dont insult the australins by comparing the australians with the 83 west indies, the west indians are incomparable, ponting has the gall to make disparaging remarks on the batting of sunil gavaskar who has a batting average of 65.45 against the West Indies, who possessed a four-pronged fast bowling attack regarded as the most vicious in Test history and that too without a helmet
RE:dont compare
by Super User on Oct 13, 2007 01:33 PM
How is Ponting wrong is responding to Gavaskar's comments which were not very complimentary of his (Ponting's) team. Infact Gavaskar's comments had an undertone of "sour grapes" for he referred. Ponting only ridiculed Gavaskar's record as a captain, where he quite frankly screwed up India by looking to draw every game.
Gavaskar may be a great batsman but sadly not a great sportsman. He had quite a negative mindset which was the main source of argument between Him and Kapil Dev who was perhaps the most positive minded cricketer that India has produced.
Also it was in very bad taste that Gavaskar decided to poke fun of Hookes who died in tragic circumstances, to which Ponting responded back with equal ferocity.
RE:dont compare
by A Venkatesh on Oct 13, 2007 02:42 PM
Yes That's right? The Windies Team in 1983 is incomparable. They are the Legends in Pace Bowling.
There is only one match winner in Indian Team - Yuvraj Singh. On his day he can win the match on his own provided that there is some body on other end to stick.
Others are can make few runs but that never going to be enough. Take Sachin he will make 50 in every 3 matchs but 99 % India will loose same with Saurabh & Dravid, Robin Utthapa has weakness when the ball is pitched up & swinging, Dhoni is only good against spinners & medium pacers, to beat teams like Aus you nees 4-5 match winners who can won the match on there own.
RE:Only One Match Winner In Indian Team
by Paul Rufus on Oct 13, 2007 12:57 PM
Boss, Yuvraj has been playing for last 7 yrs. How many matches he has one. He has that attitute problem and he is mighty inconsistant. He has the talent but talent alone will not take u anywhere. See Clarke he has the same talent as Yuvraj but he has done the hard work Yuvraj can never do. Can u wait for seven yrs to a player to blossom I am afraid not. Yuvraj, will always be remembered as a great talent but never played to his potential and yes on his day he will matches for the country but they will be few and far inbetween.
RE:Only One Match Winner In Indian Team
by samir khokhar on Oct 13, 2007 01:08 PM
stupid,how can you say that he has not done hard work.15 man of the matches and 4 man of the series awards can not be get without hard work.he was batting majority time at 5,6 or 7 no position.
RE:Only One Match Winner In Indian Team
by Tushar on Oct 13, 2007 01:12 PM
Yuvraj Singh is a match winner & a classy left-hander ,but your obsession with Yuvraj smacks of regional bigotry & nuthing else.It's because of people like you that Indian cricket is down in the dumps.
RE:Only One Match Winner In Indian Team
by Chandra Paul on Oct 13, 2007 01:46 PM
i think you forgot that our great little master blaster Sachin Tendulkar, who has maximum runs in ODI and other records, he took 70 matches zo find his 1st century. At that time nobody that he will break allmost all records. But one World Cup is missing from the bags of our great trio (sachin, sourav, dravid) ...
RE:Only One Match Winner In Indian Team
by Tushar on Oct 13, 2007 12:59 PM
And, his good days are few and far between.:-) Well , no doubt he is a match-winner, but one player does not win you matches.I believe a good team where everyone contributes is what we need.We don't need super-stars like politician Sourav, and century-hitter Sachin Ton-dulkar. The T20 team was a superb team, without the trio.I don't know why the selectors brought them on.
RE:Only One Match Winner In Indian Team
by Karunakar Patil on Oct 13, 2007 01:31 PM
Mr Gupta ,
Your memory & Knowledge of the game are very weak. Sachin In nine matches in UK & Irland made six 50's most of them near 100's and won series opposite South africa and 3 matches opposite England . You cannot compare Yuvraj With him. Yuvraj till now cannot make his place in test team . In one day also his avg is very poor.
RE:RE:Only One Match Winner In Indian Team
by Karunakar Patil on Oct 13, 2007 01:45 PM
And Yuraj Has made eight 100's & thirty 50's that makes 38 innings of 50 in 188 matches. That means Yuvraj is making one 50 in 5 matches at 36.4 avg which is very poor compare to one day greats Richards , Sachin , Baven ,Hyden , Greenidge. He has miles to go . He Cannot play genuin Fast Medium balling when ballers , pitch is fresh that is why he sent at 4 or down.
RE:RE:RE:Only One Match Winner In Indian Team
by Chandra Paul on Oct 13, 2007 01:50 PM
comparing a person batting at 1st position and a person batting at 5th position is not correct. can you tell how much did he score when he batted 5th down, what is his average..??
I think Twenty20 win was simply a fluke. Aussies have shown it in one dayers and they will show it in test matches. Perhaps Dravid sensed it in advance and decided to resign as captain in advance.
RE:Current one day series with Aussies
by ralph nader on Oct 13, 2007 12:43 PM
quite right--the electronic media nad some team members were after him--if you remember the england tour--every action would be questioned or dissected why we batted or bowled first why we did not bat or bowl first field placements why X bowled last over compared to all this dhoni has got away with murder!!!
RE:Current one day series with Aussies
by anil babladi on Oct 13, 2007 12:44 PM
Losers whine about their loss while winners do their job. So, you should give credit to the win of T20.
This team is so much better than WINDIES,because those days there were only 3 or 4 teams other than WINDIES to play top level cricket,then they had SLanka and Newzeland,the fav whipping boys of most teams.And still WINDIES won only twice and lost to India in 1983 Whereas AUS have WON WCUP 4 times 1987 1999 2003,2007(Without losing a single match in looooooooong tournaments) Been winning Test series after series since 1995,only black spot was not winning in India,but they broke the jix in 2004,and winning so many ODI tournaments(even in subcontinent for gods knows how long) All we did was win the 20-20 tournament after 24 years without a WCUP win,and talk as if Aussies are spent force and we r numero unos.. I hate when these mediocre players who are not even in the team most of times like Bhajji say Aussies are beatable everytime we beat them after like 20 Defeats or so,now what nonsense is that,one swallow doesnt make a summer,one ODI defeat and Auss are beatable,what happened in WCUP(2007)... Every team can be beaten on some days,but to dominate for this long is unimaginable.. Just see the head to head of our vs Aus in ODIs since 1980s till now,it is such a shame,yea in Tests we held the record in India but still those series were close,but that also was broken in 2004,but in AUS we always end up losing 3-0 and we won 1 test in 2003 without Mcgrath,Warne and started calling ourselves number 2 team and then what happened to us is history.. We do all the talking and then say
RE:RE:not over
by milin on Oct 13, 2007 12:52 PM
Can't u observe the writing on the wall. It is clear that the dominance of Aussies is final and I hope that in the remaining two matches , they will win. No doubt Aussies are truly professional while we are not
RE:RE:RE:not over
by saurabh sharma on Oct 13, 2007 01:20 PM
Milin u knw what a cricket team is only made from ppl of the country..it does come from moon..so if ppl like u who r not professional then how can the team be professional...if every decison of the captain and team is scrutanised 24*7 then how can team proper.they win a match ande ppl say they are the best...and they lose then they are worst...u r playing with aussies for christ sakes..give them some lee way....be professional first the comment on players.....They are the best whoi r playing fo rus..the let them do their job and we do our own!!!!!
RE:not over
by saurabh sharma on Oct 13, 2007 01:20 PM
Milin u knw what a cricket team is only made from ppl of the country..it does come from moon..so if assholes like u who r not professional then how can the team be professional...if every decison of the captain and team is scrutanised 24*7 then how can team proper.they win a match ande ppl say they are the best...and they lose then they are worst...u r playing with aussies for christ sakes..give them some lee way....be professional first the comment on players.....They are the best whoi r playing fo rus..the let them do their job and we do our own!!!!!
This is a better team than 1983. Also, we lost 5-0 to WI that time but this time we have managed to take at least 1 match and I feel in the end, we will manage to win one more.
There are similarities in our 1983 WC victories and 2007 20-20 victories. Although we beat WI in 1983 and Australia in 2007 WCs respectively, these victories were mere upsets. In spite of losing to India in 1983, there was no doubt in any cricket fan's mind that WI were the best team at that time, it just happened that India had a good day (& WI had a bad day on that particular finals). Same can be said after our 20-20 win against Australia. Although India's performance in the 20-20 WC was more convincing than that in the 1983 60 over WC, there was no reason to question Aussie supremacy in the 50 over version. Thus there is no need to be surprised by the say this series has been turning out.
RE:Better team than 1983
by anil babladi on Oct 13, 2007 12:54 PM
Bharath, let me reiterate your point here "1983, there was no doubt in any cricket fan's mind that WI were the best team at that time, it just happened that India had a good day (& WI had a bad day on that particular finals)." Can you not say the same about India's loss to Bangladesh?
RE:Better team than 1983
by HariOm Chawla on Oct 13, 2007 12:40 PM
No, this team is not better than the 1983 team. That team was filled with alrounders - Kapil Dev, Ravi Shastri, Roger Binny, Balvinder Sandhu, Madan Lal, Mahender Amarnath, Kirti Azad. This team has no alrounders. After our six batsmen, the whole team can collapse without addition of even a single run. Then Kapil Dev could change the course of a lost match (Remember his innings against Zimbave), In the 5th ODI, there was not a single batsman who could resist even at home ground and take the inncings to the desired conclusion.
In our team, we desperately again need the match winners/all rounders/finishers like Kapil Dev, Mohinder Amarnath, Ravi Shastri and others. At present, we do not have even a single all rounder.
RE:RE:Better team than 1983
by anil babladi on Oct 13, 2007 12:55 PM
That was the problem, we did not have any jack. We only had all rounders, people who did not a bit of everything not all of something and bit of others.
RE:Better team than 1983
by Paul Rufus on Oct 13, 2007 01:10 PM
That was a different era, game has changed a lot, have u see those players in action leaving kapil rest were morons as far as the fielding was concered. Srikant was hailed as best fielder in 1983 and not same kind of fielding is normal is todays cricket. Binny, sandhu,madan lal would be taken to cleaners had they been bowling today. This side anyday is better then 1983 team
i think captaincy is going to Dhoni's head--look at his nonchalant attitude--he's talking through his hat after just one win against the mighty australians.Mr Dhoni--stop your walking on the ramp, concentrate on cricket--beware of politics--the public is very unforgiving--if you dont perform you might not be in the team itself--look what happnd to sehwag who shld have donned the mantle!
RE:RE:captaincy
by Udayendu Lahiri on Oct 13, 2007 12:26 PM
Nobody notices that Dhoni is failing to make clean collection behind the stumps. It serves the Indian team right (all this losing and whipping ass) especially after all the trouble Ganguly went through in readying a team sans politics, san parochiasim Jai Hind
RE:captaincy
by anil babladi on Oct 13, 2007 12:56 PM
It was nice to See ganguly run out. He should be kicked on his back for taking that silly run. I sense he is doing this to get back his captaincy.
RE:captaincy
by Udayendu Lahiri on Oct 13, 2007 02:40 PM
You need a little education add intution and intelect to be a good cricket captain and not some gati trying to run the show. Ganguly has nothing to prove anymore. as for the 20-20 victory what will you have next just the toss. India will remain a silly billion strong of armchair sportsman. Go aussie Go..............
I think in ball game we are lacking talent , but if it is mind game let aussies ply Sharad powar, Niranjan Shah, Gavasker and other polititians involved in the board. I think Board should take the control of every thing like playing , administration, politics, finance and players should be left alone for sladging and modeling.
