!
there's something the aussie team will never win, admiration. admiration for the statistics, and the powerplay sure. hayden is one hell of a batsmen when he's going. cool! gilchrist is spectacular (oh well, ive got a soft corner for gilly, he's a dude, and great behaviour too, same with lee). but all that snarling in the middle of the pitch the rest of them. sorry , nope no brownie point. i guess yu dont need 'em anyway!
RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Calvin Corser on Jan 09, 2008 04:48 PM
My point is, we are more than a player as we've proved by the loss of the of greats of all time. The Australian team will prevail, because we strive for it, we don't complain that we lost because of this or that, we go out and prove we're the best.
Australia lost the ashes in 2005, and how did they respond? That is the act of a champion, and I've never seen that from any Indian team ever. To win when everything is against you, and people tell you you can't, isn't that the most satisfying? Just as much as it is to have people try and knock you down, pull you down to their level, that you can rise about it and win anyway???
Simple fact is India could have, but again didn't. I will say again that Australia's behaviour wasn't good, but instead of holding their head high, they responded in kind and lowered themselves to the level of the Australians tactics. But the one Australian thing they didn't do, was find a way to save the game, they buckled under the pressure.
The world would love to see india fight back and show us all what they're made of, but they've showed us before how they respond to adversity, the same way most of you are. And until that changes you will never be the best or the might righteous. All the talent in the world can't overcome that.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Why Care on Jan 09, 2008 04:56 PM
You seem to be miserably incapable of noticing the difference here. Or maybe do see it, but like the other aussie pi^gs are not willing to accept it.
Austrlia LOST the Ashes to England, they were not MADE TO LOSE by employment of unfair means and outrageous umpriring decisions. That's the difference we're talking abt here.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Dipal Ejardar on Jan 09, 2008 07:31 PM
written Like a true aussie Calvin! There are so many arguments and counter arguments that you can go on to make. But the one chance that India had was marred by the umpires. While one does not dispute the fact that the aussies are formidable, they were for once on the mat and that could have defined this series. The way this entire cricket series could have gone. We have always been the first to get back at our cricketing heroes when they don't perform. But this time it was certainly worse than ever and it hurts even more because the arrogance just comes through... even in your writing!
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Calvin Corser on Jan 09, 2008 05:50 PM
If most teams were 134-6 and 32-2 they would lose I agree, Australia did not, and have come back from such positions many times. That is why we dominate world cricket.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Why Care on Jan 09, 2008 05:26 PM
It's not abt decisions that could've gone either way. It's abt decisions beyond a shadow of a doubt that went in australia's favor. Why don;t you search the annals of cricket and show me a match where so many decisions have gone against one team.
And as I have said again and again, and anyone who has seen the match knows it very well, at 134-6 and 32-2, victory seemed imminent for India, and it was exactly at those junctures that suddenly umpires became oh-so-human (after all to err is human is what they say).
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Why Care on Jan 09, 2008 05:38 PM
The way you self-proclaim to be champions is a reflection on the aussie teams psyche, as well. and so desperate they were to hang on to this champion tag, that once would not wanna let it slip away at any cost. and when it did, they resorted to cheating.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Why Care on Jan 09, 2008 05:32 PM
Yes, champions rise above defeats and prevail- but aussies prevailed by using dishonest means. they could not rise above their 20/20 defeat, and the behavior they display is hardly one expected of champions. aussie team lacks the character to be called champions.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Dipal Ejardar on Jan 09, 2008 07:57 PM
Also lets take Ricky Ponting's catch as an example. Whilst TV replays showed that he had clearly grounded the ball, he was adamant and downright arrogant in saying that he was clean on that. Also he repeatedly was saying that since he had, in the earlier inning, disclaimed a catch he had every right in this case to claim one and therefore prove his integrity. I say, are you counting how many you got right and therefore how many you can claim? If he has such integrity then why didn't he just walk after nicking the ball to the keeper off Saurav? Was he scared taht he might not equal the record created by his predecessor?
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Calvin Corser on Jan 09, 2008 05:15 PM
Thanks for the abuse, it really helps your argument.
Show me a test match where there isn't at least one decision that could go either way? The umpiring was poor, as every simple Australian on this site has agreed to, but you don't want to see that.
What i and everyone else is saying. If you're good enough, you will still prevail anyway. The fact that you have to blame the umpire for the fact you didn't draw a game I find disappointing. I would want to hope you would be trying WIN, not draw the game. And at no stage did India ever look like doing that. yes Symonds got a call in his favour in the 1st innings, and made you pay. Are you one-eyed enough to believe that india don't get the same calls at other times???
The umpires are human, and yes make mistakes, some are better than others, and sometimes your team gets the bad calls... It's called sport, and it's always been that way. the thing is the champions rise above it, and prevail anyway. They make they are in position to win, even when things go against them, because they will.
Do you think Australia has won all those games in the past 10 years by getting all the 50-50 and bad calls go their way? Of course not, but they win anyway. Umpiring, pitch conditions, retirements, the way the wind blows, it doesn't mater, the champion will prevail. And India will probably lose 4-0 no mater who umpires the games.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Dipal Ejardar on Jan 09, 2008 07:39 PM
Do you by the way think that the domination by the australians is necessarily good?... It just goes to show the thinking process!!! see there is absolutely nothing wrong in winning at all costs. But at some point one will cross the line and that will define to what limit you can go to win... I think that limit is now drawn. It is for everyone to see...
RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by raj on Jan 09, 2008 04:54 PM
well, when the chips were down, remember the kolkota test, how we bounced back ? to win when everything is against you in fact we came back from a follow on!
well, in the face of so many bad decisions, and everything else, we did last till the final over. what happens when on the last day yu are given out even if you are not ? ganguly and dravid could have easily saved the day. they dint complain, they had played on! well, the last over, i dont blame the part time batsmen - sometimes they do - like in the first inngs, sometime they dont - on a 5th day track, kudos to clarke for getting it in favour of australians.
we'd love to see a fightback, from our team. even though we are pretty short of quality bowlers, most of them injured. we still will play. its not the play we are shirking from. its the stupidity or the audacity of people like bucknor to continue with the game without even apologising after the match, he got it so so wrong, and yet, he stays still as if nothing happened. imagine, so many nerves would have been soothed if he tried to pacify the indians that ok i had a bad in the office, or rather a bad week in the office. but no, indians deserve no stinking apologies, or he felt below his dignity to bow down for his mistakes.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Calvin Corser on Jan 09, 2008 05:20 PM
Yes I do recall that test, it was very impressive batting, and ended our last run of 16 test wins in a row.
Low on bowlers you say, we lost Warne and McGrath to retirement, but do you hear us using it as an excuse???
RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Why Care on Jan 09, 2008 04:31 PM
Classic case of comparing apples with oranges. Citing a single isolated incident to justify systematic cheating done by an entire team to win a game. Never in the history of test cricket has so many things gone wrong during a single test match.
And keep looking for such incidents, in the end you'll see that it will take the combined inequities of at least a 100 tests to equal those of the one played in sydney.
RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by raj on Jan 09, 2008 04:38 PM
true. but if only they accept it. the whole worlds' joining the chorus , including dickie bird to remove bucknor, there might be a few against it - but its more like they are trying to say india's trying to dominate world cricket. but, the point is no other test team had to endure so much nonsense in one test match.
but, sadly, if only the aussie team would give it a semblance of a respect to say that "yeah, yu've been at the recieving end of some pretty unfair decisions". but , they chose to stoke the fire. i see plenty of trolls around the board, toying around with people's rage, just cos they are good with english, while sadly not many here are on the indian side. i wish our wordsmiths would come around for some verbal jugglery and stick it to them too :P
RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Calvin Corser on Jan 09, 2008 04:39 PM
There is an old saying in Australia "that the squeaky wheel gets the most grease", and basically means the people who complain the most get their way in the end, well I sure as hell hope not here.
Because you are not hard by, there is no world conspiracy theory, no-one is out to get you, it's called paranoia. And as soon as you figure that out, and work out it was a few bad umpiring decisions (and yes poor but legal behaviour by the Australian team) and nothing more, the better off you'll be. And the better your cricket team will play.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by raj on Jan 09, 2008 04:46 PM
true buddy. that same quote can be applied to aussie team too. the ones who psyche the umpires the most and get their decisions in their way. most commentrators have opined that, the australians are luckier with appealing than most others. and someone with a lot of grease, mr. bucknor's ready dole it out to the aussie or any other opponent, just cos he's been biased in the past, and also maybe his hands are a bit fuddly as he's caught on with age!
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by raj on Jan 09, 2008 04:59 PM
i agree with you. well, i shudder to think of it. several years back he was one the 3 favourite umpires i liked - dickie bird, good ol' chubby shepherd, and bucknor. things changed after that tendulkar decision. i dont blame bucknor. he's pretty old. i dont blame the aussie team for the poor decisions, i blame the icc for mishandling the situation and inflaming the indians even more by not agreeing mid-match that there were a few bad decisions that dint go the indian way.
we are not devils here as many aussie blokes are making out to be. musch of the indians are as usual the shy reticent types, who arent around opining.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Pots and kettles
by Calvin Corser on Jan 09, 2008 04:50 PM
Bucknor is past it, and not the great unpire he once was, and I think it's his time to step aside. But he not under our or anyones control. He is just an aging man, who's ability is on the wane. Nothing more.
RE:new indian test league
by jason dooley on Jan 09, 2008 03:53 PM
Australians weren't the ones calling someone a monkey as a racial slur, were they? And they don't "call themselves the best", they ARE the best. Indian NEVER live up to there potential and the spectators look with one eye and scream to the heavens that they SHOULD be number #1. But they aren't are they, except in 20/20 backyard cricket.
RE:RE:new indian test league
by Why Care on Jan 09, 2008 03:57 PM
Australina never called anyone a money. They called them black monkey. Did you cry foul or go on with your anti-racism rants then? Why is only now that you complain? And once again, if 20/20 is backyard cricket, how come the best team in the world ended up losing to teams like zimbabwe?
And your comments are a give away, that it's humiliation from the defeat at the hands of India in 20-20 cuz of which the aussie arses are on fire.
RE:new indian test league
by pooja verma on Jan 09, 2008 04:14 PM
WE R PROUD TAT OUR TEAM INDIA DOESNT CHEAT TO WIN.IF IT LOSES WE ACCEPT IT.WE RESPECT OUR PLAYERS.WE R HAPPY THE WAY WE ARE.U NEED NOT COMMENT ON OUR TEAM'S POTENTIAL.
RE:new indian test league
by Why Care on Jan 09, 2008 03:54 PM
I told you to give and go home, and get a burn cream from the pharmacy. you reported my message as abusive...haha....what a wuss! u're a true reflection of the behavior of the aussie cricket team!
RE:new indian test league
by jason dooley on Jan 09, 2008 04:04 PM
actually, I did not report any comment or thread. Had that done to me all day yesterday by Indian supporters who couldn't stand an opinion different to there own. Each has the right to speak there mind
RE:new indian test league
by Michael Mammen on Jan 09, 2008 05:41 PM
I was being labelled Mr. Monkey, Mr. Monkey Michael, christian zealot, traitor, white trash etc etc yesterday. But notwithstanding that I'm Indian, clearly I've got thicker skin than others around here. Amazing how many of my posts were reported for abuse, then eventually reinstated by the moderator!
I'm still working out why India loves T20 so much? The BCCI came out and flatly said they wouldn't participate, didn't support it, thought it was bad for cricket. Then they won a few games and suddenly it's the best thing since sliced bread!
Why Care - if you want matches with many more deliberately biased decisions against a visiting side, look at the old Pakistan vs England footage on youtube.
Also, though not even close to Sydney, there were a heap of bad decisions (inside edge LBWs, caught behinds given when not out, etc almost all against Australia) But not a word was mentioned, it was copped on the chin and Australia vowed to bounce back.
Further Why Care, if Harbhajan's past conduct in saying monkey is irrelevant to present conduct, why is Healy's behaviour relevant to anything? Surely only the personalities involved now are relevant?
All I want is an admission that both teams have misbehaved in the past and misbehaved in Sydney - is that too much to ask?
It seems like everything seems fair to Australians if in the end they get to win a contest.
Human errors during umpiring is not something new, but if out of 10 umpiring blunders, 9 are against one side, and the opponents are Australia, then the possibility of foul play cannot be ruled out from the host side.
This is specially true in wake of the humiliation suffered by so-called World Champs, at the hands of India, in 20-20 World Cup. I am sure that they are still licking their wounds from the same.
Also, it seems like the copyright for riling and provoking opposition players, cheating, and lying unashamedly have been bouhgt by Australian cricket team. And also, for them, aggression is a great thing if they are giving it to someone, but difficult to stomach, when they are at the receiving end.
What a bunch of hypocrites this Australian team is!! The saying, "As the Captain so the Team" rings 100% true here.
RE:Bravo!!
by jason dooley on Jan 09, 2008 03:36 PM
20/20 is backyard cricket. Come back when you harden up enough to play with the bigboys in the test arena.
RE:Bravo!!
by Why Care on Jan 09, 2008 03:48 PM
And the so-called world champions lost to teams like Zimbabwe in what is suppose to be abckyard cricket.
And why don't you counter argument with argument, and reason with reason, instead of making irrational and irrelevant comments like the one above?
RE:Bravo!!
by jason dooley on Jan 09, 2008 03:57 PM
Because Australian don't care about 20/20. Its a cheap gimmick of a game that is a cross between baseball and a rock concert. The test arena is where is matters and if you don't know that then you are not much of a REAL cricket fan.
RE:Bravo!!
by Why Care on Jan 09, 2008 04:02 PM
You self-patronizing a*hole, how do I know I don't know what's REAL cricket and what's not? And we know what Australia did when they saw there was no other way to recover from 134-6.
And if 20-20 is a gimmick, then just don't partake of it? Don't come back to say "we don't care" after having lost to teams like Zimbabwe.
RE:RE:Bravo!!
by pooja verma on Jan 09, 2008 04:28 PM
australian team doesnt know the meaning of respect.look wat they did when they won the champions trophy in INDIA.they didnt show the respect to BCCI PRESIDENT MR SHARAD PAWAR. ur so called champions team has lost to zimbabwe in 20-20 n still if u call 20-20 a backyard cricket,then ur champion team doesnt know to win 20-20.n next time i wont be surprised if u write tat 20-20 is a great game(if austaralia wins the next edition) coz u ppl respect the game only which ur country has won.
RE:Bravo!!
by raj on Jan 09, 2008 04:42 PM
lols, jason. case of sour grapes perhaps, cos aussie folks lost when they were supposed to be the best. haha! well, sorry, mate yuve gotta respect it for 2 years until yu get your time to win that cup. indians were not supposed to win that cup, indians werent even on the same page as regards the way the game is played. however, by a combination of individual brilliance we won. the aussie team is always great team work. this time they lost. they are still the one day and test side to beat. however, if yu dont credit that victory to indians, im sorry its a case of being sore losers!
RE:RE:Bravo!!
by pooja verma on Jan 09, 2008 04:28 PM
australian team doesnt know the meaning of respect.look wat they did when they won the champions trophy in INDIA.they didnt show the respect to BCCI PRESIDENT MR SHARAD PAWAR. ur so called champions team has lost to zimbabwe in 20-20 n still if u call 20-20 a backyard cricket,then ur champion team doesnt know to win 20-20.n next time i wont be surprised if u write tat 20-20 is a great game(if austaralia wins the next edition) coz u ppl respect the game only which ur country has won.
Aussie cricketers are a bunch of wimps & eunuchs. They try to win matches by bullying other teams. When a team gives it back to them in equal & more measure their own medicine, these wimps go running to the match referee. The match referee Mike Proctor was an apartheid era cricketer. He was one of the supporters of apartheid regime & is a racist himself. Obviously this racist referee will only support another white team. If now India uses its financial power to bend the ICC to its will, Aussie wimps will protest, coz they never thought the day will come when the brown guys will be calling the shots in the game of cricket. Guys just as u guys hide behind the nuclear umbrella of US & justify US attacks on other countries as the right of US to do as it wishes since it is powerful, get used to the same in cricket where from now on India shall call the shots & those who cannot digest it can get the hell out. Soon the same shall also be replicated in the political, economic & military fields where India will call the shots & the other had better dance to our tune or else be ready to face the music. Chak De India. Our tryst with Destiny is soon approaching. The world had better get out of the way coz nothing can stop a billion plus people from taking the rightful place as the most indispensible & most important country in the world. Aussies & other wimps who cannot take what they have dished out to other for so long can go & drown in the Indian Ocean for all we care.
